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[CousinVinny]

Seems the hate for Vick is almost as much as it was when he was signed in 2009 if not worse

Some of you already have Vick out the door, but that's just wishful thinking given the type of offense Chip Kelly runs, there is a legit shot that Vick is back on the Eagles

So for all the people who loathe Vick and have him just slightly below Adolf Hitler on their all-time hate list,  will you follow a new team if Vick is back?

Would you rather lose with another QB than win with Vick?

I'm convince some of you would rather be irrelevant with another QB than even win a Super Bowl if Vick was at the helm

[PhillyBirds5_36_86]

Those stands will be packed even if Doug Pederson was the qb

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Would you rather lose with another QB than win with Vick?

Weird question.  I don't think anyone wants the team to lose unless they are eliminated from the playoffs for a better draft pick.


Regardless of that point the team hasn't won much of anything with Vick.  He literally played/looked like one of the worst starting QB's in the NFL last season so to assume the team will win with him, and lose with someone else is  a crazy notion.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

If we win games with Vick at QB, it is most likely in spite of him rather than because of him. See: Ravens and Browns games.

[gameshowfan91]

Yes, but I probably won't like it.

[LaxPlayerX3]

It'll be hard and it will make me feel like we already made the wrong choice at HC.

[CousinVinny]

Vick has the highest passer rating and completion percentage in Eagles history

And that's without a good offensive line in 2012 or good coaching in 2011 and 2012

He could have both next year.    Why not give the new cast the benefit of the doubt?

[gameshowfan91]

LaxPlayerX3, on 23 January 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

It'll be hard and it will make me feel like we already made the wrong choice at HC.

Same here.

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Vick has the highest passer rating and completion percentage in Eagles history

Garica's rating with the eagles = 95.8  completion % 61.7
Vick's rating with the eagles = 87.8  completion % = 60.1

http://www.pro-footb.../G/GarcJe00.htm
http://www.pro-footb.../V/VickMi00.htm


and Garcia was 37 years old without the precious first string training camp reps people said would change vick this year.

Vick also has 35 starts here with 30ints, and 32 fumbles.

[CousinVinny]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 23 January 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Garica's rating with the eagles = 95.8  completion % 61.7
Vick's rating with the eagles = 87.8  completion % = 60.1

http://www.pro-footb.../G/GarcJe00.htm
http://www.pro-footb.../V/VickMi00.htm


and Garcia was 37

The qualification was someone who has at least actually started a full season

Garcia didn't start 16 games for the Eagles.   He didn't even start 8

And the fact that even if one use Garcia to pad the numbers, the fact that Vick is that high again WITHOUT an Oline in 2012 and without competent coaching, shows how great Vick could be with both in 2013.

Vick could be a top 5 QB with a coach with a clue and a solid Oline

For starters that Chip Kelly offense will pad Vick's stats with those bubble screens in much the same way of Washington's offense with RGIII

And overall the whole passing attack will be more favorable to Vick with the aerial assault after running all over defenses with the zone read

[Vick 2 JMac]

Yes but I would expect a loss every week.

[Footballman175]

The bridges in philly would be busy

[CousinVinny]

Vick 2 JMac, on 23 January 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Yes but I would expect a loss every week.

For the opposing team I presume

Vick in the Chip Kelly offens would run all over NFL defenses.    Those out of shape linemen are going to be faking injuries all over the place

[heavywchamp]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Seems the hate for Vick is almost as much as it was when he was signed in 2009 if not worse

Some of you already have Vick out the door, but that's just wishful thinking given the type of offense Chip Kelly runs, there is a legit shot that Vick is back on the Eagles

So for all the people who loathe Vick and have him just slightly below Adolf Hitler on their all-time hate list,  will you follow a new team if Vick is back?

Would you rather lose with another QB than win with Vick?

I'm convince some of you would rather be irrelevant with another QB than even win a Super Bowl if Vick was at the helm

I know you're not trolling and and asking a legit question but unfortunately this thread will end in a riots and Vick bashing.  Hopefully the mods will lock this thread shortly before it get to that point.  99% would rather go 0-16 with Foles or any other pocket QB than make the playoffs and advance with Vick.

[mav81]

I have season tickets. I find the level of hate for Vick exists mainly on this board. I don't find that level of animosity out in the real world, or at the games. Not saying it doesn't exist, but the venom in this place is off the charts.

[Netherscourge]

He just isn't a real quarterback. He can't read defenses and he doesn't go through progressions.

And, btw... He is getting run down by defensive lineman now. He doesn't have the legs he had  2 years ago anymore.

He will fail in Kelly's system because there is a lot of thinking required at the line of scrimmage, unlike in Andy Reid's system. He'll fail miserably in that pistol offense or whatever you call it.

Vick is done. Cut his rear end and move forward.

[CousinVinny]

mav81, on 23 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

I have season tickets. I find the level of hate for Vick exists mainly on this board. I don't find that level of animosity out in the real world, or at the games. Not saying it doesn't exist, but the venom in this place is off the charts.

I listen to Philly Radio and it seems the hate is there too

Those guys want Vick the heck out of town on all those channels.

[eaglesflyers#1]

Anyone that wouldnt support the Eagles should probably not waste time on the Eagles Message Board, or being a fan in general

[CousinVinny]

Netherscourge, on 23 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

He just isn't a real quarterback. He can't read defenses and he doesn't go through progressions.

And, btw... He is getting run down by defensive lineman now. He doesn't have the legs he had  2 years ago anymore.

He will fail in Kelly's system because there is a lot of thinking required at the line of scrimmage, unlike in Andy Reid's system. He'll fail miserably in that pistol offense or whatever you call it.

Vick is done. Cut his rear end and move forward.

Name a running QB that's never been run down by a defensive lineman at one point in a season?

If you say RGIII, Russell Wilson, Kaepernick etc you're a liar.  Because they have all been run down at some point

Vick came into the league at a 4.33 40 time.   You honestly think he runs like a 4.8 now?  Of course he doesn't.    He still is faster than just about every other QB in NFL history except RGIII

[DawkinsOwnage03]

Another clone?

[Vick 2 JMac]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

For the opposing team I presume

Vick in the Chip Kelly offens would run all over NFL defenses. Those out of shape linemen are going to be faking injuries all over the place

Unfortunately Vick has lost a couple of steps.

[mav81]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

I listen to Philly Radio and it seems the hate is there too

Those guys want Vick the heck out of town on all those channels.

You're right....WIP has that animosity too. I often wonder where all these people come from. I don't hear this stuff at work, at games, out and about, etc.

[CousinVinny]

eaglesflyers#1, on 23 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

Anyone that wouldnt support the Eagles should probably not waste time on the Eagles Message Board, or being a fan in general

Well said

BTW, can someone name the QBs who can't read a defense who ever had a 100 passer rating in a season

Or who have their franchises best career passer rating or completion percentage?

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

The qualification was someone who has at least actually started a full season

Guess Vick doesn't qualify then  Must have missed when he started a full season here...

2009..no

2010..no

2011...no

2012...no

[CousinVinny]

mav81, on 23 January 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

You're right....WIP has that animosity too. I often wonder where all these people come from. I don't hear this stuff at work, at games, ou and about, etc.

WIP and 97.5 the Fanatic is even worse.

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 23 January 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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When did Vick start a full season?  Must have missed that one...

Nice one.  It's talking career on the Eagles.

But I understand you're trying to side step the embarassing stat that Vick has the Eagles best completion percentage and passer rating in history

All for a guy who can't read a defense and is too dumb to play QB according to his detractors

[heavywchamp]

mav81, on 23 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

I have season tickets. I find the level of hate for Vick exists mainly on this board. I don't find that level of animosity out in the real world, or at the games. Not saying it doesn't exist, but the venom in this place is off the charts.

TATErs are smarter and than everybody else

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:14 PM, said:

I listen to Philly Radio and it seems the hate is there too

Those guys want Vick the heck out of town on all those channels.

Those callers are Vick bashers from TATE

[CousinVinny]

heavywchamp, on 23 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

TATErs are smarter and than everybody else



Those callers are Vick bashers from TATE

So you're saying the fan base as a whole isn't represented on here or on Philly radio?

I just find it quite odd how much people hate Vick given Foles hasn't proven anything and in fact Foles was a loser at Arizona.

He had a losing record as a starter there and he's only won one game in his career as an Eagle, and that was against the worst pass defense in the NFL.  Top 3 worse all-time

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 23 January 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

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Guess Vick doesn't qualify then  Must have missed when he started a full season here...

2009..no

2010..no

2011...no

2012...no

Let me help you out

http://www.pro-footb..._by=pass_rating

Again for anyone who has 16+ CAREER starts on the Eagles.  Vick is #1 all-time in passer rating #1 all-time in completion percentage

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

WIP and 97.5 the Fanatic is even worse.



Nice one.  It's talking career on the Eagles.

But I understand you're trying to side step the embarassing stat that Vick has the Eagles best completion percentage and passer rating in history

All for a guy who can't read a defense and is too dumb to play QB according to his detractors

If you want to talk embarassing you left out his 30 ints and 32 fumbles in 35 starts here.  Obviously that is someone elses fault though..  

When people think of  great NFL QB play they think of the eagles.  Who cares bout those 2 stats in the most pass friendly era in the history of the NFL.  How does he rank against his peers in the last few years who played in the same NFL.  That is a better gauge if you are going to talk stats...

[CousinVinny]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 23 January 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

If you want to talk embarassing you left out his 30 ints and 32 fumbles in 35 starts here.  Obviously that is someone elses fault though..

You know what's embarassing is that those interceptions are factored into the passer rating formula and Vick is still #1 all-time as an Eagle

BTW, Vick takes care of the football more in his career than Eli "2 Super Bowls" Manning who has a significantly worse ratio of turnovers

[mav81]

CousinVinny, on 23 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

So you're saying the fan base as a whole isn't represented on here or on Philly radio?

This board and talk radio are definitely not an accurate cross section of the fan base imho.