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[GoEagles614]

Let's get serious about these mocks.
- Everyone is picking the same 7-10 players in the draft.
- Everyone is trading with St. Louis as if the Rams want to play hot hands with high draft picks.
- Everyone thinks the Eagles are going to go All out for Free Agents.

Time for a new mock Fellas!
I will be doing two different Mocks, one in the 3-4, one in 4-3; Since we don't know who the DC will be.

3-4 Mock Off-Season:

Cuts:
Colt Anderson
Daryll Tapp
Derek Landri
Akeem Jordan
King Dunlap
Demetress Bell

Re-Sign:

Jon Dorenbos
DRC

DRC comes back because Chip Kelly loves fast players. DRC is exactly  that. I feel that DRC will look better on this team with an attacking style defense, and safety help. In a 3-4 you have more athletes on the field, and the Eagles will create turnovers with nice blitzing packages.

I'm not going to guess on restructuring.

Free Agency 3-4:

OT Brandon Keith: Depth
NT Maake Komeatu - Vet NT to come in at the position he knows.
S Pat Chung. - Physical Safety that the Eagles are lacking. He will be an enforcer to this team (not Bernard Pollard) and will make the unnecessary tackles that we've been whiffing on. Again, another starter that comes in pretty cheap. Chip Kelly pulls for him?
S- Micheal Mitchell - Comes from a smaller school (ohio U). Had a couple of good plays for the Raiders, some physical hits, good breakups, and is an instant improvement over any of our backups, possibly takes over for Coleman or Allen. Fast player as well.
CB Aqib Talib. showed he was a good CB all year, just needs to stay healthy and out of trouble. Good size, and can play on the line. Making Nnamdi a rover type player.  

As you can see from my Free Agency pickups, outside of Talib none of these are certified starters in their systems as of now. Eagles will upgrade their Safeties at a VERY low price in Chung and Mitchell. Making Coleman a nice backup and great ST player. And Nate seeing his way out in a year or two.

Draft:

Eagles trade pick #4 to the Bills for #8 and #41. The Bills had a glimpse of greatness in 2011-2012, they went on a crazy winning streak, and looked unstoppable at points. With a poor performing QB, and lack of pass rush the Bills jump to #4 to draft (Geno Smith, Jarvis Jones, or one of the premier DEs.

With the Eagles having so many points of weakness, and in the rebuilding movement, it is not unusual to see them try to stockpile picks for the new Coaching Regime.

At pick # 8 the Tampa Bay Buccs are blowing the Eagle's phones up. They trade #13, 3rd and 4th pick to the Eagles to hop over San Diego, Tennessee, and Miami to select the best coverage CB in the drat, Dee Milliner from Alabama.

At Pick #13 the Eagles draft Johnothan Hankins DT/NT Ohio State.
At Pick #35 the Eagles Draft Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
At Pick #41 the Eagles draft  Kyle Long OT Oregon

Eagles trade two 3rds to move up into the 2nd. They contact the Rams at 46 to give them two 3rds for their 2nd.

At Pick #46 the Eagles draft Alex Okafor OLB Texas - 3-4 Pass rusher.
At Pick #98 the Eagles draft Micheal Buchannon OLB Illinois - 3-4 LB/nickel DE
At Pick #109 the Eagles draft Omoregie Uzzi OG Georgia Tech
At Pick #129 the Eagles draft Sanders Commings CB Georgia
At Pick #162 the Eagles draft Quin Sharp P Oklahoma St.
At Pick #194 the Eagles draft Devonte Holloman S/OLB.

4-3:
Cuts:
Colt Anderson
Daryll Tapp
Derek Landri
Akeem Jordan
King Dunlap
Demetress Bell

Re-Sign:

Jon Dorenbos
DRC

Free Agency

OT Brandon Keith: Depth
OLB DeAndre Levy, big Physical LB.
S Pat Chung. - Physical Safety that the Eagles are lacking. He will be an enforcer to this team (not Bernard Pollard) and will make the unnecessary tackles that we've been whiffing on. Again, another starter that comes in pretty cheap. Chip Kelly pulls for him?
S- Micheal Mitchell - Comes from a smaller school (ohio U). Had a couple of good plays for the Raiders, some physical hits, good breakups, and is an instant improvement over any of our backups, possibly takes over for Coleman or Allen. Fast player as well.
CB Aqib Talib. showed he was a good CB all year, just needs to stay healthy and out of trouble. Good size, and can play on the line. Making Nnamdi a rover type player.  

Draft:

At pick # 4 the Tampa Bay Buccs are blowing the Eagle's phones up. They trade #13, 3rd and 4th and 2014 2nd and 5th pick to the Eagles to hop over San Diego, Tennessee, and Miami to select the best coverage CB in the drat, Dee Milliner from Alabama.

At Pick #13 the Eagles draft Johnothan Hankins DT/NT Ohio State.
At Pick #35 the Eagles Draft Kyle Long OT Oregon
At Pick #67 the Eagles draft E.J Manuel QB Flordida State
At Pick #73 the Eagles draft Stedman Bailey WR WVU
At Pick #98 the Eagles draft William Gholston DE Michign St.
At Pick #109 the Eagles draft Omoregie Uzzi OG Georgia Tech
At Pick #129 the Eagles draft Sanders Commings CB Georgia
At Pick #162 the Eagles draft Quin Sharp P Oklahoma St.
At Pick #194 the Eagles draft Devonte Holloman S/OLB

Hankins can play any interior DL position, he's fast enough and has the skills to be a pass rushing DT in the 4-3. He can also be an excellent run stopper, and will demand a double team.
Kyle Long played under Chip Kelly at Oregon, and is used to an up-tempo offense.
I think Pass-Rushers are important in any scheme, thus bringing in William Gholston or the duo of Micheal Buchannon and Alex Okafor.
E.J Manuel is the only QB in the draft that I'm confident can run an option attack, but still throw accurately. Combining him with Stedman Bailey and an improved O-Line should bring this offense to greatness.
In the 3-4 situation bringing in Eifert is a way to get Foles or Vick a big body option, and would make this offense run a bit smoother as a high end weapon.
Omoregie Uzzi OG Georgia Tech - An athletic OG that is pretty mobile for his size. Fits well in Chip's O
Sanders Commings CB Georgia - Big bodied CB who can press at the line, tackle, he takes over as a true Nickel CB.
Quin Sharp P Oklahoma St. - Obvious Reasons
Devonte Holloman S/OLB. - This guy is different. He played 3 years of S and then his senior year he played at LB. Could be a great weapon for us on defense, he could run with tight ends, as well as help stopping the run. Could be a nice LB in the Nickel or Dime packages. Great combination of Speed, Size, and instincts.

Depth Charts

3-4///4-3
QB: Vick, Foles, Random FA //// Vick, Foles, Manuel
RB: McCoy, Brown, Lewis, Polk
FB: Havilli
WR: Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Johnson, Cooper, McNutt ////// Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Bailey, Cooper
TE: Celek, Eifert, Harbor ///// Celek, Harbor.
OL: Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Herremans, Long
DL: Cox, Hankins, Jenkins ////// Cole, Hankins, Cox, Graham
LB: Graham, Kendricks, Ryans, Okafor ///// Levy, Ryans, Kendricks
CB: DRC, Talib, Aso, Commings/Boykin //////
S: Chung, Mitchell
K Henerey
P Sharp
KR/PR: Bailey, Brown

[Shutdown Sheldon]

So we have DRC, Nnamdi and Talib? That's a lot of money at corner, and none of them are worth their contracts.

[GoEagles614]

Shutdown Sheldon, on 22 January 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

So we have DRC, Nnamdi and Talib? That's a lot of money at corner, and none of them are worth their contracts.

I'm assuming Nnamdi's days are limited, they will restructure or trade him I;m assuming. But I have no idea what is fair to him or the organization. Where DRC and Talib could be a duo of the future.

[ThaPhenom]

good lord i hate your 3-4 draft

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actually i hate them both, but ill give you credit on the Commings pick.. i like him so far

you got too caught up trying to be different for other people that you totally missed on you picks.... there are reasons why those names are so common

[Footballman175]

In both drafts you have Hankins?

[GoEagles614]

Footballman175, on 22 January 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

In both drafts you have Hankins?

Yes. He's a versatile DT. Can play either way, and make a huge impact.

ThaPhenom, on 22 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

good lord i hate your 3-4 draft

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actually i hate them both, but ill give you credit on the Commings pick.. i like him so far

you got too caught up trying to be different for other people that you totally missed on you picks.... there are reasons why those names are so common

Just seeing a different side of the eagles mocks. I have one that's like everyone else's, but it's getting boring reading the same players over and over lol.

[Asiragusa]

Same thought here.  If we signed a nose tackle in Komeatu for the 34 why would we draft Hankins.  Add in Cox and Jenkins and the 3 man D-line could be really good without Hankins

I like the idea of trying some different scenarios though, keeps things interesting

[GoEagles614]

Asiragusa, on 22 January 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Same thought here.  If we signed a nose tackle in Komeatu for the 34 why would we draft Hankins.  Add in Cox and Jenkins and the 3 man D-line could be really good without Hankins

Komoeatu is 34 years old, he's primarily coming in to be a mentor, and a veteran presence on the 3-4 DL. We'd draft Hankins as our future of the DL, and Komoeatu would be around a year or two.

You can't just expect one Nose Tackle for an entire season, every snap. That's why we'd have Hankins as a primary starter, and Komoeatu subbing in and out.

Also Hankins can flourish in any system wether we go 3-4, 4-3, or even pass rush in nickel and dime situation. Would command a double team.

[GoEagles614]

Asiragusa, on 22 January 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

I like the idea of trying some different scenarios though, keeps things interesting

That's my goal. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm sick of seeing:

Rams trade two first we get Dion Jordan and Xavier, then we get a OL from Bama. Then Elam or Vacarro, and then Gerald Hodges, then Tyrann, then Ray Ray, and of course Barner and Denard Robinson.

[dawk1977]

I would rather have sheldon richardson of missouri in the first.

[Mr.BigKnuckles]

I like the stedman bailey pick. Big strong great hands not afraid to run over the middle. Like most of WR's in this class not all that fast though. No way we have those 3 cb's on our roster. Why would Eagles get rid of Colt Anderson. He was arguably their best player in 2012?

I like the different mix of players in your draft. Don't you think a 4th overall pick deserves more than other teams 1st and 2nd round picks? Just asking...

[GoEagles614]

Mr.BigKnuckles, on 23 January 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

I like the stedman bailey pick. Big strong great hands not afraid to run over the middle. Like most of WR's in this class not all that fast though. No way we have those 3 cb's on our roster. Why would Eagles get rid of Colt Anderson. He was arguably their best player in 2012?

I like the different mix of players in your draft. Don't you think a 4th overall pick deserves more than other teams 1st and 2nd round picks? Just asking...

In this years draft the top 5 isn't even close to some of the prospects in years passed. This is a weaker top 10 than last year. Value changes each draft, and I don't think there's 1 certified star that is in the top 5. MAYBE Joekel.

Colt Anderson will never be a top player. He was a bright spot on a roster that had given up. With the intention to strengthen the safety spot, it's easier to let him walk than cut someone that's still in contract.

I think the 3 safeties aren't that extreme. DRC and Nnamdi know they're not going to get paid what they want because of poor performance. Talib will sign somewhere for about 2-5 million a year.

dawk1977, on 22 January 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

I would rather have sheldon richardson of missouri in the first.

He'd be a great nose tackle. No.

He's a pass rushing DT, we need a run stopper, and someone who can control the line.

[NWMontana]

First off the team is thin at DT....  Jenkins/Patterson will be history.   We have gone way too long without a large high quality DT on the team.   Hankins will demand a double freeing Cox/Thorton/Graham to make plays, also frees up our MIKE to locate the ball.

Okfor has great value and ya never have enough pass-rushers.

Your on the right track.....  

Had better add an OL or two via FA with both your mocks......

The way Eric Fisher is killing DE's,   It may be time to trade Peters for a second.

[GoEagles614]

NWMontana, on 23 January 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

First off the team is thin at DT....  Jenkins/Patterson will be history.   We have gone way too long without a large high quality DT on the team.   Hankins will demand a double freeing Cox/Thorton/Graham to make plays, also frees up our MIKE to locate the ball.

Okfor has great value and ya never have enough pass-rushers.

Your on the right track.....  

Had better add an OL or two via FA with both your mocks......

The way Eric Fisher is killing DE's,   It may be time to trade Peters for a second.

I forgot about cutting Patterson, I'll make small edit for that. Thanks for pointing that out

I think Fisher will move up to the 1st round, and give up on Peters already? That's crazy.

Hankins may be the best DT in the draft when it's all said and done. At OSU he had 2-3 blocker assigned to him ever down. He's not a stay sheet stuffer, but he demands respect.

I love Okafor and Buchannon as 3-4 pass rushers. They're dominant off the edge. Great size as well.

[LuciusLeftFoot]

I like that you went in a different direction with the picks, and didn't stick with the OL/DB/DB cookie-cutter draft that everyone seems to be following. I just don't particularly like the picks.

On the bright side, you know how to change the font, so that's something.

[Novak3685]

That's a terrible offseason. If I had an ideal offseason it'd be this.

CUTS - Nnamdi, Vick, Bell, Dunlap, Patterson, Jordan,DRC
SIGN- Jarious Byrd, Sebastian Volmer, Jared Cook,

Trade 1st and 3 rd to AZ for their 1st and 2nd. They need Joeckle badly.
1- Dee Millner
2- Eric Reid
2- Xavier Rhodes
4-EJ Manuel
5-Michael Buchanan
6- Kwame Geathers
7- a guard.

[Asiragusa]

Novak3685, on 29 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

That's a terrible offseason. If I had an ideal offseason it'd be this.

CUTS - Nnamdi, Vick, Bell, Dunlap, Patterson, Jordan,DRC
SIGN- Jarious Byrd, Sebastian Volmer, Jared Cook,

Trade 1st and 3 rd to AZ for their 1st and 2nd. They need Joeckle badly.
1- Dee Millner
2- Eric Reid
2- Xavier Rhodes
4-EJ Manuel
5-Michael Buchanan
6- Kwame Geathers
7- a guard.

You have players in this draft that won't be there like Rhodes and Geathers, and Byrd isn't leaving Buffalo.  Keep your mocks realistic

[GoEagles614]

Novak3685, on 29 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

That's a terrible offseason. If I had an ideal offseason it'd be this.

CUTS - Nnamdi, Vick, Bell, Dunlap, Patterson, Jordan,DRC
SIGN- Jarious Byrd, Sebastian Volmer, Jared Cook,

Trade 1st and 3 rd to AZ for their 1st and 2nd. They need Joeckle badly.
1- Dee Millner
2- Eric Reid
2- Xavier Rhodes
4-EJ Manuel
5-Michael Buchanan
6- Kwame Geathers
7- a guard.

Right. At the top did you realize I was being original. As to where you weren't.

Also I don't think you just pay Nnamdi and Vick to leave. That's a hell of a lot of money, just to cut people. Not going to happen. Jared cook is inconsistent

[Asiragusa]

GoEagles614, on 29 January 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

Right. At the top did you realize I was being original. As to where you weren't.

Also I don't think you just pay Nnamdi and Vick to leave. That's a hell of a lot of money, just to cut people. Not going to happen. Jared cook is inconsistent

This is well said.  Novak3685, don't come and hate other people's mock drafts and then post an unrealistic and unoriginal mock in the comments for their mock.  It's annoying

[Novak3685]

I'm unrealistic when the guy has us trading Nnamdi, keeping foles, Vick and drafting a QB. Thats a ton of $ and a further distraction to keep Vick around . Long is not a second round pick. Jared cook is a big demanding te who has also been in a lack luster offense and still had a decent year. Celek...that's inconsistency. Why would Byrd stay in buffalo if we offer more $?

[Eagle Gator 12]

Novak3685, on 05 February 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

I'm unrealistic when the guy has us trading Nnamdi, keeping foles, Vick and drafting a QB. Thats a ton of $ and a further distraction to keep Vick around . Long is not a second round pick. Jared cook is a big demanding te who has also been in a lack luster offense and still had a decent year. Celek...that's inconsistency. Why would Byrd stay in buffalo if we offer more $?

There's this thing called a franchise tag and they can't leave to go somewhere else if he's getting it and he will of they don't get a deal done. Come on, this board was off the Byrd train about week 10 of the season.

[GoEagles614]

Novak3685, on 05 February 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

I'm unrealistic when the guy has us trading Nnamdi, keeping foles, Vick and drafting a QB. Thats a ton of $ and a further distraction to keep Vick around . Long is not a second round pick. Jared cook is a big demanding te who has also been in a lack luster offense and still had a decent year. Celek...that's inconsistency. Why would Byrd stay in buffalo if we offer more $?

Lets do a quick football lesson;

There's this thing called free agency, players with expiring contract will be able to be signed by other teams; unless, their home team franchise tags them or resigns them to and extension  

When you look at Buffalo, Andy Levitre and Jarius Byrd are their top FAs. One will probably get signed before march, the other either signed, or tagged. no other team can inquire, talk to the player or his agent, until free agency opens. And that's why Byrd Stays in Buffalo because we can't "OFFER MORE" before free agency even starts.

Yes I would agree Celek is incosistent, but you don't cut every inconsistent player on your roster. My point is the Eagles have a TE that gets the jobs done here and there, why bring in a player that is going to want starter pay, who is inconsistent. I'd rather take a chance on a rookie that's cheap, can be coached from the ground up, and who can contribute to this team weekly.

I don't remember trading Nnamdi.

Nick Foles and Micheal Vick will be eagles next year. Nick Foles isn't expensive to keep around, and Vick will restructure. Chip probably feels he's going to get the best out of Vick.

Yes I drafted a QB, why?

Well, of Vick doesn't pan out for the 2013-2014 season, he will most likely be cut. Vick was kept through 2013 probably because he's an athletic QB. Thus the choice to Bring in EJ Manuel to play QB in chips system because Foles isn't athletic.

You can look at next years draft and see two top 5 QBs (if the declare) that could play here, but I see chip winning more games.

In my mocks I use various sources for projections: CBS Sports, Walterfootball, NFL draft scout, and Footballs future at times: at the time all of them had Kyle in the 2nd. CBS Sports, draft scout, still have him in the 2nd. Where Walter has 3rd.

Lastly I said I was being original, you weren't. Notice the thread topic.

[phillygrump]

Novak3685, on 05 February 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

I'm unrealistic when the guy has us trading Nnamdi, keeping foles, Vick and drafting a QB. Thats a ton of $ and a further distraction to keep Vick around . Long is not a second round pick. Jared cook is a big demanding te who has also been in a lack luster offense and still had a decent year. Celek...that's inconsistency. Why would Byrd stay in buffalo if we offer more $?

Its also unrealistic to sign the top FA safety and draft 3 straight DBs with the first 3 picks of the draft and then a QB.