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[Rodney_Zero]

MR-CYN, on 16 January 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Quoted and agree. This was the worst case scenario for me. I can't understand the love for this guy for the life of me. Should have just kept Reid.   Now we're both on record Rod.

Our pathetic but talented defense is what went south with this team for starters, hire Gus, Gus hires Raheem Morris.. Then go to work on the OL in the draft and FA, The new HC and other coaches put a premium on TO's.

[E v 2.0]

Seems to be working OK for the Pats but, I have concerns as well.

[mav81]

Rodney_Zero, on 16 January 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Our pathetic but talented defense is what went south with this team for starters, hire Gus, Gus hires Raheem Morris.. Then go to work on the OL in the draft and FA, The new HC and other coaches put a premium on TO's.

The defense is far from talented.

[KOJO]

MR-CYN, on 16 January 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Quoted and agree. This was the worst case scenario for me. I can't understand the love for this guy for the life of me. Should have just kept Reid.   Now we're both on record Rod.

Kelly is the Anti-Reid. Even if he fails I'll be grateful just for that.

[patpikunas]

CT Eagle, on 16 January 2013 - 12:52 PM, said:

(12:03) AP: NCAA announces investigation into Oregon Ducks football program

We have a winner....

He was staying @ Oregon until the heat came. He must consult with Pete Carroll

[Iggles]

After some internet investigation, I'm warming to Kelly.  I saw the Youtube video (before the Eagles website posted it) where Kelly outsmarted Jim Harbaugh during a 2010 Stanford vs. Oregon game.   It's been at least fourteen years since we had an offense that adjusts to a defense.  If Kelly hires the right DC, I'm willing to give him a chance.  The national media morons think that Nick Foles is gone.  I think Kelly WANTS Nick Foles.  Kelly is not Andy Reid square peg into round hole.

[mjkvol]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

After some internet investigation, I'm warming to Kelly.  I saw the Youtube video (before the Eagles website posted it) where Kelly outsmarted Jim Harbaugh during a 2010 Stanford vs. Oregon game.   It's been at least fourteen years since we had an offense that adjusts to a defense.  If Kelly hires the right DC, I'm willing to give him a chance.  The national media morons think that Nick Foles is gone.  I think Kelly WANTS Nick Foles.  Kelly is not Andy Reid square peg into round hole.

I've said it 1000 times already, but would everyone please stop listening to a damn thing the national media cretins say, and worse yet, taking it seriously????

I mean, how many more times do they have to show their utter disdain for this fan base before people wake the f**** up??

No offense meant, Iggles.

[DaveSpadaro]

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

[CT Eagle]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

radical changes across they board....

[mjkvol]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

College guy with no NFL experience ..... somewhat radical approach to offense ... this is not your garden variety NFL coaching hire, Dave.

I don't mean 'feast or famine' in a bad way - I'm incredibly pumped about the possibilities here.    This is the first off season in years with real excitement.      But there just is a 'high risk-high reward' aspect to it, no way around it.

[bonetone1979]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

Dave if you really believe that Kelly isn't a huge gamble you are clueless. You don't think hiring a guy with ZERO NFL experience who runs a gimmicky college offense which requires a mobile QB when the Eagles don't have one on their roster? You had better hope that the Eagles draft the second coming of RG3 or Kaepernick bc there is no way that Foles will be the guy running Kelly's offense. You don't think that hiring a coach with proven NFL success would be safer? Get real Dave. Maybe Kelly works out to be the next great coach but even a huge homer like you should agree that this move will either be amazingly good or might prove to be one of the worst hires in NFL history. I mean how many times do you see an NFL team hire a head coach and the same day an article goes up on NFL.com where the author states that it might go down as one of the worst moves ever?

http://www.nfl.com/n...-in-nfl-history

[mjkvol]

bonetone1979, on 17 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Dave if you really believe that Kelly isn't a huge gamble you are clueless. You don't think hiring a guy with ZERO NFL experience who runs a gimmicky college offense which requires a mobile QB when the Eagles don't have one on their roster? You had better hope that the Eagles draft the second coming of RG3 or Kaepernick bc there is no way that Foles will be the guy running Kelly's offense. You don't think that hiring a coach with proven NFL success would be safer? Get real Dave. Maybe Kelly works out to be the next great coach but even a huge homer like you should agree that this move will either be amazingly good or might prove to be one of the worst hires in NFL history. I mean how many times do you see an NFL team hire a head coach and the same day an article goes up on NFL.com where the author states that it might go down as one of the worst moves ever?

http://www.nfl.com/n...-in-nfl-history

Dude, before making asinine comments like 'gimmicky' and listening to national media no-nothings making assumptions about what kind of players will be required, why not read up and really learn about the guy - it might open your eyes.

It is high risk / high reward to an extent just because of the fact that he hasn't been an NFL coach, but the upside is so huge it is well worth the risk, was opposed to 'settling' for someone who is pretty much just as much an unknown quantity with regard to being an NFL head coach.

[Rodney_Zero]

mjkvol, on 17 January 2013 - 11:46 AM, said:

College guy with no NFL experience ..... .

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Lou Holtz
Rich Brooks
Mike Riley
Daryl Rodgers
Bobby Petrino
Steve Spurrier
Barry Jimmy Johnson Switzer JR

[Highboy]

Rodney_Zero, on 17 January 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Lou Holtz
Rich Brooks
Mike Riley
Daryl Rodgers
Bobby Petrino
Steve Spurrier
Barry Jimmy Johnson Switzer JR

D Vermeil, Jim Harbaugh, Jimmy Johnson

I realize people think that because a lot of college coaches haven't succeeded that it automatically makes Chip a bust but just as many coaches WITH pro experience have been busts so what is your point? Steve Spagnolo, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary, all coordinators with NFL coaching experience but they were busts, so I guess hiring a coordinator is just as risky as hiring a college coach by that logic.

[Rodney_Zero]

Highboy, on 17 January 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

D Vermeil, Jim Harbaugh, Jimmy Johnson

I realize people think that because a lot of college coaches haven't succeeded that it automatically makes Chip a bust but just as many coaches WITH pro experience have been busts so what is your point? Steve Spagnolo, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini, Mike Nolan, Mike Singletary, all coordinators with NFL coaching experience but they were busts, so I guess hiring a coordinator is just as risky as hiring a college coach by that logic.

My point was "no NFL experience", there are "rare" exceptions, Harbaugh Played, & coached in the NFL pre SF, Jimmy Johnson's hurricanes ran a pro style system in college that could've beaten some NFL teams too

[Operator 7]

Highboy, on 16 January 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

I hear you and I'm trying to enjoy it, but if he continues with Vick as the starter you might read about me in the paper.

Trust, we know!

[Rodney_Zero]

Rodney_Zero, on 17 January 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Lou Holtz
Rich Brooks
Mike Riley
Daryl Rodgers
Bobby Petrino
Steve Spurrier
Barry Jimmy Johnson Switzer JR

I forgot Dennis Erickson (Twice)

*exception* John Mckay, Vermeil, Ross, & Johnson

[owensaws]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

Sure you guys will rip but I totally agree with Dave on this - Gus Bradley has been in NFL but hasn't been a head coach either how is that not also a risk - after what we went through I say ROLL THE DICE let's try to change the way it's done

[badmeetsevil]

I complete get the risk aspect but again that is with every single possible coach hire.

We can't be scared to pull the trigger if the people in charge have done their due diligence and believe this is the guy to lead them to the promise land.

Here is my take on all this:

From the beginning Lurie said they were looking for someone more than an expert of Xs and Os. A leader who can motivate and get the most out of his men. Not necessarily just an offensive minded guy or a defensive minded guy. Now I would have been extremely happy with the Gus Bus. I love the way teams like Seattle play defense, but hiring Kelly doesn't mean we also can't build a great defense. I am going to have to trust Lurie here when he said he wanted to hire the best COACH for the job, not just the best offensive guy or defensive guy.

Chip might have made his name as an offensive innovator, but to the Eagles he is more than that. He is the leader, the head coach, and someone who will have his hand in every aspect of the game. And if they truly believe he encompasses all these qualities then he is absolutely the right pick. This is something very important to keep in mind. You don't hire a coach with a weakness in mind. You have to hire the very best COACH period. Otherwise you might have a situation like the Bears did where Lovie was a great DC who could never translate that into being a full HC.

Additionally I loved what Chip said in the press conference today. It was almost like he was the anti-Reid. Won't force players to do what they can't do. Won't force a QB to run when they can't or throw where they can't. The offense will fit the talent on the team (McCoy!) and not the other way around. And he went out of his way to say he isn't just a one trick pony that will force his system even when it won't fit. The idea that he will import is the high temp game from the practices to field on game day. I loved the talk about the aggressive style and attitude.

Now of course its all up in the air and there are so many questions to be answered regarding coaching staff and who the QB will be but so far great IMO.

[Highboy]

Rodney_Zero, on 17 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

My point was "no NFL experience", there are "rare" exceptions, Harbaugh Played, & coached in the NFL pre SF, Jimmy Johnson's hurricanes ran a pro style system in college that could've beaten some NFL teams too

There isn't a college coach in history that actually ran a "pro style" offense, that is a total myth. Its not even close. Fact is, HAVING NFL experience doesn't work out for most coaches either, that is the point. You have no indication Chip will fail and you have no more indication that the coordinators you suggest would succeed. If all you have is "they have NFL experience", that isn't exactly a compelling argument. Most coaches in the NFL get fired Rodney, and most had NFL experience.

[Runtherock]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

Agreed, you can make the same case for Gus Bradley. The league is full of good coordinators who failed as head coaches.

bonetone1979, on 17 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Dave if you really believe that Kelly isn't a huge gamble you are clueless. You don't think hiring a guy with ZERO NFL experience who runs a gimmicky college offense which requires a mobile QB when the Eagles don't have one on their roster? You had better hope that the Eagles draft the second coming of RG3 or Kaepernick bc there is no way that Foles will be the guy running Kelly's offense. You don't think that hiring a coach with proven NFL success would be safer? Get real Dave. Maybe Kelly works out to be the next great coach but even a huge homer like you should agree that this move will either be amazingly good or might prove to be one of the worst hires in NFL history. I mean how many times do you see an NFL team hire a head coach and the same day an article goes up on NFL.com where the author states that it might go down as one of the worst moves ever?

http://www.nfl.com/n...-in-nfl-history

Your comment reveals your lack of research regarding Chip Kelly the coach, and his system.

[pgcd3]

DaveSpadaro, on 17 January 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

I'm not sure why Chip Kelly is any more "feast or famine" than another coach ... That doesn't make sense to me. He's the head coach. He has the same risks as any other coach. There is no guarantee either way ..

I agree. Any incorrect choice at coach sets the team back.

[PoconoDon]

pgcd3, on 17 January 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

I agree. Any incorrect choice at coach sets the team back.

I agree...but as a 4-12 team, even if he is a mistake, they really don't have too far to go to get to 0-16.