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[sacook817]

Dave,

I just wanted to point out that we got away from what we always did in Philly.  For years, Andy believed in raising from within the draft.  We got into the habits of the Panthers or Redskins where you bring in bounty hunter position players to upgrade your team via Free Agency.  We lost track of balance between speed and power on BOTH sides of the LINE.  These 2 things became the catalyst of the dream team disaster.

We need to get back to doing things the way we use to, and begin building again.  I know many of you will not like to hear that, but that is how Championship Teams are created.  It is what it is folks.

[KOJO]

Pretty sure that's exactly what Kelly's doing.

It's a new day around here. Let's just let the Reid era die off into the past where it belongs.

[L.E.]

They had to go so FA heavy because they drafted bust after bust for so long. Had no choice.

[NOTW]

In other news, Andy hired Juan Castillo as O line coach. WTF?!

[owensaws]

NOTW, on 21 January 2013 - 11:48 PM, said:

In other news, Andy hired Juan Castillo as O line coach. WTF?!

What are you talking about?  He got hired by the Ravens and can we please let the AR era die now it is over and can't be rewritten

[PoconoDon]

The issue of player talent is always #1 in football.

Reid: 14 drafts and not one HOFer.....Not 1 player he drafted was ever a 2 time starter in the pro bowl.......in fact he had to name scrubs as starters in many instances. His track record was abysmal.

I agree that the Eagles need to build through the draft, but they have to be able to find stars there.....in bunches.....for a number of years in a row.....I hope they can now that Reid is out of the picture....we'll see soon enough.

[CT Eagle]

I can't belive Mj hasn't responed yet.  This is right in his wheelhouse.

[DaveSpadaro]

I think we all agree that the Eagles got off track from their early success for a variety of reasons. That said, I don't think the Eagles should ignore free agency or making trades. They just have to have a better chemistry and more talent and better coaching. It all fell apart pretty fast. To me, the play at QB is one of the huge regressions.  Too many bad decisions and turnovers.

[mjkvol]

CT Eagle, on 22 January 2013 - 09:19 AM, said:

I can't belive Mj hasn't responed yet.  This is right in his wheelhouse.

What more can be said?       A few of us have been saying the same damn things for 5-6 years - for whatever reason, the rest of the fan base needed to get bludgeoned with a 4-12 to finally wake the f***k up to reality.

[mjkvol]

DaveSpadaro, on 22 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

I think we all agree that the Eagles got off track from their early success for a variety of reasons. That said, I don't think the Eagles should ignore free agency or making trades. They just have to have a better chemistry and more talent and better coaching. It all fell apart pretty fast. To me, the play at QB is one of the huge regressions.  Too many bad decisions and turnovers.

It didn't fall apart that fast, Dave. This had been building for years, and Reid managed to apply band aids as temporary solutions for a while - but things like chemistry and team effort don't go away overnight.

Many of us saw the hideous drafting that caused the rush into free agency that numbskull fans applauded as a positive move somehow, despite it never having worked in the history of the league. You obviously weren't going to say a critical thing, but it's hard to fathom that you could be remotely conscious and not see the degradation of the product here since 2007.

[sacook817]

To better days in Philadelphia!!!  Raise you glass Eagles fans!  A new day is among us.  I am stoked to be a fan once again.  It will be exciting to see how Chip customizes his system to fit these players.  It's exciting to see how the players respond knowing NO one is safe in that locker room.  I am pumped up, and finally, FINALLY...truly looking forward to our best draft in a LONG time.

[LacesOut]

sacook817, on 22 January 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

To better days in Philadelphia!!!  Raise you glass Eagles fans!  A new day is among us.  I am stoked to be a fan once again.  It will be exciting to see how Chip customizes his system to fit these players.  It's exciting to see how the players respond knowing NO one is safe in that locker room.  I am pumped up, and finally, FINALLY...truly looking forward to our best draft in a LONG time.

Right here!

Also, AR liked the taste of the FA splash because they did have success with a mini-version splash in the signing of TO and Kearse.  So he just kept thinking all that was needed was to add some vets at key spots and viola, Eagles would be back in the SB.

[NOTW]

owensaws, on 22 January 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

What are you talking about?  He got hired by the Ravens and can we please let the AR era die now it is over and can't be rewritten

I'm talking about old news.  The OP made a point that everyone has known for years or at least this past year.  No point in talking about it now, they have made their change and moved on and Howie and Lurie stated specifically that they are going to get back to building through the draft and maintaining team chemistry.

To your last point about letting the AR era die, you should direct that at the OP.  Again, that's my point.  OP was rehashing the bad decisions we all know about.  Old news.

[mjkvol]

LacesOut, on 22 January 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Also, AR liked the taste of the FA splash because they did have success with a mini-version splash in the signing of TO and Kearse.  So he just kept thinking all that was needed was to add some vets at key spots and viola, Eagles would be back in the SB.

Even though no one had ever built a winning roster through free agency before?     Think there might be a bit more than coincidence in that fact?

You can't compare adding one player on each side of the ball to an already solid team to filling gaping holes everywhere caused by inferior drafts.

Will the rationalization of Reid's failures never f****ng end?!?!

[NOTW]

Yeah, it's not like free agency is all bad.  You add a free agent here and there to help plug some holes.  It's usually best for depth or adding a piece of the puzzle but not usually THE move that puts your team over the top.  Like the Ravens adding Boldin.  Solid pickup, they needed a good WR.

The Eagles did try to build through the draft, but they were awful at defensive drafting and were desperate for help.  Cullen Jenkins and Derek Landri worked out, those were 2 good pickups.  DRC at the time made sense, especially getting a 2nd rounder also.  Not all their FA moves that offseason were bad.  They just got drunk on salary cap space.

[mjkvol]

NOTW, on 22 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

The Eagles did try to build through the draft, but they were awful at defensive drafting and were desperate for help.  

You just stated a reason that changes are made in the front office or whoever is doing personnel, not signing every free agent on the market believing that would be the solution.       Did no one learn from the Redskins doing the exact same thing?

If you already have a solid roster, like the Ravens, and like us in 2004, you can add 1-2 players to bolster key positions.      If your roster sucks from hideous drafting, then you fire the people responsible and bring new people in.     It's very simple.

[NOTW]

mjkvol, on 22 January 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

You just stated a reason that changes are made in the front office or whoever is doing personnel, not signing every free agent on the market believing that would be the solution.    Did no one learn from the Redskins doing the exact same thing?

If you already have a solid roster, like the Ravens, and like us in 2004, you can add 1-2 players to bolster key positions.   If your roster sucks from hideous drafting, then you fire the people responsible and bring new people in. It's very simple.

I agree.  But they decided to go FA crazy instead of hold anyone accountable to "do a better job."  

We'll see what happens.  2012 was a good draft.  Lurie has put Roseman on notice now.  He is giving him the credit for 2012, excusing him from blame for 2010 and 2011 and crediting him with nabbing Chip Kelly.  They say they're going to go BPA in early rounds and build through the draft.

It's a new era and I'm willing to be patient to see if it works out.  I like the 2012 draft so far and re-signing the guys they did, as well as trading for Ryans.  That's the kind of one additional outside piece that makes sense, when you have a need you haven't been able to draft for a long time and have a chance to get a solid player.

[BtotheH]

NOTW, on 22 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Yeah, it's not like free agency is all bad.  You add a free agent here and there to help plug some holes.  It's usually best for depth or adding a piece of the puzzle but not usually THE move that puts your team over the top.  Like the Ravens adding Boldin.  Solid pickup, they needed a good WR.

The Eagles did try to build through the draft, but they were awful at defensive drafting and were desperate for help.  Cullen Jenkins and Derek Landri worked out, those were 2 good pickups.  DRC at the time made sense, especially getting a 2nd rounder also.  Not all their FA moves that offseason were bad.  They just got drunk on salary cap space.

Yea I agree, as an organization we just went from bad drafting, to bad FA moves to bad decisions for our own FA's. They were just bad moves, the idea was right but they just failed.

Our draft days ahead of us have to get better, I cannot express how much it bothers me to see other teams with pro bowl players who were either drafted after the 2nd round and/or picked up from the CFL. Now a days you draft 1st and 2nd round for those guys to jump right in and get going, they may take OTA's and Camp to get going but by mid-season you want to see these guys making plays, if not sooner than that.

We just have to get better at drafting and picking/choosing what FA's to go after.

I look forward to this offseason, almost the happiest I have been as an Eagles fan in the past 3-4 years. New coach, new faces, new plans and hopefully the players react to this as well with new attitudes.

[NOTW]

B, I wasn't sold on Chip Kelly at first but the more I hear from him the more excited I get about the possibilities.  It may not work, we'll see.  But it's like taking a top draft pick, you have high hopes that it will work out.  If nothing else, it will re-engage a fanbase for a while.

[LacesOut]

mjkvol, on 22 January 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Even though no one had ever built a winning roster through free agency before? Think there might be a bit more than coincidence in that fact?

You can't compare adding one player on each side of the ball to an already solid team to filling gaping holes everywhere caused by inferior drafts.

Will the rationalization of Reid's failures never f****ng end?!?!

Da F you talking about?? What I am trying to rationalize from my post??

I'm saying that King Andy might have gotten a little bit of the FA fever from the Kearse and TO signing.  So he kept on signing FA's.  Do you understand that rationalization or not??

[mjkvol]

BtotheH, on 22 January 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Yea I agree, as an organization we just went from bad drafting, to bad FA moves to bad decisions for our own FA's. They were just bad moves, the idea was right but they just failed.

The idea wasn't right!      Drafting incompetently to that point should have led to Reid's firing years earlier, not allowed him a blank check to patch up the holes caused by his ineptness!   Failure was the only option - you don't build NFL teams like it's f****ng Madden.

[mjkvol]

LacesOut, on 22 January 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Da F you talking about?? What I am trying to rationalize from my post??

I'm saying that King Andy might have gotten a little bit of the FA fever from the Kearse and TO signing.  So he kept on signing FA's.  Do you understand that rationalization or not??

He got "FA fever" from adding two players in 2004 to a good team, so he decided to build the core of a team that way 5-6 years later?

The point is that it wasn't "FA Fever", it was the desperation of a coach who had failed to build a roster the way that good teams do, through the draft.