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[EaglezINPhila]

I think the consensus around this team is that as fans we'd like to see someone like Joeckel, Moore, Warmack, or Mingo in the first round.  Beyond that I've also heard that trading down may  be a solid option to move into a lower position for Millner or Lewan.

What after that?  Who do the Eagles target in the second round in your opinion?

I personally like Barret Jones if he's still there.  Watching him last night was pretty phenomenal, and I think he's the kind of leader, and hard worker the O-line has been missing.

[downundermike]

Trading #4 to St. Louis for 16 and 22 and drafting Elam and Rhodes is picking up steam.

If the Eagles can pull this off, then I am fine with Jones in the second.

[ferrisbueller84]

downundermike, on 08 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Trading #4 to St. Louis for 16 and 22 and drafting Elam and Rhodes is picking up steam.

If the Eagles can pull this off, then I am fine with Jones in the second.

If St Louis wants to make that deal.  They have to want somebody very bad.

That idea sounds pretty familar for some reason

[downundermike]

ferrisbueller84, on 08 January 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

If St Louis wants to make that deal.  They have to want somebody very bad.

That idea sounds pretty familar for some reason

Hopefully they want Joeckel that bad.

I am fine if the Eagles draft Joeckel, but getting a corner and safety sounds like a better idea.

[ferrisbueller84]

downundermike, on 08 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

Hopefully they want Joeckel that bad.

I am fine if the Eagles draft Joeckel, but getting a corner and safety sounds like a better idea.

Joeckel very well could be the #1 pick of the draft.  Don't assume he's gonna make it to 4.  Geno Smith stupidly decided not to attend the Senior Bowl and he's already been far from a lock as worthy of the pick.  Joeckel and Star are the 2 premier, blue chip, seeminly can't miss prospects in the draft.  You almost have to assume they'll go 1 & 3 with the Jags taking a DE, considering they have a pretty decent interior DL.

[Golfesv]

Yea I want Joeckel bad but if we can trade our #4 for St.Louis #16&#22 which could equal Rhodes and Banks or Elam. You could go Lewan or Fisher and Rhodes or Elam that would be pretty hard to beat. Then in the second go after either Rhodes if available or Elam if available or take Jones or grab another CB or S...So many possiblities wow!

If we get GUS as HC I say we go the way of picking up CB and S if not I say you go Joeckel. Can you imagine what GUS would do with guys like Rhodes/Elam/Banks

[Marinomanx013]

If we can trade down with STL for their two first rounders, going Rhodes-Elam-Jones would be a really smart option. Especially if we feel like Elam would be gone by pick 35 and Rhodes would go in the top 20.

[downundermike]

Marinomanx013, on 08 January 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

If we can trade down with STL for their two first rounders, going Rhodes-Elam-Jones would be a really smart option. Especially if we feel like Elam would be gone by pick 35 and Rhodes would go in the top 20.

I actually think Elam goes before Rhodes.  Walter Football has mocked Rhodes to Philly in the second round.

If we went Joeckel and got Rhodes in the second I would be OK with it.

Then Rambo in the 3rd.

[ferrisbueller84]

downundermike, on 08 January 2013 - 06:34 PM, said:

I actually think Elam goes before Rhodes.  Walter Football has mocked Rhodes to Philly in the second round.

If we went Joeckel and got Rhodes in the second I would be OK with it.

Then Rambo in the 3rd.

I'd be very shocked if Rhodes last till our 2nd round pick...I hope he does though.

[downundermike]

I looked at walter footballs mock yesterday, and Rhodes was available after our second pick, for what its worth.

[time2rock]

EaglezINPhila, on 08 January 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

I think the consensus around this team is that as fans we'd like to see someone like Joeckel, Moore, Warmack, or Mingo in the first round.  Beyond that I've also heard that trading down may  be a solid option to move into a lower position for Millner or Lewan.

What after that?  Who do the Eagles target in the second round in your opinion?

I personally like Barret Jones if he's still there.  Watching him last night was pretty phenomenal, and I think he's the kind of leader, and hard worker the O-line has been missing.

Jones would be great if by chance he'd still be available.

Otherwise wouldn't mind if Elam was our pick.

Really hard to say without knowing how the board shakes out.  BPA.

[NWMontana]

Vaccaro, Kenny  SS    #35

[downundermike]

NWMontana, on 09 January 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Vaccaro, Kenny  SS #35

I liked him initially, but he plays kind of soft for his size.  Elam is way more aggressive.

[ferrisbueller84]

downundermike, on 09 January 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

I looked at walter footballs mock yesterday, and Rhodes was available after our second pick, for what its worth.

I've also seen a mock with Wilson and Nassib going in the top 10.

[WaitingForSomeday]

Poyer or Ryan, CBs. Floyd DT. Brown WIL.
Rodgers WR Nassib QB, etc.

[eaglepride]

NWMontana, on 09 January 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

Vaccaro, Kenny  SS #35

This is the guy I want them to take.

[downundermike]

eaglepride, on 10 January 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

This is the guy I want them to take.

Initially he was the guy I liked, but he doesnt play as big as he is.....runs around contact to much.

[matt01]

Another scenario: I could see us trading down with the JETS (our pick at 4) for their 1st and 2nd the (9th and 40th). With the 4th overall, the Jets leapfrog Arizona and get their QB while the Eagles get MILLINER and a safety & offensive player (TE, WR , OL) in round 2. I believe ANDY will take Joeckel at #1.

[pittpanther1]

downundermike, on 08 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Trading #4 to St. Louis for 16 and 22 and drafting Elam and Rhodes is picking up steam.

If the Eagles can pull this off, then I am fine with Jones in the second.

This draft isn't great at the top, but it has great depth at several positions. The Rams would be stupid to move up that far, seeing how their top needs appear to be S, OLB and WR. It sounds great in theory, but I doubt Jeff Fisher would pull the trigger on that one. Now if they were running a 3-4, I could see them grabbing a Jarvis Jones...but I don't know if his coverage and point of attack take on skills warrant a pick that high for a 4-3 OLB

[pittpanther1]

Personally, I like the following five 2nd round targets:

Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State (late second round)
Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (guy just makes plays)
Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama (after the title game, how do you not love this guy???)

[philly75]

Can't see Joeckel there at #4...wouldn't be surprised KC takes him #1...you know Andy.
With that said I'd be in favor of trading down if we have the chance...get some picks and instantly upgrade our secondary.

[MCoster]

My three guys i liked a few weeks ago who have slowly moved up boards are CB Xavier Rhodes, S Matt Elam, and WR Cordarelle Patterson. If one fell to 35, I'd take them.

Here's 35 players that are consensus. If not one of those 3, just give me the best player available still on this board (although 30-35 aren't that appealing, Jordan Pryor, Dallas Thomas, and Eric Reid are three others right after that we could look at).

1.   OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M
2.    DT Star Lotulelei, Utah
3.    DE Bjoern Werner, FSU
4.    LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia
5.    DE Demontre Moore, Texas A&M
6.    CB Dee Millliner, Alabama
7.    QB Geno Smith, WVU
8.    DT Jonathan Hankins, Ohio St.
9.    DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri
10.   LB Manti Teo, Notre Dame
11.   OG Chance Warmack, Alabama
12.   DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU
13.   OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
14.   CB Jonathan Banks,  Miss St.
15.   DE Dion Jordan, Oregon
16.   LB Kevin Minter, LSU
17.   G Jonathan Cooper, UNC
18.   WR Keenan Allen, Cal
19.   DE Sam Montgomery, LSU
20.   LB Alec Ogletree, Georgia
21.   DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU
22.   DT John Jenkins, Georgia
23.   TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
24.   S Matt Elam, Florida
25.   CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida St.
26.   C Barrett Jones, Alabama
27.   WR Cordarelle Patterson, Tennessee
28.   S Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
29.   DE Alex Okafor, Texas
30.   RB Giovani Bernard, UNC
31.   DT Sylvester Williams, UNC
32.   WR Justin Hunter, Tennessee
33.   WR Tavon Austin, WVU
34.   WR Terrence Williams, Baylor
35.   DT Jesse Williams, Alabama

[Pegger]

FS/SS Phillip Thomas - Fresno State - 6'1, 215lb that lead the NCAA in interceptions. When you watch him play he constantly gets dirty between the tackles wrapping up the runningback. He's a good tackler that takes good angles. A lot of the safeties this year have little to no range. They have decent ball skills, but can't adjust the few yards to both sides and still make a play on the ball. Anyway, to me he's the best safety of this year's class. The Eastern bias and small school will force him under the radar, but my guess is someone like Mayock will have him around the top of his list and he'll generate a lot of buzz.

[downundermike]

Pegger, on 15 January 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

FS/SS Phillip Thomas - Fresno State - 6'1, 215lb that lead the NCAA in interceptions. When you watch him play he constantly gets dirty between the tackles wrapping up the runningback. He's a good tackler that takes good angles. A lot of the safeties this year have little to no range. They have decent ball skills, but can't adjust the few yards to both sides and still make a play on the ball. Anyway, to me he's the best safety of this year's class. The Eastern bias and small school will force him under the radar, but my guess is someone like Mayock will have him around the top of his list and he'll generate a lot of buzz.

I don't think he is worth our second round pick, but will not be there early in the 3rd.  I do like the kid though, maybe through a trade, we can get back into the middle to end of the second......

[Pegger]

pittpanther1, on 13 January 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

Personally, I like the following five 2nd round targets:

Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State (late second round)
Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers (guy just makes plays)
Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama (after the title game, how do you not love this guy???)

I like this list. I'm not big no Long as I think he's a 2nd rounder based on the tackle group being thin, not his pure talent.

downundermike, on 15 January 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

I don't think he is worth our second round pick, but will not be there early in the 3rd.  I do like the kid though, maybe through a trade, we can get back into the middle to end of the second......

Is it a reach? Yes. Will he be around later? No. To me I'd rather draft the player you want a bit early then be forced to take your #2 or #3 guy in a area of need. I seriously think he's the best safety in the entire draft. Looking how our safeties have played it just makes sense.

[downundermike]

Pegger, on 15 January 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

I like this list. I'm not big no Long as I think he's a 2nd rounder based on the tackle group being thin, not his pure talent.

Is it a reach? Yes. Will he be around later? No. To me I'd rather draft the player you want a bit early then be forced to take your #2 or #3 guy in a area of need. I seriously think he's the best safety in the entire draft. Looking how our safeties have played it just makes sense.

As you see in my sig line, I am double dipping at safety in my mock draft.  I just could not find a scenario to get Thomas in there.

Maybe we sign Bowe, move Maclin for a second and use that pick to get Thomas.

[Pegger]

downundermike, on 15 January 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

As you see in my sig line, I am double dipping at safety in my mock draft.  I just could not find a scenario to get Thomas in there.

Maybe we sign Bowe, move Maclin for a second and use that pick to get Thomas.

I'm not keen on having two rookie safeties. I'd rather them grab one vet like a William Moore or Louis Delmas in free agency then address another spot in the draft and make it a competition with Allen.

I know Seattle went with two rookie safeties, but there's no one in this draft with the updside of Thomas. Also Chancellor somewhat came from no where to be a legit NFL safety. For this year we can't count on either of those things happening.

If that trade happened I'd be looking a tsomething like:

1 -16 - G Chance Warmack - Best Guard in the Draft
1 - 24 - CB Xavier Rhodes - He'd probably start from day 1.
2 - 35 - FS/SS Phillip Thomas - I've already let my thoughts be known
3 - 67 - CB Desmond Trufant - Depth player, but he'll be given a shot to compete and beat out Rhodes if he can.
4 - TBD (Comp picks awareded) - TE - Travis Kelce/Dion Simms - I'd prefer Simms, but Kelce will do. Either way I"m looking for someone to be a blocker first, pass catcher second.

[MCoster]

What comp picks do you plan on getting lol

[christsmith99]

Pegger, on 15 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

I'm not keen on having two rookie safeties. I'd rather them grab one vet like a William Moore or Louis Delmas in free agency then address another spot in the draft and make it a competition with Allen.

I know Seattle went with two rookie safeties, but there's no one in this draft with the updside of Thomas. Also Chancellor somewhat came from no where to be a legit NFL safety. For this year we can't count on either of those things happening.

If that trade happened I'd be looking a tsomething like:

1 -16 - G Chance Warmack - Best Guard in the Draft
1 - 24 - CB Xavier Rhodes - He'd probably start from day 1.
2 - 35 - FS/SS Phillip Thomas - I've already let my thoughts be known
3 - 67 - CB Desmond Trufant - Depth player, but he'll be given a shot to compete and beat out Rhodes if he can.
4 - TBD (Comp picks awareded) - TE - Travis Kelce/Dion Simms - I'd prefer Simms, but Kelce will do. Either way I"m looking for someone to be a blocker first, pass catcher second.

Warmack is a beast

[Pegger]

MCoster, on 16 January 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

What comp picks do you plan on getting lol

comp picks to other teams will mess the exact number, so I mentioned it.