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[matchew88]

http://www.nfl.com/n...ng-an-nfl-coach


The Cleveland Browns' search for a head coach is a mess. So is the Philadelphia Eagles'.
Both teams swung hard and fast at Chip Kelly, putting a full-court press on the Oregon coach over the weekend. By Friday afternoon and into Saturday, Kelly was telling those close to him (and the Cleveland brass) that he was nearing a decision, and that he wanted to coach the Browns. On Sunday, he turned his attention to the Eagles.
By late Sunday, the Browns and Eagles were setting their sights elsewhere, because Kelly decided to stay at Oregon.




Meanwhile, the search conducted by the previously woeful Kansas City Chiefscould not have gone closer to their plan. They targeted Andy Reid and never let him escape, handing him full power and escorting former general manager Scott Pioli out the door. And the Buffalo Billspulled the ultimate okey-doke, convincing former Syracuse coach Doug Marrone -- whom the Browns had privately viewed as one of their top choices -- to sign on the dotted line.
Doom in Cleveland. Not so sunny in Philadelphia. Hope in Kansas City. Bright lights in Buffalo.
Right?
The truth is, no one knows. I don't. You don't. No one does.
Does conducting a smooth head-coaching search make a team a winner? Does a long, ugly, trying, exasperating search lead to years and years of losses upon losses?
History shows that the actual process of finding a head coach -- whether a team hires its top candidate or its sixth choice -- doesn't have much bearing on future success. It's not a predictor.
One of the ugliest and most drawn-out searches in recent years brought Bill Belichick to the New England Patriots in 2000. That turned out OK. The University of Alabama spent 38 days searching for a coach to replace Mike Shula after the 2006 season, whiffing on Rich Rodriguez along the way. The Crimson Tide ended up with Nick Saban, and that turned out OK, too. It's also safe to say that USC was eventually pleased with its fourth or fifth choice in 2001: Pete Carroll.

On the other hand, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers didn't hire Jon Gruden until Feb. 18, 2002 after a legal battle, and they ended up winning the Super Bowl the following season. Oh, and the Pittsburgh Steelers waited until Jan. 23, 2007 to hireMike Tomlin after an interview that some dismissed as merely fulfilling the new Rooney Rule requirement. Tomlin was soon coaching in the Super Bowl.Meanwhile, the Washington Redskins were more than thrilled in 2002 after taking just one day to fire Marty Schottenheimer and hire Steve Spurrier. We know how that disappointment turned out.
The moral? No one knows.
They say the world hates to see the sausage being made. Yet with Twitter, the 24-hour news cycle and the unprecedented intensity of the reporting being done, we see it all. Teams swing and miss, and we take note. A lunch meeting turns into a nine-hour marathon session, and we live-tweet what the participants ate. We report along with the process, and the story can often shift. We note when a team requests an interview with a candidate, when it actually happens and what happens next.
We live these coaching searches. So do fans. But in the end, no one knows what fits and what doesn't.
Would Kelly have been the next Spurrier? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Have the Bills vastly overestimated Marrone, or have we underestimated him because he restored Syracuse to respectability rather than dominating at Texas or Penn State?

There's the rub. What fits for one doesn't fit for another. A prime candidate can exist only in the eye of the beholder. Does the search reflect the quality of the candidate?Reid just suffered through a miserable two years with the Eagles, while Chiefs fans battled through two brutal years themselves. And yet, all Kansas City did was hand Reid full control, offering him the chance to recreate his winning history. Will Reid succeed, or will we see a replay of the end of his tenure in Philly?
I'm not sure. Neither are you. We won't find out until next September, and then the next September after that.
There's only one thing to do until these coaching searches are over: Breathe and wait.

[fth27]

Good article. Thanks.

[MR-CYN]

In other news, the longer it takes the Eagles to find a coach the better Marty Morningwood thinks his chances are...

[SinCityEaglesFan]

exactly

i really dont care who we get, i just want the right guy to fix this team long-term

[skipsharp]

Lurie pretty much said last Monday that this will take a while.

[TenaciousEagles]

MR-CYN, on 08 January 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

In other news, the longer it takes the Eagles to find a coach the better Marty Morningwood thinks his chances are...

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

[baldawgbites]

TenaciousEagles, on 08 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

So you talk to Howie regularly?


I'm not going to say that I know for certain who the best Guy is or isn't... I believe that Mike McCoy will be a great head coach for the personell here, I also like Lovie Smith and Gus Bradley... my Dark Horse would be Ken Whisenhunt... but until the guy is hired and we see what he does for a couple of seasons we have nothing Solid.

[jxhend4]

TenaciousEagles, on 08 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

There's not a candidate out there that will take the job knowing an OC is being forced on him.  Makes absolutely no sense.

[Runtherock]

I agree with the point of this article. Technically Reid has not been given full power, however. He is only the head coach there, and both he and the GM report directly to the owner. Now its likely Reid knifed his "very good friend" Scott Pioli in the back and engineered his firing, and its likely one of his boys will be brought in as the new GM, but technically he has not been given full power.

[TenaciousEagles]

jxhend4, on 08 January 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

There's not a candidate out there that will take the job knowing an OC is being forced on him.  Makes absolutely no sense.

Considering that no other team wants anything to do with Bradley, you better believe he can be "talked into" having Marty as his OC if that means he gets a job.

[AceofSpades]

TenaciousEagles, on 08 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

Based on what? No HC will take a job knowing he'll be forced to inherit coordinators who run a system other than what he may want.

[Dudeguyy]

NO F***ING WAY Marty is back as OC next year. If he is I will eat my hat.

[Flyin' Brian]

TenaciousEagles, on 08 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

And you know this how?

[phillygrump]

TenaciousEagles, on 08 January 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I hope you realize if Lovie Smith or Gus Bradley gets hired then the Eagles are keeping Marty as OC.  Roseman loves Marty as an OC.  Roseman actually thinks that Marty would be a good selection for HC but he knows that the city would lose their minds if they hired him.  It would be a meltdown of epic proportions.

This is insanity. Gus or Lovie would make that decision. Marty was a HUGE part of the problem. He won't be staying.

[bobbywizdum]

marty and luvie would be a great combination. Marty gets way too much blame imo.

This is his resume since officially becoming our offensive coordinator in scoring offense

2006: 6th
2007-17th
2008-6th
2009-5th
2010-3rd
2011-8th
2012-29th.

what you will notice is that marty's offense has been top ten in the league 5 out of 7 years and top 5 twice. Considering foles has been developing in marty's system....what would be the harm in keeping marty as o.c at least for a year?

[TV Guy]

This is an excellent perspective.  AR was the coach so long, that most TATERs haven't ever been through this process.

[NWMontana]

Lovie hired Friday....Book it

[Gregg]

NWMontana, on 09 January 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

Lovie hired Friday....Book it

No problem with that at all.  In fact, every other candidate is more of an unknown that him, IMO.

[forevereagles]

baldawgbites, on 08 January 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

So you talk to Howie regularly?


I'm not going to say that I know for certain who the best Guy is or isn't... I believe that Mike McCoy will be a great head coach for the personell here, I also like Lovie Smith and Gus Bradley... my Dark Horse would be Ken Whisenhunt... but until the guy is hired and we see what he does for a couple of seasons we have nothing Solid.

Until you mentioned Ken Whisenhunt you had me listening . Have you seen his teams performances over the last three seasons? He is worse than Reid. Another coach who doesn't utilize the talent to get the maximum  value  out of them.  Another who believes in his system,  and does not alter it for anyone or any reason. Thanks, but no thanks.  

We all have our preferences as to who we want the new coach to be.  But none of us are in a position to know for a certainty that the new coach would keep Marty Mornhenweg as the OC. Most coaches have their own people they  want to bring with them. Rarely do they keep the previous staff. Thats not to say it can't or won't happen, just that it is rare that it does.

[Ipspots]

Well back in the day when Ryan, Kotite and Rhodes were hired, that was all before the interenet was a huge resource of Info. We got our info from the News and the Paper and back then ESPN.... there was no twitter, no PFT, no immediate info on coaching interviews....

Andy Reid was hired in 1998.....  still wasn't as much info availible as today.


the article sites examples for the argument given, we can go back and list examples that would go against what the article pionts out as well.

Only time will tell.


For me, it will take a HC and his staff to all be very good or we will not succeed.

I say Offensive minded HC and bring in a rockstar DC....  (dont know who that is at this moment)