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[armchairGM3]

http://www.philly.co...Donnellon_.html

I liked what I saw from Foles: decisive, smart, anticipates throws, doesn't take many sacks. Everyone said Foles would get killed behind a weak offensive line, since Vick was. But as I said before, the problem would better be solved by a decisive QB that can read the defense, recognize where the pressure is coming from, and get rid of the ball accordingly. I don't think it is a coincidence that once Foles became the starter Philly sports writers started saying the o-line was gelling. But I digress.

This article gives me hope that Foles could be the guy next year. Good stuff.

[WetFerret]

I really don't care who Kelly starts out at QB as long as if it doesn't work, he changes it.

[BillTheButcher]

was just gonna post this article. good read

[eaglesguru]

But but, Foles isn't fast and he doesn't throw a good deep ball like Vick!!
Lmao






Good read...

[BtotheH]

Good read, but this just sums up what we have been listening to since Kelly was hired. Everyone was assuming that since Oregon had fast players and a fast up tempo offense that this means we need a "mobile" QB. Not hardly, multiple articles indicated that Kelly in fact prefers a QB that can deliver the ball quickly and effectively.

It just so happens that Foles has these attributes and the ones that he doesn't can be coached just like Santos. Foles can see over the line and make the right calls for the protections. But I will stop here before this thread gets jacked and taken out of context thinking I am just bashing Vick.

[greenpassion]

the oline played so much better

foles played so much better

the team loved playing for foles

he saw all the blitzes and read all the defenses

yet he still got sacked alot and eventually knocked out of his last start and went 1-7 with one miracle win

[PhillyBirds5_36_86]

A nice read, but this isn't New Hampshire, and we're not playing Delaware in Div 2.

That said I think Kelly has the work ethic to fashion an offense around what he has now, then move toward his exact needs through drafts/FA in the next year or two.

[greenpassion]

i agree with its not about mobility. bottom line is that if CK feels like foles is a good qb that can go out and win games he will be the guy and the offense will be built around what foles can do well

if he doesnt go with foles its because CK doesnt think hes a good qb, no matter what he says or how many compliments he rains down on him his actions will tell how he feels

everybody needs to just relax this is about the philadelphia eagles NOT nick foles or vick

[GreenMtEagle]

And maybe chip Kelly can make Riley cooper play like David Ball played when he was at unh and he can break Jerry Rices nfl records!!
Btw, David Ball has since returned home to be his local h.s football coach.

[BillTheButcher]

i keep going back to the play vs the bucs. no not the game wining TD to maclin but the play where he got everyone to the LOS and got them set to spike the ball. we havent seen anything like that in sooooooo long. that simple spike was my fav play of the year.

[armchairGM3]

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

i agree with its not about mobility. bottom line is that if CK feels like foles is a good qb that can go out and win games he will be the guy and the offense will be built around what foles can do well

if he doesnt go with foles its because CK doesnt think hes a good qb, no matter what he says or how many compliments he rains down on him his actions will tell how he feels

everybody needs to just relax this is about the philadelphia eagles NOT nick foles or vick

I'm relaxed. And I agree. Which is why I've also advocated for the Eagles going after Alex Smith. Or to consider some QBs later in the draft.

I shared because the article is a good read. And because it presents a plausible argument for keeping Foles (thus providing some certainty to the most important position on the team), as opposed to having to go out there and finding a new guy.

But if Kelly does not believe Foles can do the job, then let's hope he picks the right guy.

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

the oline played so much better

foles played so much better

the team loved playing for foles

he saw all the blitzes and read all the defenses

yet he still got sacked alot and eventually knocked out of his last start and went 1-7 with one miracle win

Haha man... when you put it that way.....

[Trips]

People fail to understand that Chip Kelly can adapt to anything. Most don't realize that in New Hampshire he had some years with pocket passers and ran a pass happy offense.

That's not saying Foles will be the guy. Nobody knows what Kelly is thinking. All I know is that every QB that has ever played in his offense has had success. He found a way to make it work for THAT guy. I trust him no matter who he puts under center.

And this is coming from a guy who didn't want Chip as the head coach.

[greenpassion]

no doubt bro. i think no matter what foles will be given a chance atp i dont think they can gaurantee him or his fans anything more. its not like he went out there and just lit it up if he did we wouldnt even be discussing this hed already be penciled in as the opening day starter

to be fair i really dont want to judge foles off of what took place this past season he was playing under some of the worst coaching and atmosphere we've seen around here in 25 years but if im gonna be fair i have to extend that same courtesy to all 53 players.

[AceofSpades]

That was a really good read and it shows that (at least on the surface) that Chip Kelly isn't necessarily married to a particular scheme or game plan. Something we've seen too much of over the last 14 years. I said before, if Chip Kelly is the offensive mastermind/genius that he's regarded as being, he should be able to look at what the Eagles have on offense and design a scheme that would be beneficial to the Eagles.

[SNOORDA]

WetFerret, on 30 January 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

I really don't care who Kelly starts out at QB as long as if it doesn't work, he changes it.

Who ever he starts will most certainly be the guy who gets the most reps with the 1's in TC and it would be a bad sign if he has to change qb's early in the season.

[Meccadon123]

The oline did "gel"....King came back and they sat Bell(Dunlap played better than Bell)then they signed the OT that subbed for Todd H.(name escapes me) and they sat Bell again....

At that point those guys played a few games together and bell sat....The online was better WITHOUT BELL....fact

i did like the way Foles audible'd at the LOS...but that doesn't change the fact that Vick played behind the online AS THE INJURIES HAPPENED and he got stuck behind bell and a line that was coming apart...Foles was behind them as they started to come back together...

[whodi.]

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

the oline played so much better

foles played so much better

the team loved playing for foles

he saw all the blitzes and read all the defenses

yet he still got sacked alot and eventually knocked out of his last start and went 1-7 with one miracle win

Except Foles only started 6 games. It's ok though. When you're unintelligent you need to embellish things to make it suit your point.

[jReese]

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

[AceofSpades]

Meccadon123, on 30 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

The oline did "gel"....King came back and they sat Bell(Dunlap played better than Bell)then they signed the OT that subbed for Todd H.(name escapes me) and they sat Bell again....

At that point those guys played a few games together and bell sat....The online was better WITHOUT BELL....fact

i did like the way Foles audible'd at the LOS...but that doesn't change the fact that Vick played behind the online AS THE INJURIES HAPPENED and he got stuck behind bell and a line that was coming apart...Foles was behind them as they started to come back together...

The guy that filled in for Todd was Dennis Kelly. He was a late round pick in 2012.

jReese, on 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

Not like it was his fault and his fault alone. The entire team played horribly so don't sit up and point the finger at him.

[WetFerret]

SNOORDA, on 30 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Who ever he starts will most certainly be the guy who gets the most reps with the 1's in TC and it would be a bad sign if he has to change qb's early in the season.

I said that too this last season, and it took way too long for a change to be made.

[AceofSpades]

WetFerret, on 30 January 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

I said that too this last season, and it took way too long for a change to be made.

I think Andy Reid wanted to make a change but was just too scared to pull Vick and that's what helped send the season downhill.

[WetFerret]

AceofSpades, on 30 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

I think Andy Reid wanted to make a change but was just too scared to pull Vick and that's what helped send the season downhill.

I agree.  It just seemed to absolutely kill the team at the time.  I don't want Kelly to second guess himself, but if he sees a problem, I hope he's quicker to correct it.

[BillTheButcher]

jReese, on 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

cool story bro.

[Jefetio]

I'm excited to see what Kelly and Shurmur come up with for the offense.

I don't think it will be what any of us expect.

[AceofSpades]

WetFerret, on 30 January 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

I agree.  It just seemed to absolutely kill the team at the time.  I don't want Kelly to second guess himself, but if he sees a problem, I hope he's quicker to correct it.

I understand coaches being hopeful that some things will just work themselves out and if a player's struggling that it doesn't linger. But if you see a player struggling and continuing to struggle, you have to make a change before it sinks the franchise. Reid was so arrogant that if his QB struggled throwing the ball, he kept throwing thinking he'd just pass himself out of the trouble.

[greenpassion]

AceofSpades, on 30 January 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

I think Andy Reid wanted to make a change but was just too scared to pull Vick and that's what helped send the season downhill.

seriously you have to be a total and utter douchbag to watch this team this past season and think that just by changing qbs that that would make any difference at all

[AceofSpades]

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

seriously you have to be a total and utter douchbag to watch this team this past season and think that just by changing qbs that that would make any difference at all

Did I say it would've made a difference? 1 player can't make a difference by himself.

[o0OMorrisO0o]

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

the oline played so much better

foles played so much better

the team loved playing for foles

he saw all the blitzes and read all the defenses

yet he still got sacked alot and eventually knocked out of his last start and went 1-7 with one miracle win

We still hardly put up any points with Foles.  All I am saying is I dint see the love affair with Foles.  He could be very very good in the future I just didnt see him do all that great.  Nothing for me to grip onto...

[Jefetio]

o0OMorrisO0o, on 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

We still hardly put up any points with Foles.  All I am saying is I dint see the love affair with Foles.  He could be very very good in the future I just didnt see him do all that great.  Nothing for me to grip onto...

Foles was also working with less starters than even Vick was.

I'm not saying I'm sold on Foles, I kind of hope they bring in someone else either this year or next.  I do think Foles has more potential than Vick though.

[WetFerret]

o0OMorrisO0o, on 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

We still hardly put up any points with Foles.  All I am saying is I dint see the love affair with Foles.  He could be very very good in the future I just didnt see him do all that great.  Nothing for me to grip onto...

I think the love affair from Foles came simply from being something different.  I don't know (or really care) if Foles is the answer as long as we figure out the answer.  Foles did some nice things, and I'd like to see how he progresses this offseason.  However, if we get a bonafide better QB option, I'm all for it.  The roster, as it stands now, though, Foles is the better option, based mostly on potential.