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[jReese]

I personally don't see him as proven. I think many see it as he won that superbowl with  Tony Dungy's team...

Following 2 years were the telling story...he went 7-9..and then 5-11, went down hill from there.


Personally i just don't think looking at another team's leftovers is the answer. I always thought of going after guys like Gruden & Cowher as being kind of a desprete move. I'd rather have a young, energetic, HUNGRY coach. Gruden would leave us worse off than Reid.

[Bdawksrippinfacesoff]

He's fiery... Who cares if he's a good coach.

[bigbeak]

jReese, on 08 January 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

I personally don't see him as proven. I think many see it as he won that superbowl with  Tony Dungy's team...

Following 2 years were the telling story...he went 7-9..and then 5-11, went down hill from there.


Personally i just don't think looking at another team's leftovers is the answer. I always thought of going after guys like Gruden & Cowher as being kind of a desprete move. I'd rather have a young, energetic, HUNGRY coach. Gruden would leave us worse off than Reid.

Agree 100%, I'd rather have Andy back than Jon, to quote you "HUNGRY", McCoy or Bradley please.

[knapp_nick]

also... that raider team he built was playing gruden in the SB that year. that bucs team was old he got one last push out of all of them.. thats what a good coach does

[ryguy552]

Yeah because the other candidates out there really blow my socks off. If you have a chance to get Jon Gruden in this bare cupboard of coaches you go do it simple as that. He will crack the whip too which is needed for this group of divas. He would have been one of the first guys I contacted.

[axe_man_trotter]

He's better than who we have right now.. which is nobody.

[Mike P]

Superbowlzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[nottsfootballfan]

There is no hype, which is why no one has talked to him.

[pgcd3]

Yeah the young hungry coaches like Josh McDaniels & Raheem Morris always work out so well. You'd think this team won 20 championships the way some people are discounting a coach who actually won one.

[EagleVA]

axe_man_trotter, on 08 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

He's better than who we have right now.. which is nobody.

I'm not so sure about that, Gruden is a big nothing.

[axe_man_trotter]

EagleVA, on 08 January 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

I'm not so sure about that, Gruden is a big nothing.

Sure a super bowl winning coach is a big nothing

[Cappeeler]

Jon doesn't want his brother Jay to out shine him so he asked Jaws to throw his name out there in Philly. Sibling rivalry that simple.

[RPeeteRules]

He then went 11-5 in the third year after taking over the Bucs.

[Krukslonelyball]

What hype are you talking about? There is no hype for Jon Gruden. Why do people have to make up **** to fit their retarded agendas?

[knapp_nick]

i want gruden

[k9fiend]

Gruden is not a bad coach. Yes he took Dungys team to the SB. But he also helped build Raiders playoff teams, and went against Al on a lot of issues which is one of the reasons Davis traded him. People  seem to not want to give Gruden credit for helping build those Raiders teams. As for the Bucs...people like to bash Gruden for their failure after the SB win, but the fact of the matter is the Bucs FO had A LOT to do with that team's demise. A hell of a lot more than Jon. The one big knock on Gruden that he owns was his inability to find a decent Qb like he had in Gannon.

[pgcd3]

Didn't he outcoach Andy in a big game on the road, the NFCCG. Isn't someone who can outcoach another guy in the playoffs desirable?

If you ask me Tony Dungy is one of the most overrated coaches around. His self-righteous act wears thin.You could easily say he took Peyton's team to the SB.

[Iggles_Phan]

The issue with Jon Gruden, as silly as it might sound, is that he won a Super Bowl with the Bucs.  Name another coach that won a Super Bowl with 2 franchises.

[jReese]

ryguy552, on 08 January 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Yeah because the other candidates out there really blow my socks off. If you have a chance to get Jon Gruden in this bare cupboard of coaches you go do it simple as that. He will crack the whip too which is needed for this group of divas. He would have been one of the first guys I contacted.

agreed, we moved to slowly, but still...I'd take one of these youngs over a few more struggling years under gruden. I'm sorry i still say to hire Jon Gruden in Philly would be desperate

Bdawksrippinfacesoff, on 08 January 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

He's fiery... Who cares if he's a good coach.

move, another backfired desperate under roseman.

wow? don't care if he's a good coach? Nuff said

[ryguy552]

Iggles_Phan, on 08 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

The issue with Jon Gruden, as silly as it might sound, is that he won a Super Bowl with the Bucs.  Name another coach that won a Super Bowl with 2 franchises.

Maybe Chucky can buck that trend who knows. Unlike a lot of these other re-treads he is still a relatively young guy he's not a fossil, not even 50 yet so he probably still has a lot of energy and drive for the game. He would be my first choice personally if he became available.

[evilwaldo]

Guy talks like a TATEr on National TV.

[pgcd3]

Iggles_Phan, on 08 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

The issue with Jon Gruden, as silly as it might sound, is that he won a Super Bowl with the Bucs.  Name another coach that won a Super Bowl with 2 franchises.

Eventually someone will break that like every other first. But the fact is everything has to go right to win a SB so it is tough for a guy to repeat that. Wouldn't scare me off him though. As I said from a pure offensive knowledge standpoint he was considered a better mind than McCoy, Arians or his brother. Really who knows who would be the best coach for this team? It's impossible to say but I just find it strange that people are so adamant that he's worse than the others when in all likelihood IMO he's better

[ryguy552]

pgcd3, on 08 January 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Eventually someone will break that like every other first. But the fact is everything has to go right to win a SB so it is tough for a guy to repeat that. Wouldn't scare me off him though. As I said from a pure offensive knowledge standpoint he was considered a better mind than McCoy, Arians or his brother. Really who knows who would be the best coach for this team? It's impossible to say but I just find it strange that people are so adamant that he's worse than the others when in all likelihood IMO he's better

Agreed. No idea why they haven't at least reached out to him. Look how many re-treads as people like to say are having success even this year John Fox, Shannahan, Pete Carroll. It can definitely work.

[Iggles_Phan]

Well, lets put it this way, he's worked for Lurie before.  That might tell you something right there.  It might be a personality thing, or any number of other things that would probably never be leaked out.

[pgcd3]

Iggles_Phan, on 08 January 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

Well, lets put it this way, he's worked for Lurie before.  That might tell you something right there.  It might be a personality thing, or any number of other things that would probably never be leaked out.

All I've heard from Gruden's end is that he felt he had a very positive experience with Lurie and that one of the reasons the eagles are at or near the top of the list of teams he would coach for.

[Dirty 30 Sucks]

he won a SB, loves philadelphia.... oh wait he cant coach nvm.

[Iggles_Phan]

pgcd3, on 08 January 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

All I've heard from Gruden's end is that he felt he had a very positive experience with Lurie and that one of the reasons the eagles are at or near the top of the list of teams he would coach for.

Like I said... it might be something on the other end.  It might be that Lurie doesn't like his style - too much yelling, too much "Chucky".  I don't know, but its not like Lurie isn't familiar with Gruden.  Lurie was his employer for 3 years under Rhodes.  Hard to say... Gruden's act does grate on people, I think.  There's got to be a reason that he didn't have success in TB after the SB year - just like Ray's act ran thin too.

[whodi.]

I thought this was a very good post on this subject from the other Gruden thread.

http://boards.philad...0#entry17182122

[pgcd3]

Iggles_Phan, on 08 January 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Like I said... it might be something on the other end.  It might be that Lurie doesn't like his style - too much yelling, too much "Chucky".  I don't know, but its not like Lurie isn't familiar with Gruden.  Lurie was his employer for 3 years under Rhodes.  Hard to say... Gruden's act does grate on people, I think.  There's got to be a reason that he didn't have success in TB after the SB year - just like Ray's act ran thin too.

True things fell apart in Tampa. Not all his fault he wasn't GM but he had a piece in it. You have to consider whether a guy can learn from past experiences and improve is better than a guy who has no experience at head coach at all. Not saying there is a clear cut answer just not sure why people seem so enamored with unproven coaches

[SilverChaosVII]

Iggles_Phan, on 08 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

The issue with Jon Gruden, as silly as it might sound, is that he won a Super Bowl with the Bucs.  Name another coach that won a Super Bowl with 2 franchises.

If it wasn't for the tuck rule, Jon Gruden lol

Then again, if it wasn't for the tuck rule... Gruden would have stayed in Oakland and probably won back to back Super Bowls