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[SNOORDA]

I thinks so. There are so many other needs on this team right now.

Avant, Maclin, DJax, Cooper, D. Johnson should do just fine.

I would like to see Djax giving up some of his reps at WR to Cooper and D. Johnson. Use DJax for Punt Returns and as a decoy on gimmick plays.

I would like to see Cooper get more play time. He is a nice big target for the young Foles. Give him a few of Djax reps and a few of Maclins reps who both struggle to stay on the field from injury as it is.

I know DJax is paid like a #1 but he isn't built like one. Forget about how much he makes. Use him where he is the biggest threat. Get him in motion often and make the d adjust because he is the ultimate decoy.

Draft heavy on O-line and Secondary

[Season Tickets]

Receiving wise they maybe okay but in the past Chips WR's were counted on heavily for blocking.  So that could change things...

[vic92353]

I know a lot of folks want a big wide receiver.  But I actually think any improvenment in any area is a good thing.  But the WRposition is ok at this time,  and other needs are way ahead of this position.  

[c3neely]

were ok, but goddamn what I would do for one of those monster recievers that just dominate games....calvin johnson, AJ Green, Marshal, DThomas....if not them, atleast give me a dominant TE.  Celek is alright, but would always be down for an upgrade

[BtotheH]

At this time the WR position is OK but not great IMO.

Jackson and Maclin are great getting us near the RZ but as soon as we get there they disapear and we leaned on McCoy or Celek.

To me 2013 is all about seeing if Jackson can get back to his 1,000 yard seasons with some TD's, see if Maclin can be as advertised and stay healthy. We all know what Avant can do but he is getting older.

Cooper and Johnson will always just remain back-ups. So depending on what Jackson and Maclin do this year under Kelly, we may need to start drafting WR's in the next 1-2 years.

[vic92353]

If ever one is available go for it,  but at this point they need to repair the leaks at the much needed positions. WR is not a major concern  at this point.  

[DEagle7]

While I agree DB, OLB, NT, and OT are more pressing needs, I don't think we're completely "fine" at the offensive skill positions.  Personally I think we need a more imposing threat in the short/intermediate game to complement the burners on the outside.  Celek/Avant have been solid, but certainly nothing to keep a defense honest.  A stud in the slot/TE/or even a Sproles-type pass-catching scatback would give the Eagles legitimate threats in the short, mid, and long range.

That being said it looks like this draft isn't exactly ripe with offensive skill players.  Ertz/Eiffert would be luxury picks that we don't have. I'm fine with Kelly shoring up the defense and OL while giving Cooper a hard look, so long as he recognizes the holes and addresses them later. We have too many problems to fix this team with one off-season.

[Machine]

We're fine there.

[Matt101292]

We definately need someone to come in and compete for the slot job that is good enough to be a third outside player. If Jackson or Maclin is down I dont like Avant, Johnson, or Cooper on the outside.  Id like a harvin/cobb rb-like do all slot player and then a big bodied seam stetching tight end. If not we need a Bigger fast deep and redzone threat to compliment maclin and jackson that might make one of them become the slot guy on 3 wr sets.  But we NEED to add atleast 1 target that could improve our redzone offense and ill add we could never have to many Passsing targets. If we can haver a player that comes in and makes Avant a number 4 that will be great. I think tight end will be an offseason priority for howie and chip no matter what, wide receiver is lower down their list i believe

[SNOORDA]

This is why I wanted to start this thread.

I know most think we could do better at WR and thats true. However, out of the teams in the Playoffs this year, only Atlanta had big threat WRs.

Avant comes up big on 3rd downs. Celek had a down year but I think he is still a very good TE. Cooper needs more looks before we call him a back-up. Foles and Maclin seem to has some good chemistry.
When you add Shady and Brown (the best RB combo in the Division) into the equation there is no reason this offense can't get back to putting up 30 plus point on even the best D's(if the o-line gets fixed)

[daftpunk]

Since DJax has gotten his guaranteed money, he needs to start playing some slot.  Quick passes to DJax are crucial due to his speed and playmaking ability.  His concussion was a freak occurence(mostly due to the pass that Kolb threw).  He should be able to do things in the slot that Welker can't do.  Quick slants, curls and cross routes should be 30-40% of his game.

[daftpunk]

Celek had a horrible year.  A lot of it could be blamed by injuries I guess but everyone around here has such a man crush on him.  The amount of drops vs. targets was staggering this past year and how many times have we seen him tip a pass that he was not ready to catch right into a defender.  The Eagles would be smart to bring in lots of TE competition as well as target someone in the draft.  Celek has the occasional big play where the defense forgets about him but they were too far and too few inbetween.  Sorry but Harbor is not the answer.

[nottsfootballfan]

Cooper can't get open.

[Thochrun]

Jennings, Wallace

[daftpunk]

Avant seems to be a placeholder for the WR corps.  He's had some good moments and has had some amazing catches.  Other teams are not scared of Avant.  Do you know how many touchdowns Avant has had in the past 3 years?  2.  The Eagles have never had any issues moving from the 20 to the 20.  It's inside the 20 and Avant does not bring anything to the table in the red zone.  Nice hands fine.  How long does it take for him to get open?  Plus Avant is approaching 30 years of age so very little time left.  Even if he runs routes perfectly, a younger inexperienced CB can catch up to him quickly.  Personally I think Avant's spot is either 4th or 5th WR with lots of Special teams action.

[skyboca]

I would like to see a solid 6-3 WR who can go over the middle and break some tackles.

[daftpunk]

nottsfootballfan, on 30 January 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Cooper can't get open.

And to finish our WR squad, he is right.  Cooper's route running is less than desirable plus he's no speed demon.  What he adds is his jumping ability and his height.  If the Eagles don't improve their corps in the offseason and Cooper is 3 or 4 on the chart, they will be stuck with serious lackluster talent at WR.  If anyone thinks D. Johnson should be on the team, they should think again.  The Giants have an undrafted WR named Cruz who is better than our whole WR squad.  Teams know Cruz is getting the ball and even with double teams he still gets open.  When's the last time you've heard #10, #18, #81, do anything like what he has done the last 2 years?

[TV Guy]

Machine, on 30 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

We're fine there.

That is so 1999-2012.

[Flyin' Brian]

We have no clue what Chip thinks of our WRs.  So it is impossible to answer this question.

[Matt101292]

Teams with good lbs were covering Jason with Linebackers and it made me wanna puke! Teams cant be able to play our 3 wr sets with a base look, get someone with good speed some quickness and explosiveness, and i dont care about height they can be 6' Zero as long as there solidly built and go up and get the football like a golden tate, victor cruz, steve smith. I think adding a player like that and a big tight end would open our offense up greatly.

[SNOORDA]

daftpunk, on 30 January 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

And to finish our WR squad, he is right.  Cooper's route running is less than desirable plus he's no speed demon.  What he adds is his jumping ability and his height.  If the Eagles don't improve their corps in the offseason and Cooper is 3 or 4 on the chart, they will be stuck with serious lackluster talent at WR.  If anyone thinks D. Johnson should be on the team, they should think again.  The Giants have an undrafted WR named Cruz who is better than our whole WR squad.  Teams know Cruz is getting the ball and even with double teams he still gets open.  When's the last time you've heard #10, #18, #81, do anything like what he has done the last 2 years?

I am trying to look at this group in a, "what can they do in a new offense that is not so predictibale" type of light.

No Marty and no AR. Also a Qb that can read a Defense and adjust to it at the line better than Vick. A QB that can see the field.

I do agree that someone needs to come in to compete with Avant do to his age. But other than that, I would like to give this group a chance under CK.

I also think these WR's are not bad at down field blocking. That's more of a mentality and they will do it if they are are all-in with CK.

[Moe_Green]

Machine, on 30 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

We're fine there.

LOL

"I have to do a better job of putting players in a position to make plays"

the scary thing is i've already heard CK say "We need to put players in position to make plays" about 3 times in reference to his offensive philosophy

[Machine]

Moe_Green, on 30 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

LOL

"I have to do a better job of putting players in a position to make plays"

the scary thing is i've already heard CK say "We need to put players in position to make plays" about 3 times in reference to his offensive philosophy

He took too much from Andy's phone call.

[Codegreen]

Thochrun, on 30 January 2013 - 03:47 PM, said:

Jennings, Wallace

I don't understand why people want either of those two. IMO talent wise Jennings = Maclin and Jackson = Wallace. I could understand Bowe because he's a more physical go up and get it type of receiver, but I think Kelly can really get the best out of what we already have at WR.

[johncp]

No, bigger with speed trumps smaller with speed.

[B3]

Machine, on 30 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

We're fine there.

^ This guy takes Reid's hairy sausage deep.

[daftpunk]

SNOORDA, on 30 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

I am trying to look at this group in a, "what can they do in a new offense that is not so predictibale" type of light.

Maybe change the subject of the thread?  Maclin and Jackson provide speed but are they one trick ponies?  Avant and Cooper offer nothing special and Celek has been inconsistent.  Hanging your hat on Cooper and D. Johnson while using Jackson as a decoy is silly.  Jackson makes money and should be running different types of plays every down.  He's the kind of WR when he's not involved he becomes complacent and takes plays off.  Similarly, when he does some stuff in the beginning of a game, he feels like he's earned his paycheck and takes plays off later in the game.

Maclin is the bigger question mark because he has a decent build for his speed but is afraid to get hit.  I'm sure many can recall how many times Maclin has fallen to the ground after catching the ball for fear of getting hit.  Look at our #1 and #2 and try to remember how many great catches either have had the last 2-3 years.  I am sure it's less than counting one hand..

[WetFerret]

Not the biggest concern on the team.  But if something became possible, I'd look at it.

[Fitz2k2]

johncp, on 30 January 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

No, bigger with speed trumps smaller with speed.

THANKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK U.Chip Kelly better draft a physical tall wr. We all know maclin or jax will get injured again

[SNOORDA]

daftpunk, on 30 January 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

Maybe change the subject of the thread?  Maclin and Jackson provide speed but are they one trick ponies?  Avant and Cooper offer nothing special and Celek has been inconsistent.  Hanging your hat on Cooper and D. Johnson while using Jackson as a decoy is silly.  Jackson makes money and should be running different types of plays every down.  He's the kind of WR when he's not involved he becomes complacent and takes plays off.  Similarly, when he does some stuff in the beginning of a game, he feels like he's earned his paycheck and takes plays off later in the game.

Maclin is the bigger question mark because he has a decent build for his speed but is afraid to get hit.  I'm sure many can recall how many times Maclin has fallen to the ground after catching the ball for fear of getting hit.  Look at our #1 and #2 and try to remember how many great catches either have had the last 2-3 years.  I am sure it's less than counting one hand..

I didn't really think I had to add this to the title. We all know this will be a different offesive scheme than AR's.

Also, I didn't mean Djax should be used a decoy all the time (obviously). But the point was more that if you move him around, the d must react. They must put their speed with his speed as well as Safety help. If they don't, he is your 1st option. If they do, he is then the decoy and has opened the field up for Shady and the screen or Celek in the middle of the field. This should be done more than it was with AR.

I have higher hopes for Cooper than most. I think he can be the red zone threat and a solid #2 (if something happened to Maclin or Djax) going into his 3rd season. Its possible that a new scheme and better QB play will get him over the hump.