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[PhillySmoke]

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

[whodi.]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

I don't know that I've ever seen a hybrid defense like that. Maybe I'm ignorant though.

I'd rather just stick with the 4-3. Plenty of recent Super Bowl winners ran a 4-3 so it's not like it can't be done. Switching to a 3-4 or hybrid would take a while.

[time2rock]

Also similar to what Bradley uses in Seattle.  hmmmmm

[cmart102]

whodi., on 11 January 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I don't know that I've ever seen a hybrid defense like that. Maybe I'm ignorant though.

Um Baltimore? Hell Seattle, Houston, and GB all run hybrid fronts too

[Machine]

Hybrid Defense, Multiple Front is directly out of Madden. Good job.

[XT.]

If this were madden, I'd run a 4-6 every day.

[SBorBust]

Machine, on 11 January 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Hybrid Defense, Multiple Front is directly out of Madden. Good job.

Dime, 4-3 and Nickle defenses are also found on Madden.  It doesn't mean that the video game invented the 4-3.

[dmor]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

Isn't Seattle doing something similar to that?

[deevo82]

cmart102, on 11 January 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Um Baltimore? Hell Seattle, Houston, and GB all run hybrid fronts too

I think Denver run something similar with Von Miller at the joker position.

[Blitz24]

Hybrid Defense

[PhillySmoke]

not sure why you're referencing madden, I'm talking about the Philadelphia eagles defense. and a lot of teams are starting to run it because it works. you do realize the base defenses in madden are real nfl defenses right? that said, let's actually talk about the hybrid defense and leave the madden talk in the gamers forum

[PhillyBirds5_36_86]

Kiffin won't be running it. He's the new DC for Dallarse

[AceofSpades]

If executed the right way, the hybrid multiple front defense can work. It's obvious you'd need to bring in some personnel that can work within the 3-4. Fore years they talked about how they wanted to keep the opposing team guessing, that's a good way to do it. Being able to go from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and vice versa. I look at a team like New England that can do it with no problem. People talk about how it'd take a while and you can't win doing it that way. Yes teams play a base defense but honestly how many snaps per game do they spend in that base defense? You see a lot of teams start out in the nickel or dime or give a variation to a base package. If it's done right with the right players it can truly be a successful defense.

[Matt101292]

This is a possibility is Bradley is the guy and a guy like jarvis jones would be more appealing, trhew question is would cox play DE like Red Bryant in Seattle i dont think graham is suited to play standing up nor cole a complete switch makes more snse IMO

[iggle_nj]

If Gus Bradley is hired as HC, you will see the hybrid defense.

[PhillySmoke]

AceofSpades, on 11 January 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

If executed the right way, the hybrid multiple front defense can work. It's obvious you'd need to bring in some personnel that can work within the 3-4. Fore years they talked about how they wanted to keep the opposing team guessing, that's a good way to do it. Being able to go from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and vice versa. I look at a team like New England that can do it with no problem. People talk about how it'd take a while and you can't win doing it that way. Yes teams play a base defense but honestly how many snaps per game do they spend in that base defense? You see a lot of teams start out in the nickel or dime or give a variation to a base package. If it's done right with the right players it can truly be a successful defense.

wow an actual good response in Tate. thanks for bringing something to the discussion. teams like new England actually draft players that can play football rather than limiting themselves to guys that "fit their scheme". they just draft guys and find a place for them rather than hoping they'll do well in a certain front. they get guys that can play multiple positions and are constantly changing their look defensively. hopefully the next coach won't pull the bs Reid/roseman pulled drafting "fastballs" instead of guys with size and talent and using them to their strengths.

[AceofSpades]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

wow an actual good response in Tate. thanks for bringing something to the discussion. teams like new England actually draft players that can play football rather than limiting themselves to guys that "fit their scheme". they just draft guys and find a place for them rather than hoping they'll do well in a certain front. they get guys that can play multiple positions and are constantly changing their look defensively. hopefully the next coach won't pull the bs Reid/roseman pulled drafting "fastballs" instead of guys with size and talent and using them to their strengths.

That's why they'd been so good and consistent over the last few years. That's why good teams are good teams, great teams are great teams, and we see what we've seen over the last few years. You have to be able to get football players and be able to coach them up. If you get good players, you can find a spot for them. Teams can't be married to a specific scheme and that point you made strengthens the case for drafting the absolute best player available. You can't force a scheme on players. You have to be able to adjust and coach to a player's strengths and put them in position to make plays for your football team.

The other reason you've seen Baltimore & New England sustain success is that they believe in the next man up philosophy and actually use it. If somebody goes down, so what, next guy up get in there and do the job. They bring these players up so they can step right in and the team wouldn't miss a beat. It doesn't always work out that way, but that's the philosophy they use. The Eagles made it seem like they used that philosophy but it was more, whoever steps in they'll be fine regardless. The true next man up philosophy has to be able to do the job and do it as well as the starter if not better and you keep rolling. Reid got arrogant with some moves and acted like no adjustments needed to be made.

[SilverChaosVII]

Welcome,

I would like to extend you an invitation to the Gus Bus.

Here, we support the badass coordinator in Seattle that runs a hybrid 4-3 defense.

[Machine]

SBorBust, on 11 January 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Dime, 4-3 and Nickle defenses are also found on Madden.  It doesn't mean that the video game invented the 4-3.

lol

[FloridaBill]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

Won't work until the rest of the NFL plays Smurf football like the Eagles.

[SilverChaosVII]

FloridaBill, on 11 January 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

Won't work until the rest of the NFL plays Smurf football like the Eagles. Andy Reid

That's on the coach. Bradley, for example, prefers players with size. Look at his cornerbacks for a great example.

[hextall4prez]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

people are retards, for the hundreth time, WE DONT HAVE THE TYPE OF PLAYER PERSONNEL FOR A 3-4....  the 4-3 is a better defense anyways., i dont get why people dont understand that we would have to cut like half our defense if we switched. u gonna run trent cole as an OLB? LOL.. not to mention the reason we brought demeco in was to anchor the middle and houston got rid of him because he isnt effective in the 3-4.

[Matt101292]

Ryans wasnt ineffective in a 3-4 he just was a 2 down LB there since Cushing was the other ilb and is awesome in the p[a** game

[PhillySmoke]

hextall4prez, on 11 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

people are retards, for the hundreth time, WE DONT HAVE THE TYPE OF PLAYER PERSONNEL FOR A 3-4....  the 4-3 is a better defense anyways., i dont get why people dont understand that we would have to cut like half our defense if we switched. u gonna run trent cole as an OLB? LOL.. not to mention the reason we brought demeco in was to anchor the middle and houston got rid of him because he isnt effective in the 3-4.

I didn't say run a 3-4 base, I said a multiple front w multiple subs based on the offensive look.  if you read my op, I said we were a nose tackle and a rush olb away from being able to run it. I never said line Trent up at olb, that would be stupid. but let's face facts, Trent might not be an every down end anymore. his decline is obvious. he could could come off the field when we show a 3-4 look. it would be Jenkins, nose tackle acquired through fa or draft, and cox on the dline. Ryan's, Kendricks inside, and the rush olb and maybe curry or someone else as the other rush olb. it could work and will work w the right moves and the right coaching. I realize our secondary isn't built to play a 3-4, but that's where the dc comes in. making adjustments to personal and scheme as they see fit.

[evilwaldo]

PhillySmoke, on 11 January 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

a lot of posters have been saying they want to switch to a 3-4. to that i say why limit your team to one look and completely change the personel to make the switch? i think this defense would benefit from a hybrid defense. running a multiple front similar to what the ravens have been running in years past is the future. the more different looks you can show the more confusing it will be to opposing offenses. we're one nose tackle and one rush linebacker away from being able to run it. thoughts?

Put down Madden.

[54lance]

The concer I'd have with any for of a 3-4 is it would require finding 3 LB and probably a NT unles Jenkins could step up his game.  Maybe Kendricks could adapt to some form of a 3-4 but who else do you put at LB besids Ryans?  I think we have huge problems at the back end of teh defense; we need 2 safeties and at least 1 CB.  I don't think we need to creat more holes by changing schemes until we get some decent personnel in place in the secondary.

[The Eagles win!]

whodi., on 11 January 2013 - 01:36 PM, said:

I don't know that I've ever seen a hybrid defense like that. Maybe I'm ignorant though.

I'd rather just stick with the 4-3. Plenty of recent Super Bowl winners ran a 4-3 so it's not like it can't be done. Switching to a 3-4 or hybrid would take a while.

Here is a GREAT article on what a hybrid defense looks like:

http://www.grantland...atriots-defense

Basically, you play one gap on one side of the field and two gap on the other side.  It's all predicated on having a NT who can really set the tone.

[The Eagles win!]

hextall4prez, on 11 January 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

people are retards, for the hundreth time, WE DONT HAVE THE TYPE OF PLAYER PERSONNEL FOR A 3-4....  the 4-3 is a better defense anyways., i dont get why people dont understand that we would have to cut like half our defense if we switched. u gonna run trent cole as an OLB? LOL.. not to mention the reason we brought demeco in was to anchor the middle and houston got rid of him because he isnt effective in the 3-4.

We have some of the players... Cox would be a fantastic 3-4 DE, Jenkins was a great 3-4 DE in Green Bay.  Kendricks would be a great 3-4 MLB.  Graham would be a good OLB.

The biggest problems would be if Cole could play OLB and if Ryans can handle MLB... and, of course, finding a legit NT.

[KillerBirds11]

The Eagles win!, on 11 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

We have some of the players... Cox would be a fantastic 3-4 DE, Jenkins was a great 3-4 DE in Green Bay.  Kendricks would be a great 3-4 MLB.  Graham would be a good OLB.

The biggest problems would be if Cole could play OLB and if Ryans can handle MLB... and, of course, finding a legit NT.

LDE - Cox, Thornton
NT - draft/FA
RDE - Jenkins, Landri
LOLB - Graham, Curry
ILB - Ryans, Kendricks, Matthews, Chaney
ROLB - Draft/FA, Cole, Hunt


It really could be an easy switch with a few players and good coaching

[PhillySmoke]

evilwaldo, on 11 January 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Put down Madden.

try reading the other posts in the thread before making a stupid comment that brings absolutely nothing to the table.