148 replies to this topic

[AllPhillyFan]

He wasn't a guy who worked for espn, he wasn't even in studio but whatever

[Vick 2 JMac]

Even if RG3's mobility is reduced to Manning/Brady's I still think he would have a successful career just because his arm is so strong and he's very accurate.

[HarborTheClay]

Either way, whether RG3 is ever the same qb, i'm glad we're done with these scrambling quarterbacks with our team. Just tired of them, same thing every year, injuries and inconsistent play. Exciting for a short time, but never longterm effective. Cunningham/McNabb/Vick... Give me Manning/Brady/Brees please, please god...

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 12 January 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Either way, whether RG3 is ever the same qb, i'm glad we're done with these scrambling quarterbacks with our team. Just tired of them, same thing every year, injuries and inconsistent play. Exciting for a short time, but never longterm effective. Cunningham/McNabb/Vick... Give me Manning/Brady/Brees please, please god...

Without mcnabb will you have the history you have recently? You should appreciate mcnabb everyday ...think about it what if you ended up with a qb like tony romo

[Innocence096]

Pastor Troy, on 11 January 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Yea thats why it took them until 7 mins left in the 4th qtr to take the lead ......the redskins couldnt move the ball cuz rg3 was hobbled...yea they destroy the redskins alright......too many funny clowns in here

speculation, all speculation.

[kmass88]

Pastor Troy, on 12 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

yea because espn doctors are the ones doing the surgery.....or are the ones evaluating rg3.....

Deangelo Hall said quote: "It will be a miracle if RG3 is avialable at the start or early in the season"

The End.

[CountBlah]

kmass88, on 12 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Deangelo Hall said quote: "It will be a miracle if RG3 is avialable at the start or early in the season"

The End.

Duh,  obviously Deangelo Hall is a skins hater.

[cmart102]

Pastor Troy, on 11 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

If its crappy what would you call afc west lol....3 of the 4 teams had a chance to make the playoffs until the final day

A terrrrible divison with one good team. And the only reason the teams had a chance to make the playoffs was because they all sucked and someone had to.

When comparing divisons you have to look at how they play against out of division teams, and for a while the NFCeast has been bad at it

[mike030270]

http://www.nfl.com/n...about-rg3s-knee

[f_dallas]

Vick 2 JMac, on 12 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Even if RG3's mobility is reduced to Manning/Brady's I still think he would have a successful career just because his arm is so strong and he's very accurate.

Like Daunte Culpepper and Steve McNair

[IggleWalt]

Vick 2 JMac, on 12 January 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Even if RG3's mobility is reduced to Manning/Brady's I still think he would have a successful career just because his arm is so strong and he's very accurate.

Take away his legs and his career will be over a lot quicker. He will become a sitting duck and teams will start teeing off on him. Part of the reason why he is so good right now are his legs. Take away that part and the rest will suffer.

[f_dallas]

IggleWalt, on 13 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Take away his legs and his career will be over a lot quicker. He will become a sitting duck and teams will start teeing off on him. Part of the reason why he is so good right now are his legs. Take away that part and the rest will suffer.

I'm shocked by how difficult this concept seems to be for some people.  BG0 may, in fact, transition to some kind of pocket passer and enjoy a second career as a pocket QB, but it would be almost unprecedented.  Transitioning from an option QB to a pocket QB is about more than arm strength and accuracy...it's learning how to play the game in a completely different way, seeing defenses you've never seen before, and fighting your natural instincts that have been committed to muscle memory over the last 15 years.

[D-Shiznit]

mike030270, on 13 January 2013 - 02:06 AM, said:

http://www.nfl.com/n...about-rg3s-knee

RGKnee will not be in the league atfer 4-5 years, Bo Jackson all over again.

[sevenup3000]

f_dallas, on 13 January 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

I'm shocked by how difficult this concept seems to be for some people.  BG0 may, in fact, transition to some kind of pocket passer and enjoy a second career as a pocket QB, but it would be almost unprecedented.  Transitioning from an option QB to a pocket QB is about more than arm strength and accuracy...it's learning how to play the game in a completely different way, seeing defenses you've never seen before, and fighting your natural instincts that have been committed to muscle memory over the last 15 years.

Didn't RGIII twice light up the Eagles from the pocket, including the one of the hardest throw for a td in the last meeting?

[kmass88]

sevenup3000, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Didn't RGIII twice light up the Eagles from the pocket, including the one of the hardest throw for a td in the last meeting?

Who didn't light the Eagles defense up this year?

[Innocence096]

kmass88, on 12 January 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Deangelo Hall said quote: "It will be a miracle if RG3 is avialable at the start or early in the season"

The End.

while Hall might be his teammate, he is also one of the bigger morons in the NFL.

[cmart102]

sevenup3000, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Didn't RGIII twice light up the Eagles from the pocket, including the one of the hardest throw for a td in the last meeting?

It's the eagles dude...

Innocence096, on 14 January 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

while Hall might be his teammate, he is also one of the bigger morons in the NFL.

Very true

[f_dallas]

sevenup3000, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Didn't RGIII twice light up the Eagles from the pocket, including the one of the hardest throw for a td in the last meeting?

1. The Eagles were terrible.

2. You don't understand what I'm saying or what's involved in transitioning from a running QB to a traditional QB (hint: it's more complicated than you think and I've already explained some of the reasons why).

[CountBlah]

sevenup3000, on 13 January 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Didn't RGIII twice light up the Eagles from the pocket, including the one of the hardest throw for a td in the last meeting?

The Eagles stunk this year.  Also, in the second meeting, with a gimpy leg, Shannirat had him running early to put the running fear into the defense.  Take the running aspect away, and he might not be as great as skins fan seem to think.  Could he be great as just a pocket passer?  Sure.   Is it a given?  Not really.

[HarborTheClay]

Pastor Troy, on 12 January 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Without mcnabb will you have the history you have recently? You should appreciate mcnabb everyday ...think about it what if you ended up with a qb like tony romo

I appreciated the defenses we had through the McNabb era. He couldn't win the big one with that defense.

I appreciate McNabb for his time here, just as I appreciated Cunningham. Vick just made it painly obvious and cemented what we really already knew....we were never going to win a super bowl with these types of QBs.

[Pastor Troy]

HarborTheClay, on 14 January 2013 - 10:47 AM, said:

I appreciated the defenses we had through the McNabb era. He couldn't win the big one with that defense.

I appreciate McNabb for his time here, just as I appreciated Cunningham. Vick just made it painly obvious and cemented what we really already knew....we were never going to win a super bowl with these types of QBs.

How many superbowls have you won without these types of QBs?

[Pastor Troy]

f_dallas, on 14 January 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

1. The Eagles were terrible.

2. You don't understand what I'm saying or what's involved in transitioning from a running QB to a traditional QB (hint: it's more complicated than you think and I've already explained some of the reasons why).

Tell that to colin kaepernick lol.....if jim harbough wanted a pocket passer he would have gone with alex smith.....people like you still dwell on the vick's and mcnabbs and cunningham that you had playing for you....so you think u are some kind of expert in dual threat QBs.. ....the qb position is changing....these new breeds of qb are what we envisioned vick doing but never lived up to the billing.....

Funny how you mentioned the eagles were terrible when it comes to RG3....but you never say the same about andrew luck and the teams he played against and put up horrible numbers on this season lol.....i really find that amusing

[Pegger]

Pastor Troy, on 15 January 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Tell that to colin kaepernick lol.....if jim harbough wanted a pocket passer he would have gone with alex smith.....people like you still dwell on the vick's and mcnabbs and cunningham that you had playing for you....so you think u are some kind of expert in dual threat QBs.. ....the qb position is changing....these new breeds of qb are what we envisioned vick doing but never lived up to the billing.....

Funny how you mentioned the eagles were terrible when it comes to RG3....but you never say the same about andrew luck and the teams he played against and put up horrible numbers on this season lol.....i really find that amusing

The QB position is evolving into this new 'bone-on-bone in knee' version who can never play an entire season...

[Pastor Troy]

Pegger, on 15 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The QB position is evolving into this new 'bone-on-bone in knee' version who can never play an entire season...

Because of a freak accident?....How come that didnt happen to cam newton? Russell wilson? Colin kaepernick? Why are u still focus on rg3?

[mike030270]

I'd take Brady over RG3/Colin/Wilson and all the others. Just saying

[IHateDemCowboys]

Pastor Troy, on 15 January 2013 - 06:26 PM, said:

Because of a freak accident?

Did he get mauled by a polar bear and grizzly bear on the same day or get injured while attempting to slide too late?

"Freak accident" is exaggerating, don't you think?

[LaxPlayerX3]

I don't know how you guys can even bother arguing with a person who sucks at English and uses "lol" and roll faces in every single single one of his posts. You can't argue with someone this f'ing dense.

He's probably sitting at his computer with a **** eating grin on his face whenever he replies thinking "these guys are so dumb, I'm gonna post this," thinking he's smarter than everyone. It's kinda funny.

Maybe if you stop responding to the stuff he spews out he'll leave.

[f_dallas]

Pegger, on 15 January 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The QB position is evolving into this new 'bone-on-bone in knee' version who can never play an entire season...

[f_dallas]

Excerpt from 2003 article after Vick- at 22 years old- became the first visiting QB to ever beat the Packers on the Frozen Tundra:

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It's not just the raw speed, though. It's that uncanny elusiveness that separates Vick from other NFL quarterbacks, past, present and, presumably, future. Vick is better than Tiger Woods at escaping traps. He's the Roadrunner and every opposing defensive player is Wyle E. Coyote. Not even the supernatural, the ghosts of Lambeau, could catch him Saturday night. Not even the KGB -- Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila -- could apprehend him.

Vick is the man for all seasons. One minute, he's Dan Marino, the classic quick-release pocket passer. The next minute, he's Fran Tarkenton making it up as he goes along. The next minute, he's Bo Jackson barreling around the corner, too fast for the front seven to catch, too strong for the secondary to tackle. Nobody -- not Elway, not McNabb, not Steve Young -- has ever had that kind of package.

In the same article, some eerie foresight.

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Who's to say, at 32, he'll be any better than he is at 22? Or whether he'll even be around, for that matter. Frankly, there are more than a few reasons to think he won't be.

They call them hits, but we all know better. They're actually collisions -- violent, potentially bone-crushing, mind-altering confrontations with fate. With every hit he absorbs, every slide he disdains, you wonder about Vick's future. You wonder, with everything else God gave him, whether He drew the line at durability.

Yet, nearly 10 years and countless injuries later, many Eagles fans were still convinced his ever-mounting injuries were "freak accidents" and he was about to take the leap to pocket passer who uses his legs efficiently, rather than leaning on them to get through games.

Make no mistake, RG3 isn't the first QB to run around a lot and promise to "revolutionize the game".  Most of the other ones make it past their first season before they tear their second ACL, but you get the point.  It's a tough transition.