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[Fansincebirth]

LB: Vet, Ryans, Kendricks, Graham
DL: Cole/Curry, Rookie/Dixon, CoX/Jenkins

I dont think it is that crazy of a change. Ignore the secondary its a mess whatever scheme we do.

BUt i think with the addition of two key players we could make a switch.

Star, Jones, etc. Depends who the coach is but everyone i see is a 3-4 Coach.

[Solomon]

Yeah, no.

[Fansincebirth]

Solomon, on 13 January 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

Yeah, no.

Thank you for the constructive criticism

[eagles nut]

I don't think Cole has the size to play 3-4 DE and he probably doesn't have the athleticism to play OLB at this point. Curry could potentially grow to the size of a 3-4 DE. He has the frame.

[iluvdaeagles]

we dont have a guy on our roster who would be a good NT

it would be a long transition

[Fansincebirth]

eagles nut, on 13 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

I don't think Cole has the size to play 3-4 DE and he probably doesn't have the athleticism to play OLB at this point. Curry could potentially grow to the size of a 3-4 DE. He has the frame.

We Definitely don't have the optimal defense players to make a flawless change but i think we could feasibly make a change.
Cole and Graham would be the question marks

[iluvdaeagles]

Fansincebirth, on 13 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

We Definitely don't have the optimal defense players to make a flawless change but i think we could feasibly make a change.
Cole and Graham would be the question marks

so why would you want to switch?

if 2 of your best d players would be question marks

[BDAWK_4EVER]

It would take probably 2 years to make a full switch. I would rather not.

[Fansincebirth]

iluvdaeagles, on 13 January 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:

so why would you want to switch?

if 2 of your best d players would be question marks

Every D Coach we look at is a 3-4 Guy. This is a look, not a fact.

[iluvdaeagles]

Fansincebirth, on 13 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Every D Coach we look at is a 3-4 Guy. This is a look, not a fact.

HUH

doesnt gus run a 4-3

[eagles nut]

Bradley's D is more of a hybrid look that plays 3-4 at times and 4-3 at others.

[Eaglesdude55]

So the Eagles will put their best LB in Demeco Ryan's on a defense that he is absolutely horrible in?

[iluvdaeagles]

Eaglesdude55, on 13 January 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

So the eagles will put their best LB in demeco Ryan's on a defense that he is absolutely horrible in

dont see it happening

[BIGGSHAUN]

Fansincebirth, on 13 January 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

Thank you for the constructive criticism

Hell no.

[PolkaDotPants]

Eaglesdude55, on 13 January 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

So the eagles will put their best LB in demeco Ryan's on a defense that he is absolutely horrible in

I'm glad someone mentioned that also. It's what made Ryans expendable in Houston.

[LacesOut]

Fit the D system to the current players.  Don't make the players fit into the system.

Square peg, round hole.  I'm sick of that ish, and I don't want to ever see it again as an Iggle fan.

[Cuse_to_Eagle]

I can't believe some seem almost "afraid" to switch to a 3-4.  Our D blows anyway, we're probably gutting it anyway, we're getting a new coach with his philosophy and now would be the time.  Our D talent matches a 3-4 as much as a 4-3.  Most of the top talent on the draft board is 3-4 oriented.

Graham has virtually said he'd rather play in a 4-3.  Cox seems suited for either.

The deal with DeMeco being useless in 3-4 is and overblown myth......his words on the subject:

The 27-year-old middle linebacker was shipped to Philadelphia from Houston with the label, “Can’t Play In A 3-4″ written in big letters across the packaging.
Ryans says it was false advertising.
“I can play in any defense, it’s not that big of a deal,” said Ryans. “In a 3-4, it wasn’t that the defense didn’t fit for me. I played the whole year with the Texans and we were a top defense in the league, so it wasn’t that I didn’t fit the scheme.”
  

[Eaglesdude55]

Cuse_to_Eagle, on 13 January 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

I can't believe some seem almost "afraid" to switch to a 3-4.  Our D blows anyway, we're probably gutting it anyway, we're getting a new coach with his philosophy and now would be the time.  Our D talent matches a 3-4 as much as a 4-3.  Most of the top talent on the draft board is 3-4 oriented.

Graham has virtually said he'd rather play in a 4-3.  Cox seems suited for either.

The deal with DeMeco being useless in 3-4 is and overblown myth......his words on the subject:

The 27-year-old middle linebacker was shipped to Philadelphia from Houston with the label, “Can’t Play In A 3-4″ written in big letters across the packaging.
Ryans says it was false advertising.
“I can play in any defense, it’s not that big of a deal,” said Ryans. “In a 3-4, it wasn’t that the defense didn’t fit for me. I played the whole year with the Texans and we were a top defense in the league, so it wasn’t that I didn’t fit the scheme.”
  

Bill Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with Monica Lewinski either. Does that make it true?

[Footballman175]

why would would we go back to the defense where DeMeco struggled? Sounds smart.

[Cuse_to_Eagle]

Eaglesdude55, on 13 January 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

Bill Clinton said he didn't have sexual relations with Monica Lewinski either. Does that make it true?

No, them being a top 2 D with Ryans under a 3-4 makes it true.  .

And fearing a switch because of Ryans is no reason not to do it.  We're not talking about risking the play of Lawrence Taylor here.

[Eaglesdude55]

Cuse_to_Eagle, on 13 January 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

No, them being a top 2 D with Ryans under a 3-4 makes it true.  .

And fearing a switch because of Ryans is no reason not to do it.  We're not talking about risking the play of Lawrence Taylor here.

Like I said, just because he said that doesn't mean it's true. He was taken off the field a lot on that defense and it's been very well documented how bad he was in a 3-4.

Be honest though, did you believe Clinton when he said he didn't have sexual relations?

[Cuse_to_Eagle]

Eaglesdude55, on 13 January 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Like I said, just because he said that doesn't mean it's true. He was taken off the field a lot on that defense and it's been very well documented how bad he was in a 3-4.

Be honest though, did you believe Clinton when he said he didn't have sexual relations?

Whatever, no sense going on about it other than to say I think it's one of those overblown cliches and myths.  He says he didn't struggle, the D was still top 2, so who cares?  I think his injury is why the Texans moved on.
And again, if the new coach wants to switch, he's not worth stopping that.  If so, move him for another vet/draft pickup.  We're not winning anything next year anyway.

Don't know about "well documented" either.  Someone (probably a media idiot) says he can't play 3-4, all others follow like sheep and it becomes fact and "documentation".

[Eaglesdude55]

Cuse_to_Eagle, on 13 January 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Whatever, no sense going on about it other than to say I think it's one of those overblown cliches and myths.  He says he didn't struggle, the D was still top 2, so who cares?  I think his injury is why the Texans moved on.
And again, if the new coach wants to switch, he's not worth stopping that.  If so, move him for another vet/draft pickup.  We're not winning anything next year anyway.

Don't know about "well documented" either.  Someone (probably a media idiot) says he can't play 3-4, all others follow like sheep and it becomes fact and "documentation".

No man he was actually so bad that he got benched routinely on that defense. But you think he was good because he "said he was".

Michael Vick said this was a dynasty team last year too. Maybe you believed that too?

He's not a 3-4 LB and there really is no reason to switch to one anyways. It's only going to set us back even further.

[Eaglesdude55]

Fansincebirth, on 13 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

Through 22 Games in the 3-4 Demeco Had 118 Tackles

Clay Matthews who also plays in a 3-4 had 92 Tackles through 27 games (same seasons)

Side note: the replacements for Demeco Ryans (Barrett Ruud and Darryl Sharpton) are yet to combine for 50 tackles in a season under the Texans

When did he play 22 games in a 3-4 defense?

[Fansincebirth]

I dont know what post your talking about......It seems they didnt play 3-4 in 2010 however the 2011 season was in the 3-4

[bdacoobyr]

DeMeco was not horrible in the 3-4. A lot of the negativity around his play was because of his health. When he was healthy for the Texans in the playoffs he was an absolute stud. Because of a pass first league the Texans were frequently in the Nickel. When they were in the formation that only had 1 ILB. Cushing is a better option, so they kept him in. Thats not a knock on Ryan's ability, Cushing is just one of the best ILB's in the league. This team, if we switch to a 3-4 only needs a NT and a vet OLB. It's very plausible that we can build a defense suitable for a 3-4 in the offseason.

[eagles nut]

We need to be multiple. Lining up all the time in the straight 4-3 isn't a recipe for success. Under Jim Johnson, the Eagles ran the 4-3 but they had guys in the joker role that could come from anywhere. The wide 9 was way too vanilla and easy for opposing offenses to dictate against. Castillo had the most success when he mixed different looks in. Look at the final 8 teams:

Seattle - 4-3/3-4 hybrid
Atlanta - Primarily 4-3, run some 3-4 looks with Kiermann as a joker player
SF - Primarily 3-4, at times 4-3
GB - Primarily 3-4
NE - Primarily 4-3 now, still some 3-4 looks
BAL - 3-4/4-3 hybrid
HOU - 3-4
DEN - 4-3/3-4 hybrid(Wolfe is a DE but has 3-4 size, Dumervil and Von Miller are the main outside pass-rushers)

The problem is that are DEs aren't particularly athletic. Cole has mainly been an effort/technique player throughout his career and Graham's game seems to be mainly power/leverage. I haven't seen enough of Curry to tell but he sees like the classic 4-3 LDE. He has the frame to grow so if he could get in the 280-290 range he could act as a 3-4 DE and also act as a nickel DT at times. Hunt is the closest we have to a joker type player right now.

[Sean Jerz]

Please! Enough with this monkey see monkey do business. We are the Philadelphia Eagles, we don't follow trends, we set them. We're a 4-3 defense and that is final!!! We need guys like Gus Bradley or Lovie Smith to fill in the holes with the right players. Ask Jerry Jones how's his 3-4 defense been working lately..

[cmart102]

This seems like an unnecessary change for change sake

[Fansincebirth]

Sean Jerz, on 14 January 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Please! Enough with this monkey see monkey do business. We are the Philadelphia Eagles, we don't follow trends, we set them. We're a 4-3 defense and that is final!!! We need guys like Gus Bradley or Lovie Smith to fill in the holes with the right players. Ask Jerry Jones how's his 3-4 defense been working lately..

Andy Reid???

I believe Gus runs 3-4 hybrid???? We dont need the 3-4 but we need a guy that runs it????? RATARD!