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[vipakabp916]

So my question is why does everyone want to get rid of Jeremy Maclin so bad… That is part one of the question and part two is... D-Jack, is he that much better than J-Mac honestly….So here is the break down

D-Jack 5’10 175 5 years in the league    J-Mac 6’0 200 4 years in the leage

Year    GP   REC YARDS TDs Year    GP   REC YARDS TDs

2008    16    62    912 2   2009    15    56    773 4

2009    15    62    1,156 9   2010    16    70    964 10

2010    14    47    1,056 6   2011    13    63    859 5

2011    15    58    961 4   2012    15    69    857 7

2012    11    45    700 2

Total   71    247 4,785 23      Total   59    258 3,453   26

Now J-Mac has 11 more catches, and 3 more TDs in one less year of play… now Jackson does have 1332 more yards than Mac and that is big no question about it… and Jackson has more 100 yard games as well...

But when you look at what routes they run… Jackson runs 7,8,9 and every once in a blue he runs a 2 ( for the people who do not know what those routes are… they are corner, go, post and slant…

But Mac does all the dirty work… he runs the whole route tree….He goes over the middle and he puts the ball in the end zone in the red zone… out of Jackson 23 TDs he has only scored 2 red zone TDs…Maclin has 9…  Now everyone is going to say Jackson clears everything out for Mac, Shady, and our TEs and they role a Safety over Jackson too… Well folks that is because Jackson is a one trick pony… Face it…  Now I love both of them and I think they complement each other very well…
What we need to do is Move J-Mac to the Slot and draft a bigger WR for the number 1 WR and Jackson be the number two… just imagine  Da'Rick Rogers as our 1, D- Jack as our 2, J-Mac as our slot, Avant , Cooper and Johnson as the rest.. That is a nice explosive WR corps… Justin Hunter, Cordarrelle Patterson or Quinton Patton would all be great number 1’s…

Now I know a lot of you haters are going to say HELL NO or your stupid or them rooks can’t hold a candle to Jackson… well guess what… when we drafted Jackson no one thought he would break on the seen as he did… no one thought he would be a number 1 at all.. But I think with a bigger target at the 1 that would free up Jackson even more to do what he is better at (running deep and quick screens).. and J-Mac to do what he’s best at the underneath routes

[Ipspots]

Usually it comes down to one thing with Maclin. People feel he is  too soft and alligators arms to many balls.

You know the old "for who, for what"   with another player.

Mind you I dont feel that way.

[NocturnalPoisoning]

Neither one is going anywhere in 2013. The whole debate is just people wasting breath during idle time.

[vipakabp916]

Ipspots, on 24 January 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Usually it comes down to one thing with Maclin. People feel he is  too soft and alligators arms to many balls.

You know the old "for who, for what"   with another player.

Mind you I dont feel that way.

I hear people say Mac is too soft but 2011 Jackson played "soft as hell", dropped balls, cried like a baby because he hasn't got the contract he wanted... when you look at it Jackson missed 8 games compared to maclins 4... Jack quit on his teammates and he was put on IR this past season... I would admit there are some times I think Mac should try for a few balls a little harder... but he does fight through things when he gets hurt... Djack has the same "business decision mentality as Mac does and more drops then Mac too... so if you say J-mac is soft you have to say the same thing for Jackson.. .Plus Jackson has had 2 concussions already too... and do you see what Jackson looks like when he goes over the middle... he is scared out his mind... Just my thoughts

[Machine]

Crybaby overrated, injury prone WR.  /Thread

[jonnyeagles12]

I think Theyre both decent receivers.

[vipakabp916]

NocturnalPoisoning, on 24 January 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Neither one is going anywhere in 2013. The whole debate is just people wasting breath during idle time.

you right they are not but i just hate reading people complain about J-Mac when D-Jack does the same things he does if not worse... and has missed more games, dropped more balls, and is less affective in the redzone

Machine, on 24 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

Crybaby overrated, injury prone WR.  /Thread

and what is Jackson

[Ipspots]

Funny thing is those same fans that cry about Maclin, would have died for a Maclin type WR back in the days of Stinkston/Trash//Charles Johnson and Fredex...

[iluvdaeagles]

maclin isnt a impact game changing player

thought that was what we were getting when we took him in the first round

[hawkeye]

I am not sure what to make of Maclin.  At times, he looks like a bona fide star in the making. Other times, he is tentative and soft.

Hard to judge based on this past season - shaky line and QB play, awful playcalling, etc.

[Machine]

vipakabp916, on 24 January 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

and what is Jackson

I like maclin. But he calls for too many penalties and it makes him look weak.

The best thing about the new regime will be hopefully getting the players in line.

[vipakabp916]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 January 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

maclin isnt a impact game changing player

thought that was what we were getting when we took him in the first round

Well ya he hasnt lived up to the 1st round hipe no...but the 49ers fans felt the same way about Crabtree and this year is the first year he started to be a player... and that didnt happen until they pulled Smith... before then Crabtree played in 58 games with 260 catches for 3,345 yards and 21 TD... The QB makes all the difference... Vick is trash and always has been as a QB... He is a great Athlete but as a QB he is AVE if not Below AVE... and that is the honest truth about VICK for all you VICK lovers...

With a soild Oline and Foles i think Mac and Jack can both be the stars we know they can be... Look at the 49ers Oline... they are beast... If we had that we would be fine... no question...

[Blitz24]

Ipspots, on 24 January 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Usually it comes down to 2 things with Maclin. He is  too soft and alligators arms to many balls.

Fixed and why does this fool jump every time he catches the football?

[AceofSpades]

Jeremy Maclin isn't the type of player that you have to worry about on every single play. He's not the guy that you'd sorely miss or would have to desperately change your offense for if he's out of the lineup for whatever reason. He's a good player but he's not somebody that your offense can't live without. The way I look at it , the Eagles might not view him as a star player because they haven't approached him about a long term deal. As others have already said, he's too inconsistent and appears to be on the soft/finesse side. People around here are tired of players on this team & the team in general being soft.

[Ipspots]

Blitz24, on 24 January 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Fixed and why does this fool jump every time he catches the football?

2 possibilities:

1st  coaches teah players to jump and meet the ball at the highest point. Dont know why he would still do this when the ball is headed for his chest...

2nd I know some players feel they can take a hit better and protect their legs when they are in a "defenseless position" if they are off the ground.  you know the legs aren't on the ground less chance of blowing out a knee with a hit when trying to catch the ball

[NocturnalPoisoning]

vipakabp916, on 24 January 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

you right they are not but i just hate reading people complain about J-Mac when D-Jack does the same things he does if not worse... and has missed more games, dropped more balls, and is less affective in the redzone

It probably has to do with the fact that Jackson had a very good year in 2012 (much better than his numbers suggested) while Maclin had his most disappointing season as an Eagle.

Anyway, I think the Eagles should go with the WR by comity approach of NO and GB. Neither team has a true #1 receiver, but instead has a bunch of guys with different skills that all compliment each other. With good QB play and maybe one bigger, more physical receiver I think the Eagles would have the arsenal to pull that sort of system off.

[iluvdaeagles]

vipakabp916, on 24 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Well ya he hasnt lived up to the 1st round hipe no...but the 49ers fans felt the same way about Crabtree and this year is the first year he started to be a player... and that didnt happen until they pulled Smith... before then Crabtree played in 58 games with 260 catches for 3,345 yards and 21 TD... The QB makes all the difference... Vick is trash and always has been as a QB... He is a great Athlete but as a QB he is AVE if not Below AVE... and that is the honest truth about VICK for all you VICK lovers...

With a soild Oline and Foles i think Mac and Jack can both be the stars we know they can be... Look at the 49ers Oline... they are beast... If we had that we would be fine... no question...

lol blame maclin problems on vick

maclin has had 4 different qbs during his career and he has look tentative & soft no matter who is at qb

lol @ people trying to bash vick at each and every opportunity

maclin had the best game of his career with vick at qb....last year @ ATL week 2

Blitz24, on 24 January 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Fixed and why does this fool jump every time he catches the football?

always has bugged me

[mike030270]

I like some of the catches Maclin makes but I hate how he will fal to the ground when he sees defenders coming at him

[BillTheButcher]

another maclin/desean thread.

smh

did you add in deseans rushing TDs? and PR TDs?

[WetFerret]

Machine, on 24 January 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

I like maclin. But he calls for too many penalties and it makes him look weak.

The best thing about the new regime will be hopefully getting the players in line.

Every receiver whines for penalities today.  I don't like it, but I really don't think Maclin does it any more than anybody else.

[jonnyeagles12]

I honestly like our receivers, call me crazy but I seriously think we're good enough there.

Maclin came alive with Foles at QB too.

[BillTheButcher]

jonnyeagles12, on 24 January 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

I honestly like our receivers, call me crazy but I seriously think we're good enough there.

Maclin came alive with Foles at QB too.

we are almost good. we need a guy who can thrive in the red zone as well as over the middle and make the kind of catches that mac and desean cant make.

a high pointer. at TE as well.

[jonnyeagles12]

BillTheButcher, on 24 January 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

we are almost good. we need a guy who can thrive in the red zone as well as over the middle and make the kind of catches that mac and desean cant make.

a high pointer. at TE as well.

We 100% need a good athletic TE to push Celek! I actually still hope cooper can thrive in the redzone, he made some good plays last year. I think our redzone weakness's may have come down to a lack of TE and our play calling. NE are as good as anyone in the red zone because they really on clever plays and their 2 TE's.

[Dirty 30 Sucks]

Maclin's numbers without DeSean Jackson in the lineup. Look at those.

jonnyeagles12, on 24 January 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

We 100% need a good athletic TE to push Celek! I actually still hope cooper can thrive in the redzone, he made some good plays last year. I think our redzone weakness's may have come down to a lack of TE and our play calling. NE are as good as anyone in the red zone because they really on clever plays and their 2 TE's.

its a lot of things and celek is part of it. but mostly its the fact they refused to ever run the ball in the red zone and have a 6 ft QB throwing to 5'9 WR's in a congested area and a bad o-line.

[Utebird]

seems you asked a question then answered your own question, why ask the question if your going to answer your own question? seems counterproductive.

having said that desean played the smae role for the offense that pinkston played in the offense stretch the field open up the underneath routes, difference was pinkston was useless after the catch but unlike desean could high point a ball. but both players are/were very one dimensional, desean just happens to be a more explosive pinkston, where as maclin is a more rounded receiver who can run all the routes on the route tree, he's a more explosive thrash, same roles though. if desean were more consistent and more of a red zone threat i think no one would have anything bad to say about him and if maclin were healthy more often there wouldnt be much bad to say about him.

[FanSinceWayBack]

In my own harsh truth I say Jackson is a punk. Im honestly surprised he hasnt opened his mouth and pulled a mini- T.O. .. Jackson is the type of player you'd hate if he was on any other team than your own. As for Maclin. He alligator arms alot of passes and "gets hurt" 3-4 times a game. I wouldnt be shocked if he spent all last season on the injury report. As either Doubtful/Questionable/Probable.

[eaglepride]

Both typical Reid guys all show, no heart, toughness and desire to give it up to win the game.

[kerriskazu]

Need a dominant, reliable possession receiver that needs double teamed. Maclin is not that guy. Now that Chip is here, the offense will utilize their speed and quickness a little better. These receivers were misused with Reid.

[wildturtle]

Maclin is soft there is no doubt about that but of the two i'd keep maclin of Jackson.  Also I must have missed all the maclin hate

[craigj]

You really can't compare these or any other players. Andy and Marty didn't know how to use anyone correctly. Let's see what Kelly does.