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[bobbywizdum]

We can't realistically replace all four pieces in one season (especially for those who think it would be an upgrade).

The safeties...while both allen and coleman are not working out they are at least suitable back ups. Colt anderson is a very good special teams player. I think allen will be kept but i would draft two safeties this year and let the best four make the team and the best two start.

The corners...a much more difficult equation to really evaluate. Drc has shown has flashes of being great and flashes of not caring but the talent is there. Nmandi ...has he lost four steps since being considered the second best corner in the league? Either way with an actual defense scheme and his willingness to take a pay cut i see no reason why you don't bring him back. I think you have to bring them both back contrary to most views simply because you are not likely at all to get an nfl ready  cornerback outside of round 1 in the draft. Where we are picking in the draft i think the pick has to go to the O or the Dline (preferably star or joeckel).


If we went corner in round 2 where are we going to get our safeties since we realistically need 2 of them? What about our D or oline if we went corner in round 1?  We can't just plug in more big name free agents. That's what got us into this mess. That's why i would let nmamdi compete with marsh for the starting job and may the best man win. Keep drc as well. Boykin should be getting better in the middle and we have good depth at the position already beyond that. That allows us to address safety in rounds 2 through 4 with multiple picks and i said let the best two win !! Now after next year if the cb play is still suspect and if foles proves to be a keeper it will be the obvious that we go after corner in at least round 1 if not 1 and 2. The point is this secondary mess isn't a one year fix and we can't just dump all four player and expect to get upgrades.

Thoughts?

[BDAWK_4EVER]

Nnamdi has shown he is still a shutdown corner from the game against the Lions when CJ had like one catch for 8 yards until they put Brandon Hughes and DRC on him. Why he struggled so badly afterwards I have no idea

[E2k4]

Wait a minute..................We have a secondary?

[selassieyouth]

I think we have two good corners who were playing for a defense that practiced in individual units and thus had no singular aim or goal. I think the defensive issues on this team are very clear and have little to do with talent. Do everything we can to keep everyone going into camp. Let them all compete and see what we have.

I don't think we can afford to lose both Namdi and DRC. Maybe one but not both. Honesty I think we do what we can to keep as many HOLES filled as possible at least going into camp. Let them all compete, draft BPA for the future and start the model over with a coach who can actually design a game plan and scheme suited to his players strengths.

[LaxPlayerX3]

Everyone was praising our secondary (minus Coleman) until Juan got fired and everything went to ****. We had one of the best pass defenses in the league. Obviously the morale of the team through the messed up season had more to do with it than the talent it seems.

[bobbywizdum]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 14 January 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Nnamdi has shown he is still a shutdown corner from the game against the Lions when CJ had like one catch for 8 yards until they put Brandon Hughes and DRC on him. Why he struggled so badly afterwards I have no idea

i agree and i really think our defense was so confused by the middle of the year on their assignments that nobody knew their right from the left. I also think the quickest way to improve your seconday is by improving your dline.  I'm hoping star will still be there (i think joeckel is going #1 to andy). Their are a plethora of good 2nd and 3rd round safety prospects and i do think we should go after two of them. Even if we traded down and took rhodes or millner in truth it isn't likely that either will be a first year upgrade over what we already have. In the future definitely but we play in a division where both the redskins and giants keys to offensive success rely on their running game. To me having star,cox,cole,and grahm with jenkins/dixon/hunt/curry rotating would be of far more immediate and long term impact.

[LaxPlayerX3]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

i agree and i really think our defense was so confused by the middle of the year on their assignments that nobody knew their right from the left. I also think the quickest way to improve your seconday is by improving your dline.  I'm hoping star will still be there (i think joeckel is going #1 to andy). Their are a plethora of good 2nd and 3rd round safety prospects and i do think we should go after two of them. Even if we traded down and took rhodes or millner in truth it isn't likely that either will be a first year upgrade over what we already have. In the future definitely but we play in a division where both the redskins and giants keys to offensive success rely on their running game. To me having star,cox,cole,and grahm with jenkins/dixon/hunt/curry rotating would be of far more immediate and long term impact.

I'd love Star. He'd allow us to move in the direction of a hybrid defense where he can play NT in the 3-4 and 4-3 with Cox as the DE in a 3-4 and an UT in the 4-3. The added versatility and his potential to be dominant in the league would be amazing. Otherwise trading down in the 1st to pick up Rhodes and then trading back up into the bottom of the 1st with our extra picks to get Elam would also be a very welcome addition.

[Sean Jerz]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

i agree and i really think our defense was so confused by the middle of the year on their assignments that nobody knew their right from the left. I also think the quickest way to improve your seconday is by improving your dline.

Lol! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!!.............tell'm what hes won Johnny!

[baldawgbites]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

We can't realistically replace all four pieces in one season (especially for those who think it would be an upgrade).

The safeties...while both allen and coleman are not working out they are at least suitable back ups. Colt anderson is a very good special teams player. I think allen will be kept but i would draft two safeties this year and let the best four make the team and the best two start.

The corners...a much more difficult equation to really evaluate. Drc has shown has flashes of being great and flashes of not caring but the talent is there. Nmandi ...has he lost four steps since being considered the second best corner in the league? Either way with an actual defense scheme and his willingness to take a pay cut i see no reason why you don't bring him back. I think you have to bring them both back contrary to most views simply because you are not likely at all to get an nfl ready  cornerback outside of round 1 in the draft. Where we are picking in the draft i think the pick has to go to the O or the Dline (preferably star or joeckel).


If we went corner in round 2 where are we going to get our safeties since we realistically need 2 of them? What about our D or oline if we went corner in round 1?  We can't just plug in more big name free agents. That's what got us into this mess. That's why i would let nmamdi compete with marsh for the starting job and may the best man win. Keep drc as well. Boykin should be getting better in the middle and we have good depth at the position already beyond that. That allows us to address safety in rounds 2 through 4 with multiple picks and i said let the best two win !! Now after next year if the cb play is still suspect and if foles proves to be a keeper it will be the obvious that we go after corner in at least round 1 if not 1 and 2. The point is this secondary mess isn't a one year fix and we can't just dump all four player and expect to get upgrades.

Thoughts?

the other possibility is to trade down and get a Safety in the First round... there's the Kid from Florida and Reid from LSU... Reid reminds me a bit of Dawkins ( Just my opinion)... and there will probably be more candidates at that position after the Combine... the trade down would also stockpile picks for this year and maybe a second #1 for next year... Combined with a defensive scheme that actually plays to the STRENGTHS of the guys we have here... I think the team will be good.

[nottsfootballfan]

Asomugha can't come back on that salary, and DRC is a fa.

I think the team needs to keep one, I'd prefer DRC, but no guarantees

[Vee]

Can we just wait until there's a coach and a system in place?  You don't know who can do what right now.

[bobbywizdum]

baldawgbites, on 14 January 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

the other possibility is to trade down and get a Safety in the First round... there's the Kid from Florida and Reid from LSU... Reid reminds me a bit of Dawkins ( Just my opinion)... and there will probably be more candidates at that position after the Combine... the trade down would also stockpile picks for this year and maybe a second #1 for next year... Combined with a defensive scheme that actually plays to the STRENGTHS of the guys we have here... I think the team will be good.

i know we certainly need safety help i just think we have to take advantage of picking in the top 5 for the first time since 99. We've got to get an impact stud. I think we could still get a safety in the second and 3rd or if we want elam or eid bad enough we could actually trade up from our high second into the first to get them as well. that being said if star and joeckel are both off the board imo there is noone else really worth taking that high. If we did miss out on star and joeckel i would probably trade down a few spots and go after matthews or that other high rated tackle and then we would have two seconds and a world of possibilities that way as well.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

nottsfootballfan, on 14 January 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Asomugha can't come back on that salary, and DRC is a fa.

I think the team needs to keep one, I'd prefer DRC, but no guarantees

Nnamdi has said he is open to restructuring his contract

[WaitingForSomeday]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 01:04 PM, said:

i know we certainly need safety help i just think we have to take advantage of picking in the top 5 for the first time since 99. We've got to get an impact stud. I think we could still get a safety in the second and 3rd or if we want elam or eid bad enough we could actually trade up from our high second into the first to get them as well. that being said if star and joeckel are both off the board imo there is noone else really worth taking that high. If we did miss out on star and joeckel i would probably trade down a few spots and go after matthews or that other high rated tackle and then we would have two seconds and a world of possibilities that way as well.

Matthews and Lewan are going back to school... I guess if AR passes on Geno, than the FO might find a trade partner - just don't know if teams will be willing bid up the price (he's kinda meh).

[WaitingForSomeday]

nottsfootballfan, on 14 January 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Asomugha can't come back on that salary, and DRC is a fa.

I think the team needs to keep one, I'd prefer DRC, but no guarantees

Has anyone watched Sean Smith from MIA - is he a better solution at CB?  The CB free agents pickings aren't so exciting.

[macgregor]

Is there no one that sees the possibility that we have talent but no coaching? How many years experience as a DC has someone like Nate Allen played under? Zero. 3 different bosses in 3 years, all with no experience. He probably learned more when he was at USF. If I was working for a company that did that to me I'd be lacking enthusiasm as well. The fact that our defense has gotten collectively worse should send up a red flag. I'm not saying that these guys like Nnambdi or DRC will instantly turn into studs with a new, more experienced coordinator. I merely say we need to have a really good DC before we lose millions of dollars to watch them potentially walk and then make the probowl with other teams.

[bobbywizdum]

WaitingForSomeday, on 14 January 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Matthews and Lewan are going back to school... I guess if AR passes on Geno, than the FO might find a trade partner - just don't know if teams will be willing bid up the price (he's kinda meh).

that sucks...stupid kids wanting to finish their education lol j/k .....Well hopefully we can land joeckel or star then i guess. Who are the jags likely targeting..that could play a big part as well.

[Markyc9876]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 14 January 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Nnamdi has said he is open to restructuring his contract

He should play for free considering all the money he stole the past 2 years.

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

that sucks...stupid kids wanting to finish their education lol j/k .....Well hopefully we can land joeckel or star then i guess. Who are the jags likely targeting..that could play a big part as well.

Lewan is in a bad spot to think we can trade down for 2 good picks. A mid first and then ...a late third round? No thanks.

[bobbywizdum]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Lewan is in a bad spot to think we can trade down for 2 good picks. A mid first and then ...a late third round? No thanks.

not sure how we could end up with a mid first and a late third rounder....
that being said my top choice is to draft star but if him and joeckel aren't there at #4 you do have to consider trading back. Who else is really worth the top four pick in our current state? millner? jones? i wouldn't gamble on that.

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

not sure how we could end up with a mid first and a late third rounder....
that being said my top choice is to draft star but if him and joeckel aren't there at #4 you do have to consider trading back. Who else is really worth the top four pick in our current state? millner? jones? i wouldn't gamble on that.

If we're taking 4 I think I'd rather have Warmack if he's there.

[bobbywizdum]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

If we're taking 4 I think I'd rather have Warmack if he's there.

warmack? i've never heard that name mentioned in the top 5?

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

If we're taking 4 I think I'd rather have Warmack if he's there.

a guard? you are taking a guard in the top 5 !!!!

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

warmack? i've never heard that name mentioned in the top 5?



a guard? you are taking a guard in the top 5 !!!!

Sure we're fine there. He's the BPA at 4 and if you're looking for an upgrade that would transform this team -he's the best chance.

[bobbywizdum]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Sure we're fine there. He's the BPA at 4 and if you're looking for an upgrade that would transform this team -he's the best chance.

he's projected to get picked from 15-20....how in the world would that be bpa at 4? You don't pay guards top four money ever !!!

[LaxPlayerX3]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

he's projected to get picked from 15-20....how in the world would that be bpa at 4? You don't pay guards top four money ever !!!

It's not as bad anymore with wage scale but I would not take him at 4 regardless.

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

he's projected to get picked from 15-20....how in the world would that be bpa at 4? You don't pay guards top four money ever !!!

Good for you. I have him ranked at 3.

[bobbywizdum]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Good for you. I have him ranked at 3.

i'm glad you get to be on the expert pannel of actually doing rankings that people listen to. But seriously....who besides you has him ranked in the top ten let alone the top 3?

LaxPlayerX3, on 14 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

It's not as bad anymore with wage scale but I would not take him at 4 regardless.

good point about the wage scale but who takes guards in the top 5? i'm not sure it has ever happened before lol

[cmart102]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Good for you. I have him ranked at 3.

at an OG in the top 5

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 14 January 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

i'm glad you get to be on the expert pannel of actually doing rankings that people listen to. But seriously....who besides you has him ranked in the top ten let alone the top 3?

CBS?

[bobbywizdum]

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

CBS?

really i have seen plenty of mock drafts and not one of them head this guy anywhere near the top 5 lol

macgregor, on 14 January 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

CBS?

in fact cbs has him going at 16 lmao