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[NOTW]

Just hire VaBeach_Eagle already.  He'll have this joint fixed in a week.

[Footballman175]

That video of the EMB on gamedays sums up this problem. It takes me 15 minutes to open a thread on Gameday.

Has to be about 10000 guests on the EMB for gamedays

[NOTW]

I don't usually look at the list of members vs guests.  But right now on a slow day with nothing happening and just regulars posting about whatever...

1214 users are online (in the past 15 minutes)

177 members, 1021 guests, 16 anonymous users

That many guests?  Is that the new NFL.com format of letting people view boards of any team without being registered?

So regulars and Eagles fans have to suffer so trolls from other teams can browse TATE topics?

[Footballman175]

If you click on the [See Full List] button at the bottom of the page almost every single guest on this board is at the index (home) page. None of them are looking at threads...what is the explanation for this?

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Footballman175, on 22 January 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

That video of the EMB on gamedays sums up this problem. It takes me 15 minutes to open a thread on Gameday.

Has to be about 10000 guests on the EMB for gamedays

The day I did that video was actually a "good" day for the EMB, not as slow and bad as it usually had been. But by that point in the season it was obvious that we were crap, so we didn't hav nearly as many people on the board posting. Normally it would have been 10 times longer to get a thread open, if it would open at all.

NOTW, on 22 January 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I don't usually look at the list of members vs guests.  But right now on a slow day with nothing happening and just regulars posting about whatever...

    1214 users are online (in the past 15 minutes)

177 members, 1021 guests, 16 anonymous users

That many guests?  Is that the new NFL.com format of letting people view boards of any team without being registered?

So regulars and Eagles fans have to suffer so trolls from other teams can browse TATE topics?

I really believe that the majority of "guests" are search engine spiders. A search engine spider is an automated 'bot' that "crawls" the "web" and indexes everything it sees. So if we were to have 13,000 "spiders" "crawling" the EMB, the spider would go to a thread, index it, go to another thread, index it, go to another thread, index it and so on and so on.

Then, when someone goes to Google or Yahoo or Lycos or any other search engine, they get search results.

Try this, go to TATE or another forum here and look for a fairly new thread. Copy the thread title and then go to Google and do a search for that thread title. It doesn't always work, but many times the thread is already indexed. Here's an example...

This thread was posted today at 4:35 PM Eastern Time. It's now 5:05 PM Eastern Time, so only a half hour has passed since it was posted.

http://boards.philad...-more-about-02/

I copied the title and went to Google and got this hit. That was about 5 minutes ago, so it was indexed and in Google in less than a half hour (even though the image says 14 hours).



I searched Yahoo for the same thread but Yahoo hadn't indexed it yet.

That's just a random thread on TATE, and it was probably index within seconds of being posted. That's why you see all those "Guests" sitting on the Index page. They're probably spiders waiting for new content to index for Google or some other search engine.

So imagine it, we have 150 people on the board and 50 of them at any given time are responding to or posting new threads and we have 1,000 spiders sitting on the index page waiting to index every single new post as soon as it's posted... that takes A LOT of bandwidth.

Have that happen when there's a lot of people posting and at worst you get "Over Capacity" errors or a very slow experience at best.

That's why I'm asking you Dave to please restrict viewing of the EMB to registered members only and block spiders from indexing the board. I don't "guarantee" that this will solve the problems because I can only look at this from afar and as a member, but I really believe that this solution will solve a lot of the problems.

Heavy news days will still have slowness and "capacity" issues, that's to be expected and understood. But "Over Capacity" on a Wednesday when there is no news, no games and nothing else happening is just silly and preventable.

[evilwaldo]

DaveSpadaro, on 22 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

I don't know where it is slow. Is it in the ridiculous thread in Talk About The Eagles? Cause it's not slow in this forum. Maybe you can narrow it down a bit. I'm on the boards 2-3 times a day and I don't experience what you experience. The more specific you can be the more helpful it is to me.

The weird thing is I have problems when I pull up the EMB on my laptop using Firefox but if I pull out the iPad and use Safari there are little if any problems.

...and Dave the problems are all over the forum.  If you are going through the Eagles servers I doubt you will notice the difference because you have a ton of bandwidth.

The average user does not have that,

LOL @ looking up a Shocker thread.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

evilwaldo, on 22 January 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

LOL @ looking up a Shocker thread.

I just picked one that was less than a half hour old to show that it would already have been indexed. I didn't even pay attentio to who did the thread or what it was about.

One thing that I've asked in the past but never got an answer to is this, is the EMB on a shared server, virtual server or dedicated server? I would hope to God that we are not on a shared server. That means we're sharing resources with any number of other websites. We need to be on a dedicated server, if we're not already. Of course it's easy for me to say that since I'm not paying the bills... but someone mentioned the Falcons board in another thread as a comparison. They are also using Invision but I don't know if they are on Invisions servers or some other host, but they may be on a dedicated server that devotes all of its resources to their board.

Is that the setup we have Dave? Is the EMB server dedicated to the EMB alone?

[NorCalEagle]

i'm thinking that the boards are hosted by invision, on their servers, & that they are shared...

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Here's another example from Google.

This thread was posted at 5:20 PM Eastern. I did the Google search at 5:32 PM Eastern

http://boards.philad...enerio-for-fun/



For that one, the thread title alone brought up too many hits but the thread content brought up the actual thread.

[NorCalEagle]

both the falcons board & the emb share the ip address 50.28.75.27...

so, yes, they are both hosted by invision...& the apparently share the same server...

[VaBeach_Eagle]

NorCalEagle, on 22 January 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

both the falcons board & the emb share the ip address 50.28.75.27...

so, yes, they are both hosted by invision...& the apparently share the same server...

It wouldn't shock me if there were multiple professional sports teams boards all on the same server. NFL, MLB, NBA... seems like Invision has a "Sports Board" server that they put the pro teams boards on.

[NorCalEagle]

other forums sharing that ip address:

ravens
dolphins
cowboys

[VaBeach_Eagle]

NorCalEagle, on 22 January 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

both the falcons board & the emb share the ip address 50.28.75.27...

so, yes, they are both hosted by invision...& the apparently share the same server...

I had thought about pinging the EMB earlier but forgot to do it. Hdn't thought to ping the Falcons board though.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

NorCalEagle, on 22 January 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

other forums sharing that ip address:

ravens
dolphins
cowboys

All of that, along with thousands of guests and spiders added to TATErgeddon equals guaranteed "Over Capacity" errors.

[LacesOut]

Dave,

Hire VaBeach now and let him run this house!  He is, as he says, jobless, so hook him up with a gig! haha

[evilwaldo]

11:30 PM and we are having issues.