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[jonnyeagles12]

Good read.

Also this is a topic on Foles and I haven't seen iluvdaeagles, anyone seen him?

On a serious note this article gets me excited about Kelly for next year.

[AceofSpades]

jonnyeagles12, on 30 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Good read.

Also this is a topic on Foles and I haven't seen iluvdaeagles, anyone seen him?

On a serious note this article gets me excited about Kelly for next year.

I like basically everybody else am definitely interested in seeing what the offense looks like and what type of scheme it'll be. I think it'll be more of combination of what New England does, mixed in with a little of what Chip Kelly liked to do at Oregon and also with a little bit of what the Eagles are currently built for.

[forevereagles]

Interesting article. Gives me hope that maybe Foles still has a  chance to remain on the roster.

Why some continue to say he  isn't mobile enough continues to baffle the hell out of me.  When this kid Santos has played under Chipin NH and was very successful and not fleet footed either .Nick has good mobilty he just isn't real fast but moves effectively enough to get downs. I also like that he can pass effectively running from both left and right sides.

Kelly has said repeatedly that he doesn't try to force his QB's to be what they aren't. That the starter and the back up (whomever that turns out to be) may be totally different in style and ability. That he will come up with an offense that suits whomever becomes the starter.

He has also said he likes to have lots of competition at the QB spot. So that the best can be brought out in each of them. Dixson ( if reports turn out to be correct) would be a younger ( though only by a few years) Vick type QB. And someone who is very familiar with Kellys system having run it in Oregon when Chip was there.

[forevereagles]

jonnyeagles12, on 30 January 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Good read.

Also this is a topic on Foles and I haven't seen iluvdaeagles, anyone seen him?

On a serious note this article gets me excited about Kelly for next year.

Give him time...he and his compadre's will come up with something to turn it into a negative.

[CharGP02A]

Is it just me or is it that some of you guys don't really comprehend that Nick Foles was a rookie? It sure seems that way. Let's remember that lots of rookies don't put the numbers and wins in their first year. It's mostly about development. Look at Peyton's rookie year for instance. If Nick Foles is the guy for Chip Kelly then we should see better performances this season if Nick Foles continues to develop. Relax.

[Esage]

jReese, on 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

[NOTW]

Chip himself has already noted he's coached less mobile qbs @ oregon and ran an offense to suit each qb. Hes said several times its not about scheme or a running qb only.

[Esage]

o0OMorrisO0o, on 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

We still hardly put up any points with Foles.  All I am saying is I dint see the love affair with Foles.  He could be very very good in the future I just didnt see him do all that great.  Nothing for me to grip onto...

The offense scored more points per game with Foles than it did with Vick.

[AceofSpades]

NOTW, on 31 January 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Chip himself has already noted he's coached less mobile qbs @ oregon and ran an offense to suit each qb. Hes said several times its not about scheme or a running qb only.

But no matter what he says, people will only see the fast paced up tempo offense where his QB was mobile and ran with the ball and think that's exactly what's gonna happen with the Eagles offense. It's like no matter how he says it, it's gonna be an offense suited for somebody with Vick's skill set or he's gotta go get somebody like RG3 or Russell Wilson.

[eaglefan78]

jReese, on 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

1-6 with an embarrassment of a defense. Vick's 3 wins came when our defense was actually trying to play defense.

o0OMorrisO0o, on 30 January 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

We still hardly put up any points with Foles.  All I am saying is I dint see the love affair with Foles.  He could be very very good in the future I just didnt see him do all that great.  Nothing for me to grip onto...

Morris, the reason he doesn't stand out is because he isn't flashy like your man, Vick. What I saw from Foles was the fundamentals. That is what sold me on him. I think he has a solid foundation to grow and possibly become a franchise QB. The issue moving forward with him will be opportunity.

[eaglefan78]

AceofSpades, on 31 January 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

But no matter what he says, people will only see the fast paced up tempo offense where his QB was mobile and ran with the ball and think that's exactly what's gonna happen with the Eagles offense. It's like no matter how he says it, it's gonna be an offense suited for somebody with Vick's skill set or he's gotta go get somebody like RG3 or Russell Wilson.

Let them think it. It actually is to the Eagles benefit if everyone thinks that, especially in the draft.

[judunno]

greenpassion, on 30 January 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

the oline played so much better

foles played so much better

the team loved playing for foles

he saw all the blitzes and read all the defenses

yet he still got sacked alot and eventually knocked out of his last start and went 1-7 with one miracle win

Best post of the thread.  Some folks need to just calm down and wait to see how this QB thing plays out.  Whoever the QB is we need to have patience because they will be learning a TOTALLY NEW system.  May take 2 years just for them to start understanding the ish.  Hopefully, regardless of the QB they fix the OL issues.  Cause as we can see... only takes one good hit in the right spot to send your QB to the hospital.

[AceofSpades]

eaglefan78, on 31 January 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

Let them think it. It actually is to the Eagles benefit if everyone thinks that, especially in the draft.

I especially love how people say somebody like Foles doesn't fit the offensive scheme when nobody knows what the scheme is gonna be.

[forevereagles]

Thats because thats all some have been use to  seeing  here in Philly's QB's.. Cunningham, McNabb, Vick.  All those years of  seeing  athletic QB's has molded their thinking, to they being the only type that has the potential to win champhionships. Or that belongs on the Eagles.

eaglefan78, on 31 January 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

1-6 with an embarrassment of a defense. Vick's 3 wins came when our defense was actually trying to play defense.



Morris, the reason he doesn't stand out is because he isn't flashy like your man, Vick. What I saw from Foles was the fundamentals. That is what sold me on him. I think he has a solid foundation to grow and possibly become a franchise QB. The issue moving forward with him will be opportunity.

Fundamentals are lost on the Vicksters because they have never seen any from him. So therefore they are not essential to being a good QB.

[WetFerret]

AceofSpades, on 31 January 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

I especially love how people say somebody like Foles doesn't fit the offensive scheme when nobody knows what the scheme is gonna be.

Exactly.  This is cracking me up.

[andacagar]

I say we stick with Foles and bring in Hixon as abackup and draft either Geno Smith or Emanuel if available in the later rounds (3rd and beyond).

[NOTW]

I think it's good in the modern era or twitter and other social media, and the need to know immediately culture of sports "journalism" to be quietly planning behind the scenes.  Put the staff together, review the film of personnel and put your plan together.  You don't need to be in the media every day answering questions.

[eephraim]

armchairGM3, on 30 January 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...Donnellon_.html

I liked what I saw from Foles: decisive, smart, anticipates throws, doesn't take many sacks. Everyone said Foles would get killed behind a weak offensive line, since Vick was. But as I said before, the problem would better be solved by a decisive QB that can read the defense, recognize where the pressure is coming from, and get rid of the ball accordingly. I don't think it is a coincidence that once Foles became the starter Philly sports writers started saying the o-line was gelling. But I digress.

This article gives me hope that Foles could be the guy next year. Good stuff.

The irony here is foles broke his hand behind that "gelling" line.

You're way off base if you're going to let the oline off the hook. They were bad for Vick and they were bad for Foles.

[Phila.:chip]

armchairGM3, on 30 January 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...Donnellon_.html

I liked what I saw from Foles: decisive, smart, anticipates throws, doesn't take many sacks. Everyone said Foles would get killed behind a weak offensive line, since Vick was. But as I said before, the problem would better be solved by a decisive QB that can read the defense, recognize where the pressure is coming from, and get rid of the ball accordingly. I don't think it is a coincidence that once Foles became the starter Philly sports writers started saying the o-line was gelling. But I digress.

This article gives me hope that Foles could be the guy next year. Good stuff.

In case you didn't notice. Foles broke his hand behind that oline, and he was sacked around the same rate as Vick. Foles lovers love to grasp at straws. The kid has no upside what so ever. Weak arm, immobile, horrible accuracy on deep throws.

[eephraim]

forevereagles, on 31 January 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

Thats because thats all some have been use to  seeing  here in Philly's QB's.. Cunningham, McNabb, Vick.  All those years of  seeing  athletic QB's has molded their thinking, to they being the only type that has the potential to win champhionships. Or that belongs on the Eagles.


Fundamentals are lost on the Vicksters because they have never seen any from him. So therefore they are not essential to being a good QB.

Fat sloppy EMB'ers wouldn't know fundamentals of a QB from a philly cheestake.

I will trust Chip Kelly's decision over anybody on this message board so all of this speculation is just dumb.

[jReese]

I agree with the guy who said the love for Foles came because he brought something different. I think many Philly fans want so badley to move away from a runningQB, they want that pocket passer....

and i do too, but Foles just isn't the guy. Lets be honest....and the whole "He was just a roo..Hekie excuse" doesn't fly.....You see what other Rookies are doing...

Plain and simple, Foles had the softest part of the schedule, he went in against some of the worst teams in the league, and struggled horribly.....He's just not that guy.

[matchew88]

jReese, on 31 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I agree with the guy who said the love for Foles came because he brought something different. I think many Philly fans want so badley to move away from a runningQB, they want that pocket passer....

and i do too, but Foles just isn't the guy. Lets be honest....and the whole "He was just a roo..Hekie excuse" doesn't fly.....You see what other Rookies are doing...

Plain and simple, Foles had the softest part of the schedule, he went in against some of the worst teams in the league, and struggled horribly.....He's just not that guy.

The eagles were doing well as a team. Thats why they had a winning record and a playoff run this year. jim Johnson's defense was well-ranked, and the players really cared. DJax and McCoy played a lot at the end. The OL was dynamite.

[AceofSpades]

jReese, on 31 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I agree with the guy who said the love for Foles came because he brought something different. I think many Philly fans want so badley to move away from a runningQB, they want that pocket passer....

and i do too, but Foles just isn't the guy. Lets be honest....and the whole "He was just a roo..Hekie excuse" doesn't fly.....You see what other Rookies are doing...

Plain and simple, Foles had the softest part of the schedule, he went in against some of the worst teams in the league, and struggled horribly.....He's just not that guy.

The whole team played bad. Don't make it seem like Foles was supposed to be the guy to change everything, he's only 1 player. The whole team struggled not just him.

Let's look at what the other rookies have done. Yes RG3, Luck, & Wilson had success and all made the playoffs. Let's remember that their coaches were calling games to their strengths, when's the last time you heard about Andy Reid doing that?

Not every QB will walk into a situation where they'll be put in position to make plays so to speak. Shanahan used parts of the Baylor offense in order to help RG3 get acclimated to the NFL. Why act like every player is supposed to step into the NFL & do what other players have done? Every player isn't the same. 6 starts isn't exactly a good barometer to determine how a player's gonna be throughout his career.

[iluvdaeagles]

andacagar, on 31 January 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I say we stick with Foles and bring in Hixon as abackup and draft either Geno Smith or Emanuel if available in the later rounds (3rd and beyond).

if Dixon is our backup QB we are in trouble

people are putting way to much stock in Dixion

a 28 year old practice squad player that has had 2 serious knee injuries....and now you people want him 1 hit away from being our starting QB

genius

[macgregor]

armchairGM3, on 30 January 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

http://www.philly.co...Donnellon_.html

I liked what I saw from Foles: decisive, smart, anticipates throws, doesn't take many sacks. Everyone said Foles would get killed behind a weak offensive line, since Vick was. But as I said before, the problem would better be solved by a decisive QB that can read the defense, recognize where the pressure is coming from, and get rid of the ball accordingly. I don't think it is a coincidence that once Foles became the starter Philly sports writers started saying the o-line was gelling. But I digress.

This article gives me hope that Foles could be the guy next year. Good stuff.

I just don't get these media bogus reports about how the Eagles would trade Foles. Dig beyond the surface and you see -as with most 'sports journalism' it's pure speculation. If it's wishful thinking, it's not because those spouting this garbage are Eagles fans. The kid makes $700,000 a year! For a rookie he didn't suck -especially coming off the bench surrounded by second stringers. As fast as he learned the playbook and as smart as he is? WTF is going on here? Sonny Jurgensen and now this.

[eaglefan78]

jReese, on 31 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I agree with the guy who said the love for Foles came because he brought something different. I think many Philly fans want so badley to move away from a runningQB, they want that pocket passer....

and i do too, but Foles just isn't the guy. Lets be honest....and the whole "He was just a roo..Hekie excuse" doesn't fly.....You see what other Rookies are doing...

Plain and simple, Foles had the softest part of the schedule, he went in against some of the worst teams in the league, and struggled horribly.....He's just not that guy.

The OTHER rookies started from day 1. They were able to take the momentum of training camp, preseason, and first team reps into the whole season. If Nick also had that same schedule, then you can adequately compare them. But for a rookie to essentially play lights out in preseason and then sit for 10 weeks and be expected to play at a high level without growing pains is beyond retarded. He was really getting into a groove in those last few games. It's really too bad we wasted 10 games on Vick, when Foles could've really used them to grow. In the end we went 4-12 anyways.

[greenpassion]

AceofSpades, on 31 January 2013 - 01:16 PM, said:

The whole team played bad. Don't make it seem like Foles was supposed to be the guy to change everything, he's only 1 player. The whole team struggled not just him.

Let's look at what the other rookies have done. Yes RG3, Luck, & Wilson had success and all made the playoffs. Let's remember that their coaches were calling games to their strengths, when's the last time you heard about Andy Reid doing that?

Not every QB will walk into a situation where they'll be put in position to make plays so to speak. Shanahan used parts of the Baylor offense in order to help RG3 get acclimated to the NFL. Why act like every player is supposed to step into the NFL & do what other players have done? Every player isn't the same. 6 starts isn't exactly a good barometer to determine how a player's gonna be throughout his career.

yo bub your correct mostly but isnt this what alot of us have been saying all season but people wanted to say that it was only vick that was struggling and foles would make everything better. he would make the line play better? the defense would be better being on the sideline mostly and playing with a lead? isnt this what you were saying would happen.

the EAGLES were bad this past season and no qb would have done anything with this bunch and coaching staff. im glad vick had the guts to come out and say they stunk and gave up and he hated marty just like all of us

[selassieyouth]

BillTheButcher, on 30 January 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

i keep going back to the play vs the bucs. no not the game wining TD to maclin but the play where he got everyone to the LOS and got them set to spike the ball. we havent seen anything like that in sooooooo long. that simple spike was my fav play of the year.

Remember when a spike could have been all we needed to have a shot at beating the Packers? Instead Vick ran up to the line and under threw a Fade to Cooper that was picked off in the end zone....

A spike. One spike to stop the clock. QB smarts is important. An understanding of time and position is important. There was no need to rush that play and doing cost them the game.

Vick has not really returned to the early 2010 form either so I see no reason to keep beating a dead horse....

[forevereagles]

jReese, on 30 January 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Foles went, what was it, 1-6? Only stat that matters against some of the worst teams in the league. He had the soft end of the schedule....No excuses.

Every team he played was in play off contention and played their best football, regardless to what  you think they were. How the hell is that the soft end of the schedule?

You're the one looking for excuses to trash the kid. We understand he didn't play up to the level of those other rookie QB's. But than he didn't have the same opportunities they were given either. A FACT that you and those like you choose to ignore.

He, unlike your boy Vick, is still a young kid . With plenty of up side .Time on his side to mature and develope  at this level with the right coaches behind him. I for one feel pretty good about his chances to be successful. Now with a new set of coaches. Who are use to working with young  men(of his age group)  and knows how to help them to  develope to have success.

It's just a damn shame that you can't give the kid a chance. Like you want everyone to continue to give your guy Vick another chance. Like he hasn't had 11 seasons worth of chances already. When is enough enough with him for you guys?

[forevereagles]

jReese, on 31 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

I agree with the guy who said the love for Foles came because he brought something different. I think many Philly fans want so badley to move away from a runningQB, they want that pocket passer....

and i do too, but Foles just isn't the guy. Lets be honest....and the whole "He was just a roo..Hekie excuse" doesn't fly.....You see what other Rookies are doing...

Plain and simple, Foles had the softest part of the schedule, he went in against some of the worst teams in the league, and struggled horribly.....He's just not that guy.

The only part of this post that I agree with is that most  eagle fans are sick of the running QB's. For the simple reason they have failed to amount to anything of signifigance. In other words failed to turn that athelticism into a Lombardi trophy.

McNabb and Vick both have had one injury plauged season after another. All because they are too quick to give up on their reads, and want to escape the pressure comming at them.

Coaches are comming up with ways to take away that athleticism .  It may take them a full season of watching game tape on these kind of QB's. But eventually they develope a scheme that will keep them from doing what they do best . And that is get out of the pocket to use their athleticism.

Cam Newton was all the rave in 2011, and what  was his  2012 season like? Not anything near what he did in 2011. You'll see a much different RG3 next season as well.  And  Wilson.  Teams have plenty of film on these guys now.

Luck is the only one who isn't in the running QB mode, and he did pretty well for himself and his team.Because he ( as did the others ) had a full season as the known starter from the day he was drafted. He had a coaching staff that designed plays to exploit his strengths. Two things Foles did not have.

Foles is not a statue back there . He is mobile enough to avoid the pressure, and to make plays on the move. He has football smarts. I'll take smarts over athelticism every day.