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[mjkvol]

Highboy, on 28 January 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Just with the Pats right? Where he won 3 Super Bowl rings and made 5 Super Bowl appearances? Or was that all on Brady?

Don't bother, HB - Rodney has a major hard on for Belicheck, one of the great coaches in NFL history, the only reason Parcells ever won anything, and a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Meanwhile, he'll defend a relative mediocrity like Reid to the death.

[Rodney_Zero]

mjkvol, on 28 January 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Don't bother, HB - Rodney has a major hard on for Belicheck, one of the great coaches in NFL history, the only reason Parcells ever won anything, and a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Meanwhile, he'll defend a relative mediocrity like Reid to the death.

I also love Ray Handley too

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 28 January 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Don't bother, HB - Rodney has a major hard on for Belicheck, one of the great coaches in NFL history, the only reason Parcells ever won anything, and a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Meanwhile, he'll defend a relative mediocrity like Reid to the death.

He already has his mind made up that Chip Kelly will be a failure as an NFL head coach based on no verifiable evidence whatsoever.

[Rodney_Zero]

Highboy, on 29 January 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

He already has his mind made up that Chip Kelly will be a failure as an NFL head coach based on no verifiable evidence whatsoever.

"if" he had NFL experience it would give me some confidence, yet there have been coolege coaches with no experience that had alittle success:
John Mckay- 2 playoff teams (1 NFCCG)
John Robinson- Well he had Eric Dickerson (2 NFCCG's)
Jimmy Johnson (duh) he also ran a pro style offense and defense at Miami
Switzer- Get em Boys! (fluke)
Bobby Ross (SB appearance) Failure in Detroit

What about :
Bud wilkenson
daryl Rodgers
Mike riley
Rick Brooks
Dennis Erickson (w/ 2 teams)
Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Bobby Petrino
Schiano (yet to be seen/ losing record his first year in the NFL)
Nick Saban
Lane Kiffin

[Highboy]

Rodney_Zero, on 29 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

"if" he had NFL experience it would give me some confidence, yet there have been coolege coaches with no experience that had alittle success:
John Mckay- 2 playoff teams (1 NFCCG)
John Robinson- Well he had Eric Dickerson (2 NFCCG's)
Jimmy Johnson (duh) he also ran a pro style offense and defense at Miami
Switzer- Get em Boys! (fluke)
Bobby Ross (SB appearance) Failure in Detroit

What about :
Bud wilkenson
daryl Rodgers
Mike riley
Rick Brooks
Dennis Erickson (w/ 2 teams)
Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Bobby Petrino
Schiano (yet to be seen/ losing record his first year in the NFL)
Nick Saban
Lane Kiffin

You forgot D Vermeil on your first list. That would make 6 coaches with success and 10 that failed. That's really that big of a gap to you?  As for your second list: what about them? None of them are Chip Kelly. You seem to buy the media hype that there is some correlation. There isn't. You want a list the number of coaches that had NFL experience and failed? Yeah, that list is about 50 miles longer. Moral of the story: coaching in the NFL is hard. Does it help to have coordinator experience? Yes and no. Does it hurt to have only college experience? Yes and no. There are pros and cons and the bottom line is that nobody knows until they start coaching. But the fact that Chip Kelly's concepts are being used already in the NFL speaks volumes to his football IQ and that his IQ as such could work in the NFL. He's a question mark for sure but he has as much a chance at success as he does failure and the rest of us have chosen to be excited about the possibilities of success as opposed to the possibilities of disaster.

[Rodney_Zero]

Highboy, on 29 January 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

You forgot D Vermeil on your first list. That would make 6 coaches with success and 10 that failed. That's really that big of a gap to you?  As for your second list: what about them? None of them are Chip Kelly. You seem to buy the media hype that there is some correlation. There isn't. You want a list the number of coaches that had NFL experience and failed? Yeah, that list is about 50 miles longer. Moral of the story: coaching in the NFL is hard. Does it help to have coordinator experience? Yes and no. Does it hurt to have only college experience? Yes and no. There are pros and cons and the bottom line is that nobody knows until they start coaching. But the fact that Chip Kelly's concepts are being used already in the NFL speaks volumes to his football IQ and that his IQ as such could work in the NFL. He's a question mark for sure but he has as much a chance at success as he does failure and the rest of us have chosen to be excited about the possibilities of success as opposed to the possibilities of disaster.

6 to 11

[Highboy]

Rodney_Zero, on 29 January 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

6 to 11

Um, okay? So that's a big enough gap to be suspect of a coach's abilities to succeed in the NFL because he didn't have prior NFL experience? Regardless of the fact a zillion coaches with NFL experience fail all the time? I'm just not seeing the logic. If you just don't like Chip Kelly for whatever reason, fine. But so far all you are basing it on when discussing it on this forum is just one assumption after the other.

[Rodney_Zero]

Highboy, on 29 January 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:

Um, okay? So that's a big enough gap to be suspect of a coach's abilities to succeed in the NFL because he didn't have prior NFL experience? Regardless of the fact a zillion coaches with NFL experience fail all the time? I'm just not seeing the logic. If you just don't like Chip Kelly for whatever reason, fine. But so far all you are basing it on when discussing it on this forum is just one assumption after the other.

Ask any player & coach that comes straight from college to the NFL and they will say the NFL is light years ahead of college as for the game goes . That's why 11 have failed and the ones who had success did'nt last long. Pretty much 90% of the posters on these boards all clamor and say "We need Jim Harbaugh, he came from college", he's a former #1 draft pick, who played for a HOF HC , and other successful coaches, he was pretty good, he coached in the NFL, and he ran a pro style attack on offense with a future #1 overall pick at QB. IMO, this was Luries pick from the day he fired Reid or before he fired him , there are/where more suitable candidates out there, esp Gus Bradley, our D is in need of fixing more than our offense.
Simple logic

Hire Bradley, he brings in a up & coming QB coach and OC, hire Raheem Morris, or  Rod Marinelli to run the D

[SBorBust]

mjkvol, on 28 January 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Don't bother, HB - Rodney has a major hard on for Belicheck, one of the great coaches in NFL history, the only reason Parcells ever won anything, and a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Meanwhile, he'll defend a relative mediocrity like Reid to the death.

Actually, Belichick IS the reason that Parcells ever won anything.

[Rodney_Zero]

SBorBust, on 30 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Actually, Belichick IS the reason that Parcells ever won anything.

Does this mean that Chuck Knoll only won because of Bud Carson, or Shula with Bill Arnsparger, Walsh with Seifert, Homgren with Shurmer, Shanahan with Greg Robinson, Gibbs with Pettibone, Jimmy Johnson with Butch Davis??

[Highboy]

Rodney_Zero, on 30 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Ask any player & coach that comes straight from college to the NFL and they will say the NFL is light years ahead of college as for the game goes . That's why 11 have failed and the ones who had success did'nt last long. Pretty much 90% of the posters on these boards all clamor and say "We need Jim Harbaugh, he came from college", he's a former #1 draft pick, who played for a HOF HC , and other successful coaches, he was pretty good, he coached in the NFL, and he ran a pro style attack on offense with a future #1 overall pick at QB. IMO, this was Luries pick from the day he fired Reid or before he fired him , there are/where more suitable candidates out there, esp Gus Bradley, our D is in need of fixing more than our offense.
Simple logic

Hire Bradley, he brings in a up & coming QB coach and OC, hire Raheem Morris, or  Rod Marinelli to run the D

Your post only is valid if we take for granted the idea that your assumptions are already legitimate, verifiable fact. But they aren't. Your "simple logic" is nothing more than a subjective opinion based on nothing at all. The coaches that succeeded didn't last long? Three of them won SB rings. You completely ignore the long long list of "more suitable" candidates with coordinator experience that completely failed. You assume Bradley was a better candidate but your only criteria for doing so is to say he has NFL experience, when its already proven that isn't the criteria.

Rodney_Zero, on 30 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Does this mean that Chuck Knoll only won because of Bud Carson, or Shula with Bill Arnsparger, Walsh with Seifert, Homgren with Shurmer, Shanahan with Greg Robinson, Gibbs with Pettibone, Jimmy Johnson with Butch Davis??

Well you've been assuming that BB has only won because of Brady so....

[KOJO]

Rodney_Zero, on 30 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Hire Bradley, he brings in a up & coming QB coach and OC, hire Raheem Morris, or  Rod Marinelli to run the D

Bradley hired Bob Babich as his DC from their days together at NDSU. I would have been livid at that. He was terrible as a DC in Chicago.

[Rodney_Zero]

KOJO, on 30 January 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Bradley hired Bob Babich as his DC from their days together at NDSU. I would have been livid at that. He was terrible as a DC in Chicago.

I agree, but Kiffin was'nt that good as a DC in New Orleans and Minny so who knows?, correct me if i'm wrong, but the Bears players on D started to age and some got injured when Babich took over for Rivera?

[mjkvol]

SBorBust, on 30 January 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Actually, Belichick IS the reason that Parcells ever won anything.

Amen, brother.

[Rodney_Zero]

mjkvol, on 30 January 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Amen, brother.

Does this mean that Chuck Knoll only won because of Bud Carson, or Shula with Bill Arnsparger, Walsh with Seifert, Homgren with Shurmer, Shanahan with Greg Robinson, Gibbs with Pettibone, Jimmy Johnson with Butch Davis??

[mjkvol]

Rodney_Zero, on 30 January 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Does this mean that Chuck Knoll only won because of Bud Carson, or Shula with Bill Arnsparger, Walsh with Seifert, Homgren with Shurmer, Shanahan with Greg Robinson, Gibbs with Pettibone, Jimmy Johnson with Butch Davis??

Nope, but Parcells isn't, and never was Noll, Shula, Walsh, or Gibbs except in the minds of the sycophantic national media.

And it means nothing more than what it is - Parcells won nothing without Belicheck. The move Belicheck made blowing off Parcells with the Jets and skidaddling to New England was nothing short of genius, by both him and Kraft.   The rest is history.

[Runtherock]

Rodney_Zero, on 29 January 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

"if" he had NFL experience it would give me some confidence, yet there have been coolege coaches with no experience that had alittle success:
John Mckay- 2 playoff teams (1 NFCCG)
John Robinson- Well he had Eric Dickerson (2 NFCCG's)
Jimmy Johnson (duh) he also ran a pro style offense and defense at Miami
Switzer- Get em Boys! (fluke)
Bobby Ross (SB appearance) Failure in Detroit

What about :
Bud wilkenson
daryl Rodgers
Mike riley
Rick Brooks
Dennis Erickson (w/ 2 teams)
Spurrier
Lou Holtz
Bobby Petrino
Schiano (yet to be seen/ losing record his first year in the NFL)
Nick Saban
Lane Kiffin

And you couldn't hire Gruden or Cowher because no coach ever won a second Super Bowl with a new team. At some point you have to stop soiling your pampers over statistical bs and man up, pick the most talented guy, and move on. I think they did that.

[Highboy]

Runtherock, on 30 January 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

And you couldn't hire Gruden or Cowher because no coach ever won a second Super Bowl with a new team. At some point you have to stop soiling your pampers over statistical bs and man up, pick the most talented guy, and move on. I think they did that.

I'm starting to see why mjkvol said "don't bother".

[mjkvol]

Runtherock, on 30 January 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

And you couldn't hire Gruden or Cowher because no coach ever won a second Super Bowl with a new team. At some point you have to stop soiling your pampers over statistical bs and man up, pick the most talented guy, and move on. I think they did that.

Agreed.     And if it turns out it doesn't work, you don't wait a decade and a half to cut bait and go through the process again.

But the bottom line is targeting who you feel is the best man, and then go and get him.     They clearly did that.

[Erie]

CT Eagle, on 28 January 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

If your employer told you they were going to regulate your Twitter account after work or on weekends, how would you like it ?
Either way, I think the NFL players union wouldn't allow the owners to regulate most of that stuff.

It's not unique to the NFL. I've heard ESPN radio hosts say they have policies that regulate their social media use. In my profession, I'm accountable.

[E v 2.0]

Remember when people were crying CONSTANTLY because Andy Reid only cared about character and not winning? I do.

And if you knew what you think you know about your "favorite" players I guarantee you would either be sorely disappointed or change your standards.

[AmericanEagle77]

ronjeremyb, on 27 January 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

hard to like this team on a personal level? Even if Shady's phone was "hacked..." 1 you can can't "hack" a twitter account... what he means if true is he was irresponsible and left someone have access to his phone or his password. Either way true or not.... I get that football players are by and large idiots. I would probably be an idiot too if I was 25 and had millions. But come on... it's on the FO to have clear twitter social network policies.

Been and eagles fan my whole life, but as I've said before on this board I value character. I want to like the people I root for as humans.  Never could get behind the team when Vick was the QB. My personal choice. Water under the bridge now, I hope he's played his last game as the face of the franchise. But then last year you also had idiots like Jason Babin et al who just make it so hard to root for these guys. They get millions to play a game and then act like they don't appreciate it.

Maybe there always was morons on football teams, but nowadays because of social media it's out there. It's in our faces. This team needs someone like Brian Dawkins again. Someone we can root for and actually like as a human being.

Who is that person on this team now?

They're here to play football, not win the Nobel peace prize. This is part of what has gotten screwed up the more that football has gotten itself in the spotlight. Back in the 80's, no one cared if their best players were stand up citizens.

[mjkvol]

E v 2.0, on 31 January 2013 - 05:45 AM, said:

And if you knew what you think you know about your "favorite" players I guarantee you would either be sorely disappointed or change your standards.

That's exactly why I don't want to know a single, solitary thing about what any athlete, musician or actor does in their life - I don't give a rat's a** about their politics, where they hang out, or their their favorite f****ng color.       And for the life of me, I don't get why people do, except that living vicariously evidently holds some sort of bizarre appeal.      People that have made billions on Social Media were smart enough to see that years ago.

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

That's exactly why I don't want to know a single, solitary thing about what any athlete, musician or actor does in their life - I don't give a rat's a** about their politics, where they hang out, or their their favorite f****ng color.    And for the life of me, I don't get why people do, except that living vicariously evidently holds some sort of bizarre appeal.   People that have made billions on Social Media were smart enough to see that years ago.

Sorry, but if I know a celebrity of some sort is a scum bag, I don't support them with my money nor do I care to root for them. Do I make a difference? Probably not. But at least I know not a dime of my money is going into there pockets. I'm not saying I need to care about every aspect of their personal lives, and the latest example from Shady isn't the kind of thing that I'm talking about. But for example, there are certain actors/actresses that are great at their job and musicians that are fantastic musicians that I simply stopped supporting altogether because I'm against virtually everything they stand for.

[mjkvol]

Highboy, on 31 January 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Sorry, but if I know a celebrity of some sort is a scum bag, I don't support them with my money nor do I care to root for them. Do I make a difference? Probably not. But at least I know not a dime of my money is going into there pockets. I'm not saying I need to care about every aspect of their personal lives, and the latest example from Shady isn't the kind of thing that I'm talking about. But for example, there are certain actors/actresses that are great at their job and musicians that are fantastic musicians that I simply stopped supporting altogether because I'm against virtually everything they stand for.

I didn't make myself clear, HB.

My point was concerning the bizarre fascination the general public has with knowing intimate details about celebrities.   Like I said, social media mavens have built kingdoms with businesses like Facebook and Twitter on the backs of fools who are somehow captivated by what a celebrity is having for breakfast or something equally idiotic.

I make a conscious effort not to ever listen to player interviews or watch pre, halftime, and post game shows  for the reason that not only do the people on there make me sick, but I have absolutely zero interest in knowing anything more about a player than what he does between the lines. Same with any kind of profile on an actor or musician - I don't give a damn what they think or believe about anything, and am constantly amazed that anyone would.

Having said that, I feel the same way as you about supporting the ones who either commit heinous crimes and are rewarded handsomely afterwards (Vick), .or actors / musicians who use their celebrity to promote politicians, and positions on issues I am against. Perfect examples for me are Clooney and Springsteen.   Both are hypocritical, loudmouth limousine liberals who support idiocy like 'global warming' even though they are the worst offenders, and actively campaign for elitist politicians.

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 11:08 AM, said:

I didn't make myself clear, HB.

My point was concerning the bizarre fascination the general public has with knowing intimate details about celebrities.   Like I said, social media mavens have built kingdoms with businesses like Facebook and Twitter on the backs of fools who are somehow captivated by what a celebrity is having for breakfast or something equally idiotic.

I make a conscious effort not to ever listen to player interviews or watch pre, halftime, and post game shows  for the reason that not only do the people on there make me sick, but I have absolutely zero interest in knowing anything more about a player than what he does between the lines. Same with any kind of profile on an actor or musician - I don't give a damn what they think or believe about anything, and am constantly amazed that anyone would.

Having said that, I feel the same way as you about supporting the ones who either commit heinous crimes and are rewarded handsomely afterwards (Vick), .or actors / musicians who use their celebrity to promote politicians, and positions on issues I am against. Perfect examples for me are Clooney and Springsteen.   Both are hypocritical, loudmouth limousine liberals who support idiocy like 'global warming' even though they are the worst offenders, and actively campaign for elitist politicians.

Clooney was the exact clown I was thinking of.   Yeah I agree then for the most part. Naturally as a Christian I enjoy reading/hearing that some of my favorite athletes are practicing Christians but that's just icing on the cake, not a make or break sort of thing on whether or not I support them.

[EagleJoe8]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

That's exactly why I don't want to know a single, solitary thing about what any athlete, musician or actor does in their life - I don't give a rat's a** about their politics, where they hang out, or their their favorite f****ng color.       And for the life of me, I don't get why people do, except that living vicariously evidently holds some sort of bizarre appeal.      People that have made billions on Social Media were smart enough to see that years ago.

Agreed. I can't figure out the appeal of following pro athletes on twitter or Facebook. People who report breaking news, sure, but celebs, no.

[Rodney_Zero]

I love you all

[CT Eagle]

Erie, on 31 January 2013 - 04:20 AM, said:

It's not unique to the NFL. I've heard ESPN radio hosts say they have policies that regulate their social media use. In my profession, I'm accountable.

Those guys on ESPN talk up their twitter accounts all the time to build up their following.  I think it is a bit different.  
If the players social media escapades became detrimental to the team or organization, I would be totally supportive of restrictions.  That wasn't the case here.