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[winsbbeforeidie]

http://sportsillustr...wr_a1&eref=sihp

Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
[King's comment:] So much for capologists rising to GM jobs ...

[Vee]

That doesn't translate to any wins or losses, does it?

Is Polian's opinion any more credible than Runtherock's?  I don't see why it should be.

[Gimpy]

winsbbeforeidie, on 15 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

http://sportsillustr...wr_a1&eref=sihp

Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
[King's comment:] So much for capologists rising to GM jobs ...

You might want to mention that he was pumping up guys that worked for him. Context matters here.

[matchew88]

You need to be a football man so you can miss and fail on more draft picks than most other teams

[IggleWalt]

Polian would be wrong. Guys learn on the job all the time. These are no longer the good old days.

No surprise that he is sticking up for his "boys" though.

[eagles nut]

It's not as if Roseman is the only guy with a law/cap background that is running his organization either.

[axe_man_trotter]

Who cares what Polian says?

[warreng325]

I really agree with this comment. It seems to make more sense to have "FOOTBALL MEN" to assist you into running a billion dollar business than guys who resemble ceo's of banks. I don't want this to sound personal. Because I don't mean it to be. How many times did Banner or Roseman play football. It just dosen't make sense to me. But I don't own them and jeffrey does. So what do I know???

[PrinceKelby]

winsbbeforeidie, on 15 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

http://sportsillustr...wr_a1&eref=sihp

Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
[King's comment:] So much for capologists rising to GM jobs ...

Says the guy without a job who did such a bang up job the past few years with the KC roster. . .

[eagles nut]

There are plenty of guys with football playing backgrounds who get involved in cap/contracts without necessarily having a legal/finance background. Seems to me that if you're going to deem a person with a more academic background that learns the football/talent aspect on the job as somehow being "unqualified" then the same thing should be said of those who take the opposite road.

[winsbbeforeidie]

The same sort of thing has happened in other industries. Back in the 90s, b-school "geniuses" were hired to manage hospital surgical operations. They put the $ above all else, and ended up creating more problems than they solved. These "manager" types, who have no expertise in the area they're supevising, but are educated in b-schools or law schools, show up all over the place and rarely succeed. Here and there someone does, but so what. Spreadsheets can't measure heart, common sense, or wisdom.

[eagles nut]

PrinceKelby, on 15 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Says the guy without a job who did such a bang up job the past few years with the KC roster. . .

Polian is ex of the Colts. You're thinking of Scott Pioli.

[we_gotta_believe]

PrinceKelby, on 15 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Says the guy without a job who did such a bang up job the past few years with the KC roster. . .

To be fair, they've got some pretty good young guys on that roster. Better than ours wouldn't you say?

Oh and yeah... wrong guy as well.

[winsbbeforeidie]

IggleWalt, on 15 January 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:

Polian would be wrong. Guys learn on the job all the time. These are no longer the good old days.

No surprise that he is sticking up for his "boys" though.

So do you want the neurosurgeon learning on the job doing surgery on your kid or your spouse or whoever?

[PrinceKelby]

eagles nut, on 15 January 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Polian is ex of the Colts. You're thinking of Scott Pioli.

DAMN IT!!!  I always get those 2 f'd up. . .



Well Polian still doesn't have a job and he lives off "drafting Payton Manning" as the rest of the roster was never really all that great around him for the most part.  Just like Pioli is considered a genius for drafting/getting lucky with Tom Brady.

[axe_man_trotter]

warreng325, on 15 January 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

How many times did Banner or Roseman play football. It just dosen't make sense to me. But I don't own them and jeffrey does. So what do I know???

How many times has Polian played football himself? Or any GM for that matter?

[Cochis_Calhoun]

warreng325, on 15 January 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

I really agree with this comment. It seems to make more sense to have "FOOTBALL MEN" to assist you into running a billion dollar business than guys who resemble ceo's of banks. I don't want this to sound personal. Because I don't mean it to be. How many times did Banner or Roseman play football. It just dosen't make sense to me. But I don't own them and jeffrey does. So what do I know???

When you put it like that, that it's about running a billion dollar business, why does it make more sense to entrust it to someone who's played football than someone who's run a business. That's like saying Ben and Jerry's wpuld be better be run by someone who used to drive an ice cream truck.

[baldawgbites]

winsbbeforeidie, on 15 January 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

http://sportsillustr...wr_a1&eref=sihp

Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
[King's comment:] So much for capologists rising to GM jobs ...

isn't he the same guy that refused to draft a capable backup fo Manning in Indy?.... then when Manning went down the team Tanked.... I trust HIS opinion on the draft.

[f_dallas]

eagles nut, on 15 January 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

It's not as if Roseman is the only guy with a law/cap background that is running his organization either.

Who are the other GMs without a football background?  I know there are probably a couple, but I don't think there are many.

[BillTheButcher]

why is pollian not the colrts GM anymore if he is soooo good?

[NorCalEagle]

PrinceKelby, on 15 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Says the guy without a job who did such a bang up job the past few years with the KC roster. . .

that was scott pioli...

bill polian has a slightly more impressive resume...

[pgcd3]

I'm a Roseman critic but I'm not into the 'football guy' criticism..I think different types of people can succeed. My problem with Roseman is that during the 3 years he's been GM the team has gotten progressively worse yet somehow he's snaked out of accountability for any of it.

[axe_man_trotter]

BillTheButcher, on 15 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

why is pollian not the colrts GM anymore if he is soooo good?

After Manning left, the Colts ended up going 2-14 the next season and Polian was fired after that.

[BillTheButcher]

pgcd3, on 15 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

I'm a Roseman critic but I'm not into the 'football guy' criticism..I think different types of people can succeed. My problem with Roseman is that during the 3 years he's been GM the team has gotten progressively worse yet somehow he's snaked out of accountability for any of it.

gotta trust lurie, you think lurie would keep roseman if he was really to blame? why?

axe_man_trotter, on 15 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

After Manning left, the Colts ended up going 2-14 the next season and Polian was fired after that.

yup.

[f_dallas]

BillTheButcher, on 15 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

why is pollian not the colrts GM anymore if he is soooo good?

Polian obviously strung together a few bad drafts and that's why he's out of work, but he's probably going to the HOF as a GM, in the interest of fairness.

[KzEaglefan86]

Why didn't you quote the rest of the article?

Quote

A Polian tree grows in the NFL.
In the span of 25 hours last week, three teams hired new general managers: Jacksonville named David Caldwell late Tuesday afternoon, San Diego picked Tom Telesco at midday Wednesday, and Carolina announced David Gettleman. All got their start in the NFL when hired by Bill Polian -- Gettleman in Buffalo, and Caldwell and Telesco out of John Carroll University (along with son Chris Polian) with the Carolina Panthers. "Bill's the linchpin for me and Tom,'' Caldwell said. "I would venture to say no, I wouldn't be here right now if not for Bill."
Said Polian: "All three are the epitome of football men. Football teams need to be led by football men who know how coaches think, how players think. You can't learn that in business school or law school.''
So much for capologists rising to GM jobs ...

If only Roseman had played at John Carroll University, like the people Polian is praising, then we'd have a real GM at the helm!!

[pgcd3]

BillTheButcher, on 15 January 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

gotta trust lurie, you think lurie would keep roseman if he was really to blame? why?

I do think Andy was mostly to blame and I do think Howie probably has given graded college players well as Lurie mentioned. But it's almost impossible to believe that with all the horrible moves in the last 3 years that Howie played no part in it. I think Howie plays the corporate game well of distancing himself from failure and crediting himself with success. Unfortunately for all of us the only success in the last 3 years to cling to was the 2012 draft

[BillTheButcher]

what makes polian suck a "football guy" cause he coached "the now defunct football teams at Manhattan College and the Trinity School," ? he earned the respect as he went along, and thats exactly what howie is doing.

[NorCalEagle]

people bishing about roseman in a million other threads are here to defend him against a statement that wasn't even directed at him...

[k9fiend]

Yeah you totally need to have played football at some level to be a success at the management level, just ask Matt Milien, or a host of other NFL experienced GMs who have been fired or failed,



Sorry Mr.Polian things evolve and change.

Also I'm indifferent about Howie right now, but come on the guy has spent the past decade around a pro NFL team. Just because he never played a down doesn't mean the guy doesn't know football.  Too many Al Bundys around thinking the "old way"  is THE only way.