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[Akrobatik]

They seem to like our young QBs with potential. Patrick Peterson???

[Iggles]

I think Chip Kelly wants to work with Nick Foles, he is staying here. A head coach who is smart enough to alter an offense to talent that is not in the top 10 in college recruitment since he was coach knows what he's doing.   It's a big risk, but I'm beginning to get it.  Steve Spurrier took Snyder's money, and played golf.   Kelly has no kids on drugs, no wife, he just loves football.

[PhillyGreenMachine]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

They seem to like our young QBs with potential. Patrick Peterson???

Can we trade you? Only problem is that I don't know what the Eagles can get back of any worth for you...

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

They seem to like our young QBs with potential. Patrick Peterson???

Him, plus a first and third... Championship!

[Akrobatik]

But the fact remains foles doesn't have the skill set Kelly covets, I'm not saying Vick has to be the guy, but with the skill position players we have here. If chip really wanted to really give his offense a go in the nfl and see if it works, Mike behind center gives him the best shot to see what an nfl version would look like.

[baldbird]

Andy would give the most for Foles to play in KC

[Iggles]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

But the fact remains foles doesn't have the skill set Kelly covets, I'm not saying Vick has to be the guy, but with the skill position players we have here. If chip really wanted to really give his offense a go in the nfl and see if it works, Mike behind center gives him the best shot to see what an nfl version would look like.

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense.  If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

[PhillyGreenMachine]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense.  If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

I think Andy Reid would think outside the box, but he would always out-think himself when he didn't need to. Like he would play a badly ranked running team and because everyone thought he was going to run the ball, he just passed the ball 50 times because nobody expected him to do that.

Unfortunately he never overcommitted to the run when people thought he was going to pass.

[Iggles]

PhillyGreenMachine, on 17 January 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

I think Andy Reid would think outside the box, but he would always out-think himself when he didn't need to. Like he would play a badly ranked running team and because everyone thought he was going to run the ball, he just passed the ball 50 times because nobody expected him to do that.

Unfortunately he never overcommitted to the run when people thought he was going to pass.

Touche' Reid outsmarted himself many times.   Chip Kelly has no family, and he's dedicated to football.  I have to admit if Chip Kelly can out think the coach of the SF49ers, playing for the NFC Championship this Sunday, he deserves a shot in the NFL!

[Akrobatik]

baldbird, on 17 January 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

Andy would give the most for Foles to play in KC

what would you expect he'd give up for him?

[Akrobatik]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense.  If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

chip was complimentary of every player his teams went up against. coaches all give the same "give credit bs" after every game. He did it after they won the fiesta bowl too.  But that doesn't mean he's going to draft klein.

[dacaptn4u]

lol now foles is big ben lol look up ben's rookie year! lol man did u start watching football this year????

[Iggles]

dacaptn4u, on 17 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

lol now foles is big ben lol look up ben's rookie year! lol man did u start watching football this year????

I'm now sorry I mentioned his name. Stoic ****POCKET PASSING QB'S**** was my idea.   I didn't think some "psycho" years later would turn 2004 into a  Ben Roethlisberger Johnny Cash song.  Nick Foles is capable QB.  There's no point in cutting him.  Very simple.

[Iggles]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 03:12 AM, said:

chip was complimentary of every player his teams went up against. coaches all give the same "give credit bs" after every game. He did it after they won the fiesta bowl too.  But that doesn't mean he's going to draft klein.

Kelly actually said he was happy to be rid of Nick Foles.  Foles destroyed his Oregon defense.  I think Nick Foles has a job with the Eagles despite the NFL Network/ESPN Bulll****!

[zyzz]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 05:17 AM, said:

Kelly actually said he was happy to be rid of Nick Foles.  Foles destroyed his Oregon defense.  I think Nick Foles has a job with the Eagles despite the NFL Network/ESPN Bulll****!

lol.... oregon never got destroyed by foles and foles never beat oregon

[eephraim]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense.  If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

Why do people say this? Fact of the matter is he could just be a tall guy with no mobility. Let's HOPE he can adapt and implement an offense that Foles can work well in...but remember you have to consider the other personel. Like terrible oline and speedy outside WR's. Nothing like what Brady has in NE.

And you're giving Chip Kelly way too much credit for NE's offense. I think if they fired Josh McDaniels Brady might even put up BETTER numbers. He's that good. So lay off the comparisons between him and Foles. They don't stick.

[Abracadabra]

What would Arizona give us for Vick?

My guess is derisive laughter.

[flyerdog]

I imagine that Foles/Vick and the QB position in general was discusses in great length during the interview with Kelly. Chip made some very impressive comments about Nick (before Nick graduated).

If Chip is an innovator, as he is being touted as, he will make the best of what he has and not fit square pegs in round holes, which we have had for 14 years...wasn't that the point of Lurie's comments about not having a fixed system philosophy? And this is ultimately what cost Andy in the long run...being too rigid, inflexible, and stubborn.

The best coaches (Bellichik etc...) adapt their offenses to their players....Bill B. changs his offense without Gronk in the lineup, or without Welker in the lineup. Whereas Reid would have Damaris Johnson or our #3 WR run the same routes/patterns as Desean, and then we'd wonder why it didn't work.

The most important thing now is that Chip picks the right OC/DC..especially DC, because we are not THAT far off on Offense, a tweak here and there, the defense , of course, needs a complete overhaul.

[forevereagles]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

But the fact remains foles doesn't have the skill set Kelly covets, I'm not saying Vick has to be the guy, but with the skill position players we have here. If chip really wanted to really give his offense a go in the nfl and see if it works, Mike behind center gives him the best shot to see what an nfl version would look like.

Apparently you didn't read the post on what kind of QB's Kelly prefers. By the guy who watched every one of Kellys games during his time in Oregon. Vick does not come close to what Kelly likes in his QB's. He wants a QB with smarts. Someone who  can read a defense. Someone w ith a quick release , someone who doesn't put himself in situations to get hurt.

Does any of those characteristics discribe Vick to you? It sure don't to me. yes, he likes his QB's to have mobility   ( Foles demonstrated he does ...he just isn't as fleet footed as Vick) but prefers that they use their smarts more than their lower extremities (legs). Vick is NOT the  QB needed , no matter how much you, his fan club and the media hype machine  try to sell him to others.

[bobbywizdum]

forevereagles, on 17 January 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

Apparently you didn't read the post on what kind of QB's Kelly prefers. By the guy who watched every one of Kellys games during his time in Oregon. Vick does not come close to what Kelly likes in his QB's. He wants a QB with smarts. Someone who  can read a defense. Someone w ith a quick release , someone who doesn't put himself in situations to get hurt.

Does any of those characteristics discribe Vick to you? It sure don't to me. yes, he likes his QB's to have mobility   ( Foles demonstrated he does ...he just isn't as fleet footed as Vick) but prefers that they use their smarts more than their lower extremities (legs). Vick is NOT the  QB needed , no matter how much you try to sell him to others that he is.

couldn't agree more. the truth is if kelly is this great "innovative" upcoming offensive guru like he is proclaimed to be yet he can't build an offense around a pocket passer then that would be a direct contradiction. One interesting fact though is that vick and foles last year had the exact same amount of rushing td's and foles was from a much further distance. While he is certainly not swift he is certainly able to run for a first down in space which he has already demonstrated he has the ability to do. More importantly he has shown that he can ellude pressure, keep his eyes downfield,and throw accurately while on the move. That is a much much much bigger deal than being able to run. All that running got rgIII a nice 9 month rehab trip didn't it? You guys really want to continue in the direction of having your starter constantly injured again?

[Baynit]

PhillyGreenMachine, on 17 January 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Can we trade you? Only problem is that I don't know what the Eagles can get back of any worth for you...

maybe we can trade him to the jets and get Fireman Ed

[AceofSpades]

Here's where the problem is. Nobody knows what type of offense the Eagles will run. People think Foles is gone based on the Oregon offense. I've said time and time again, if Chip Kelly is this offensive mastermind or genius or innovator, he should be able to look at the personnel his team has and design an offensive scheme that will fit them. If his personnel isn't built to run the Oregon offense as it was constructed, he should be able to scrap it and move in a new direction.

[keith 75]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense. If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

Yes Yes...The Patriots owe's it all to Chip.

[SirReal]

Kolb

[phillygrump]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

They seem to like our young QBs with potential. Patrick Peterson???

Who would play QB for the Eagles then?

[deevo82]

Baynit, on 17 January 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

maybe we can trade him to the jets and get Fireman Ed

I want to punch that Fireman Ed guy in the face so much!!!

[AceofSpades]

Iggles, on 17 January 2013 - 01:34 AM, said:

You don't GET IT!!!  Kelly is not Andy Reid.  The more I learn about him the more I like him because he ADAPTS.   Foles is a Brady/Flacco/Big Ben type of QB. Chip Kelly respected Nick Foles destroying his Oregon defense.  If the Patriots can adapt Kelly's philosophy with Tom Brady, why not Nick Foles????  Kelly thinks "outside of the box", unlike the previous Eagles coach who needed instruction from a Green Bay Mike Holmgren notebook!!

The Patriots just wanted the principles of the hurry up/no huddle offense. It's not like New England took the entire Oregon offense and I think that's where people miss the point.

[corymon2]

gtfo vick slobber

[Nitro276]

Trading Foles.

TATErs are losing their minds.  This kid is going to be somwhere between a servicable starter and a pro bowler, and I think on the higher end.  The worst thing that can happen is trade him and watch him do it for some other team.

[EaglesCB37]

Akrobatik, on 17 January 2013 - 03:09 AM, said:

what would you expect he'd give up for him?

I bet if we packaged Foles with a truckload of Philly cheesesteaks Reid would hand us over the first overall pick in the NFL Draft.