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[EagleVA]

Looking at success that RGIII, Kaepernick and Wilson have had running the Run/Option, isn't it ironic that we haven't run it the past two years with Vick.

We ran it in 2010 while Juan was coaching the OL but as soon as Mudd came in with his zone blocking bullsh^t we havn't seem it since.  

The run/option gave McCoy a huge year in 2010 just as it's doing for Frank Gore, Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch

Maybe we need to give some serious consideration to keeping Vick and implement the run/option.

[axe_man_trotter]

Vick has lost his speed and is made of glass. Didn't you learn anything from the past year?

[baldbird]

Vick cant stay on the field when he dont run it he would get killed if he was running more. RG3 can't stay on the field this style never last and it won't last .There is a reason pocket passers win SB it works.

[time2rock]

EagleVA, on 14 January 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

Looking at success that RGIII, Kaepernick and Wilson have had running the Run/Option, isn't it ironic that we haven't run it the past two years with Vick.

We ran it in 2010 while Juan was coaching the OL but as soon as Mudd came in with his zone blocking bullsh^t we havn't seem it since.  

The run/option gave McCoy a huge year in 2010 just as it's doing for Frank Gore, Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch

Maybe we need to give some serious consideration to keeping Vick and implement the run/option.

Hell no

[PhillyMVP]

NO on Vick staying.

[RPeeteRules]

The Eagles ran a little bit of it in the wildcat formation, but beyond that, they didn't run the same type of run option that RG3, Wilson, or Kaepernick run.  Vick ran more in 2010, but it wasn't on plays where he faked the handoff and then ran without looking to pass the ball.

[Solomon]

PhillyMV7, on 14 January 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

NO on Vick staying.

You can change your name, you know?

[nottsfootballfan]

Vick probably wouldn't be able to tell when to hand it off and when to run.

[morphius12812003]

We need to run whichever offense is best for our HC, OC, and players.  If you look at Tom Brady, he doesn't do the run/option, but is effective.....just saying, I don't know who will be QB next year, so whatever packages we go with should be tailored to our strengths.

[deevo82]

nottsfootballfan, on 14 January 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Vick probably wouldn't be able to tell when to fumble it and when to throw an interception.

Fixed!

[odin8888]

No on Vick,

Get competition for Foles and have him run some sprints in the meantime to improve on that long arse legged gallop hes got... LOL

[KzEaglefan86]

PhillyMV7, on 14 January 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

NO on Vick staying.

PhillyNF9

Enjoy the new user name free of charge.

[Token.]

Philly should know by now that running QBs can be fun to watch but in the end they wont get you where you want to go.  Crazy to me everyone is drooling over these guys.  We have already been down that road for years and years.  Be smarter.

[NCTANK]

Token., on 14 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Philly should know by now that running QBs can be fun to watch but in the end they wont get you where you want to go.  Crazy to me everyone is drooling over these guys.  We have already been down that road for years and years.  Be smarter.

i agree

all the talk last season was about how Tebow, and in particular, the read option, not being a sustainable offense in the NFL, due to the physicality of the defensive players at this level. all that talk kinda went away this season. but with Griffin going down this issue may again prove itself noteworthy. funny how flashes in the pan can change things for the moment.

[WaitingForSomeday]

I have confidence through the collective effort of DCs around the league that a solution will be found to the read-option.  It simply might be keying on the QB.. where the DE doesn't 'read' the QB/RB exchange - but just takes the opportunity to bury the QB.

[your46defense]

Stop it with the read option.  Stop it with creating ridiculous ways to keep Mike Vick on roster.  It's over.

Read option does not work in the NFL.  The reason Morris is a beast in Wash is because Morris is a beast.  Also, Mike Shanahan knows how to make and use running backs and offensive lines.  Morris does not owe anything to either Griffin nor the read option.  If you equate the read option to top tier running backs, let me know what happened in CAR this season?  Oh right.  People have tape on Newton, and he is not a good QB.  Wilson in SEA just might be a good QB, and next season will prove if that's true or not.  But seriously, look for RG3 to be out of football in 5 years.  Look for Kaepernick to be following him.  The read option is not a thing you want your 15m$ players to be involved in.

I say this it seems like every day when someone starts a topic related to let's run the option, or why didn't we pick this running QB, or why can't we keep Mike Vick.  The option and all QB running works in college because 90% of the players on the field are not big enough fast enough or smart enough to play in the NFL (and 50% are not good enough to really be on a college field either).  Usually the running QB is the fastest strongest player on the field at the time, and likely one of 10 players in the building who will ever wear an NFL jersey.  Even that is stretching it.  Hasn't Navy run the triple option forever?  Hasn't Georgia Southern run it forever?  Where are their HOF members?  How about GT, Air Force, don't THEY have QBs starting in the NFL?  Oh?  They don't?  This can't be, I thought the option was kewl?  Even moreso, in college your QBs are ALWAYS between 17 and 23 years old, in the pros, they are always older than 20, and always get a year older each year until they die or retire.  A 30 year old QB running the option is a joke, he is likely the slowest non-lineman on the field.  Investing QB level draft picks and money in a player whose useful career is only a few years is stupid.  Not to mention, once film is registered, the success of an option QB is gone.  See fraud Newton.

The option, read option, triple option, flexbone, veer, whatever you want to call it, is not for the NFL.  It's cute in college, but that's the only place it works.

Oh, and F Mike Vick.

[Token.]

WaitingForSomeday, on 14 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

I have confidence through the collective effort of DCs around the league that a solution will be found to the read-option.  It simply might be keying on the QB.. where the DE doesn't 'read' the QB/RB exchange - but just takes the opportunity to bury the QB.

I agree with this.  And I think thats what we will see next year.  Just have the end go after the QB regardless of the fake.  The damage the RB will do is less that what the QB can do odds are.  Always attack the QB and hopefully everyone else takes care of the RB.

[time2rock]

WaitingForSomeday, on 14 January 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

I have confidence through the collective effort of DCs around the league that a solution will be found to the read-option. It simply might be keying on the QB.. where the DE doesn't 'read' the QB/RB exchange - but just takes the opportunity to bury the QB.

Wash ... that you ??

[WaitingForSomeday]

time2rock, on 14 January 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

Wash ... that you ??

No, Wash only comments on topics about Jason Babin.

[time2rock]

WaitingForSomeday, on 14 January 2013 - 10:59 AM, said:

No, Wash only comments on topics about Jason Babin.

Bummer, I was going to ask you to channel your inner Buddy Ryan and punch Marty in the face.

[birdman#12]

3 of the 4 conference championship teams are traditional dropback QB's......again.   And one of the 3 will win the super bowl this year....again.

I want the eagles to get a traditional pocket QB, who can move around in the pocket, and pick a team apart.  Foles showed some capability this year.  I'm
tired of the "mobile" QB who looks a 1-2 receivers, gets happy feet and takes off.....I want a guy who steps up in the pocket, moves out of the pocket but
never takes his eyes from downfield......

[Ipspots]

EagleVA, on 14 January 2013 - 08:07 AM, said:

Looking at success that RGIII, Kaepernick and Wilson have had running the Run/Option, isn't it ironic that we haven't run it the past two years with Vick.

We ran it in 2010 while Juan was coaching the OL but as soon as Mudd came in with his zone blocking bullsh^t we havn't seem it since.  

The run/option gave McCoy a huge year in 2010 just as it's doing for Frank Gore, Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch

Maybe we need to give some serious consideration to keeping Vick and implement the run/option.

   You basically just told all of us you are not very bright.


RG3 got his knee blown out and he was only 23....

Vick is 34 and already has a history of concussions, lost a step and is not very good. He should not be here in 2013 regardless what you do on Offense

The Read Option will fade away.......

two things are likely to happen........

1) at some point all QB's running the read option will gets seriously injured. It is not wise for your most important player on the field to take more hits than he needs to (why have them as a primary ball carrier where it only ups the chances of getting hurt) Once hurt he is OUT of the game and without another QB with the same skillset, you just threw away your whole offense.


2)  The more NFL defenses see of this style of offense the less it will be effective.

[bobbywizdum]

we did not run the read option in 2010 !! Where are you getting this from. We used vick a bit in the wildcat in 2009 when we first got him and the year before that desean did a few snaps of it as well. Mccoy's breakout year was in 2011 so that puts a little bit of a damper on your "read option" and juan oline theory. In fact the 2011 oline was far better than the 2010 one which juan last coached. This year's was a jumbled mess of injuries. Notice the age of the players that are running this "pistol offense"? They are all first and second year speed players who don't yet have a full grasp of running a pro offense. Vick is a 34 year old 11 year pro who has never been able to fully grasp a pro style system. The solution to that for you is...dumb it way down, run the option,and treat him like a rookie? The real solution is build your franchise around a real qb. We'll see how great russell wilson,kaepernick,and rg III still look 3 years from now.

[EagleVA]

RPeeteRules, on 14 January 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Vick ran more in 2010, but it wasn't on plays where he faked the handoff and then ran without looking to pass the ball.

Yes, it was the run/option, don't you recall the announcers consistantly saying that the DE's can't key on the run because Vick will run it outside, it was the exact thing that's going on now, unfortunately Dumbo couldn't run it anymore because of Howard Mudd pretty much dictating what we can run because of his busssh^t scheme.

axe_man_trotter, on 14 January 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

Vick has lost his speed and is made of glass. Didn't you learn anything from the past year?

Yeah, what I learned from the past year is there's a bunch of moron's who post on this site.....you being one of them if you think Vick has lost his speed, that's total bullsh^t.

[bobbywizdum]

EagleVA, on 14 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Yes, it was the run/option, don't you recall the announcers consistantly saying that the DE's can't key on the run because Vick will run it outside, it was the exact thing that's going on now, unfortunately Dumbo couldn't run it anymore because of Howard Mudd pretty much dictating what we can run because of his busssh^t scheme.


Yeah, what I learned from the past year is there's a bunch of moron's who post on this site.....you being one of them if you think Vick has lost his speed, that's total bullsh^t.

we did not run the read option in 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EagleVA]

morphius12812003, on 14 January 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

We need to run whichever offense is best for our HC, OC, and players.  If you look at Tom Brady, he doesn't do the run/option, but is effective.....just saying, I don't know who will be QB next year, so whatever packages we go with should be tailored to our strengths.

You know Brady, just like the golden boy Manning are doing nothing but killing D's with short passes, take that away from them and they won't be so effective.......Payton for sure because he has a rag arm and Brady because he has no WR's that can beat you deep.

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

we did not run the read option in 2010 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes we.....oh, it's Bobby again, nevermind.

[bobbywizdum]

EagleVA, on 14 January 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

You know Brady, just like the golden boy Manning are doing nothing but killing D's with short passes, take that away from them and they won't be so effective.......Payton for sure because he has a rag arm and Brady because he has no WR's that can beat you deep.


Yes we.....oh, it's Bobby again, nevermind.

nevermind what? the truth. we did not run the read option in 2010 ...you have tons of people telling you that but you are calling us all fools.

[EagleVA]

nottsfootballfan, on 14 January 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

Vick probably wouldn't be able to tell when to hand it off and when to run.

Dumb black QB.....gotcha.

[cmart102]

EagleVA, on 14 January 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Yeah, what I learned from the past year is there's a bunch of moron's who post on this site.....you being one of them if you think Vick has lost his speed, that's total bullsh^t.

um...what? Dudes almost 33, he's obviously not as fast as he used to be. How many times in the past was he run down be Dlinemen? cause he was this year

[bobbywizdum]

cmart102, on 14 January 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

um...what? Dudes almost 33, he's obviously not as fast as he used to be. How many times in the past was he run down be Dlinemen? cause he was this year

you can't reason with guy..."vick is god" reid and mudd are the ones that screwed him up. there's no way he's slowed down at 34 because gods don't lose their speed post 30's like humans. He believes we ran the read option in 2010 need i say more?