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Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since 2004

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Last time they won was before everyone found out they cheated and I wouldn't be surprised if they cheated against the Eagles in 2004. I'm so pissed just knowing that it's possible we lost a SUPERBOWL because of cheating.......we'll never fully know I guess.

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Last time they won was before everyone found out they cheated and I wouldn't be surprised if they cheated against the Eagles in 2004. I'm so pissed just knowing that it's possible we lost a SUPERBOWL because of cheating.......we'll never fully know I guess.

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Vick 2 JMac just get over it already. What a stupid thing to be legitimately pissed about.

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Last time they won was before everyone found out they cheated and I wouldn't be surprised if they cheated against the Eagles in 2004. I'm so pissed just knowing that it's possible we lost a SUPERBOWL because of cheating.......we'll never fully know I guess.

Because "cheaters never prosper". :P

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This has been brought up every time there eliminated since spygate.If JJ would of adjusted to stop them Fing screens we would of probably won.

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They were actually criticizing Brady in the media last night a little bit, he's not showing up in the post season like he used to.

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They were actually criticizing Brady in the media last night a little bit, he's not showing up in the post season like he used to.

I wonder why...

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eagles havent won a superbowl since....ever

Nobody in history has won a superbowl.
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Pats don't have the D that they did back in the day.

That to me has been their downfall since SB39.

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Yeah Brady sucks in the post season. He's only been to 3 AFCCGS and 2 more SBs since 2004.

He's terrible. Everyone who is good wins every yr.

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Yeah Brady sucks in the post season. He's only been to 3 AFCCGS and 2 more SBs since 2004.

He's terrible. Everyone who is good wins every yr.

You gotta at least win once...without cheating.

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i love the "are the pats finished" talk. They have been in the super bowl twice (barely losing) and the AFC championship game another time since XXXIX. I mean it's not easy to win superbowls every year and they are damn close to it almost every season.

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i love the "are the pats finished" talk. They have been in the super bowl twice (barely losing) and the AFC championship game another time since XXXIX. I mean it's not easy to win superbowls every year and they are damn close to it almost every season.

Brady just chokes. It's hard when the Pats don't know what the other team is doing.

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Brady just chokes. It's hard when the Pats don't know what the other team is doing.

so do you have to win the super bowl every season to not choke? or lose while breaking passing records?He didnt have a good game yesterday but welker was dropping balls, ridley fumbled and the defense losing two starters in the secondary early made it an entirely different game. Not to mention he didnt have the best TE in the game. With Talib and Chung healthy they win that game because Boldin wouldnt run wild

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so do you have to win the super bowl every season to not choke? or lose while breaking passing records?He didnt have a good game yesterday but welker was dropping balls, ridley fumbled and the defense losing two starters in the secondary early made it an entirely different game. Not to mention he didnt have the best TE in the game. With Talib and Chung healthy they win that game because Boldin wouldnt run wild

No. He hasn't won a SB since Spygate...It has been much longer than 1 season.

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No. He hasn't won a SB since Spygate.

And look at the WR's he had when he won, then "think", then think about Bruschi, Mcginest, Ted Johnson, Ted Washington, Ty Law and then "think" 3 SB's won by a collective 9 points, and realize this, Goodell and Kraft are best friends = tapes destroyed so that the NFL is tainted like MLB with Steroids

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I forget what show was it on ESPN, but they asked the panel about Tom Brady not winning a ring since Spygate and that his playoff record before spygate was 12-2 and since then it's 5-5 (I think). Then one guys says that no one remembers spygate. LOL. How can we just dismiss the cheating? It's proven already that without cheating, NE most likely doesn't have the success that they currently do.

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. How can we just dismiss the cheating? ,

I already said it, Goodell & Kraft are best friends, it's that simple

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I already said it, Goodell & Kraft are best friends, it's that simple

but beyond that. The NFL can dismiss it, but fans don't have to, yet they do anyway.

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I forget what show was it on ESPN, but they asked the panel about Tom Brady not winning a ring since Spygate and that his playoff record before spygate was 12-2 and since then it's 5-5 (I think). Then one guys says that no one remembers spygate. LOL. How can we just dismiss the cheating? It's proven already that without cheating, NE most likely doesn't have the success that they currently do.

I thought Spygate was way over blown then, and I still think it is now. The Pats downfall started in 05 with their defense going south. People forget, the Pats didn't win a Super Bowl in the 2 seasons in between SB39, and 07 when Spygate came to light. The 05 Pats were beaten in the divisional round in Denver, and the 06 Pats were extremely fortunate to escape San Deigo in the divisional round, and wouldn't have if not for a dumbarse SD DB picking off a pass on a 4th down play, and then fumbling it back to NE. The following week, they blew a 21-6 halftime lead in Indy.

Their defense got old quick, and Belichick, (much like Reid, who inherited a lot of great defensive players), has not done very well replacing them, and yet, his offense, (which was supposed to be the beneficiary of Spygate), has actually been a lot better than any of their Super Bowl winning offenses has been since the filming stopped. They've also had late leads in their past 2 Super Bowls that the defense let slip away.

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i love the "are the pats finished" talk. They have been in the super bowl twice (barely losing) and the AFC championship game another time since XXXIX. I mean it's not easy to win superbowls every year and they are damn close to it almost every season.

Delete, for a moment, the three Super Bowls that they won and look at them from 2005 to the present. What would be said of them from that point of view? Would they be considered as highly as they are or would they be ranked with the Vikings and Bills as chokers?

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