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[Quincler]

Dave, Bobbie Williams is still in this league and starting after 13 years.  He was awful for us from 2000-2002.  So I am not giving up hope on Danny Watkins just yet.  We saw the same thing with Jermane Mayberry.  New Coach and a new Oline Coach, things can change.

[Regal]

Watkins biggest problem is supposedly he doesn't want to play football. It doesn't matter what tools you have if you don't have the heart. Hope you are right though.

[PhillyPhan13]

Quincler, on 31 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Dave, Bobbie Williams is still in this league and starting after 13 years.  He was awful for us from 2000-2002.  So I am not giving up hope on Danny Watkins just yet.  We saw the same thing with Jermane Mayberry.  New Coach and a new Oline Coach, things can change.

For sure.  Hopefully a coaching change is what he needs.  It'd be a nice surprise if it turns out he can play.

[mjkvol]

Regal, on 31 January 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Watkins biggest problem is supposedly he doesn't want to play football.

Now there's an attitude you look for when investing a 1st round pick.  

[f_dallas]

Watkins is a weird case.  It was obviously (to most people) an awful pick from the minute they made it, but all the talk about his lack of passion for the game and the sudden mention of a "chronic" ankle injury they knew about when they picked him is really unusual.  He's going to turn 29 this year...I don't have high hopes for his future, but maybe he'll turn it around.

[mjkvol]

f_dallas, on 31 January 2013 - 01:22 PM, said:

all the talk about his lack of passion for the game and the sudden mention of a "chronic" ankle injury they knew about when they picked him is really unusual.

Other words come more immediately to mind, although I'm sure you're being a bit facetious.

[patpikunas]

Quincler, on 31 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Dave, Bobbie Williams is still in this league and starting after 13 years.  He was awful for us from 2000-2002.  So I am not giving up hope on Danny Watkins just yet.  We saw the same thing with Jermane Mayberry.  New Coach and a new Oline Coach, things can change.

Problem is, when you REACH for a 28 year old in the first round, you don't have a lot of time to be patient and hope that things can change.

It was not a good pick... plain and simple.

[KOJO]

Hated the pick then, hate it even more today. Guy's obviously more interested in fighting fires & playing hockey. I see no reason for hope there.

[eagle45]

Maybe next time we pick a RG in round 1, we should do a little more homework to make sure he likes to play football.  0/2 on that front now.

[mjkvol]

eagle45, on 31 January 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

next time we pick a RG in round 1.....

Hopefully those days are well behind us.

[Rodney_Zero]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Now there's an attitude you look for when investing a 1st round pick.  

You could say that about jamrcus Russell, Vernon, Gholston, Ryan Leaf, etc........

I remember that draft very well, why?, after the top 5 picks or so that draft was beyond weak, and I watch it avery year, read the Magazines, listen to the draft guru's etc... That pick and where we picked him was all documneted on Watkins pretty much right, can never tell about what's in  a player's head like the 3 I mentioned above and others as well.

[f_dallas]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Hopefully those days are well behind us.

Exactly...maybe the next time they think about taking a Guard in the first round, they should waterboard the guy who proposes the idea and take a player at a position of importance.

[Rodney_Zero]

f_dallas, on 31 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Exactly...maybe the next time they think about taking a Guard in the first round, they should waterboard the guy who proposes the idea and take a player at a position of importance.

Nothing wrong with taking a guard in the 1st rd, just don't take a guy whole played basically one year, it's called drafting a FSU DL syndrome, and like I said, that draft was horrid in terms at impact players pretty much. If it was the Steelers and he did well everyone on these boards would've cried their eyes out, but it's us, U know, the only team in the NFL that "can't draft"

[mjkvol]

Rodney_Zero, on 31 January 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Nothing wrong with taking a guard in the 1st rd, just don't take a guy whole played basically one year, it's called drafting a FSU DL syndrome, and like I said, that draft was horrid in terms at impact players pretty much. If it was the Steelers and he did well everyone on these boards would've cried their eyes out, but it's us, U know, the only team in the NFL that "can't draft"

There is everything wrong with taking a guard in the 1st round - it just isn't a good use of resources, Rodney, regardless of whatever reason you have to defend all things Reid.       Unless, of course, we're talking about Larry Allen, or some other once in a decade talent.

If Reid had even been half a**ed in the draft over the last 4-5 years, he wouldn't have left this franchise in such dreadful shape that they needed to use FA to plug gaping holes.   

I'm not sure if you realize this, but moaning about the quality of the draft, or comparing them to other teams that draft badly doesn't exactly elevate the guy you desperately want to defend on every issue.

[mjkvol]

Rodney_Zero, on 31 January 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

You could say that about jamrcus Russell, Vernon, Gholston, Ryan Leaf, etc........

So that makes the hideous Watkins pick OK??  

[f_dallas]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

There is everything wrong with taking a guard in the 1st round - it just isn't a good use of resources, Rodney, regardless of whatever reason you have to defend all things Reid.    Unless, of course, we're talking about Larry Allen, or some other once in a decade talent.

If Reid had even been half a**ed in the draft over the last 4-5 years, he wouldn't have left this franchise in such dreadful shape that they needed to use FA to plug gaping holes.   

I'm not sure if you realize this, but moaning about the quality of the draft, or comparing them to other teams that draft badly doesn't exactly elevate the guy you desperately want to defend on every issue.

Yeah, it's just not a good idea in most cases.  If you're taking a guard in round one, he'd better be an exceptional talent filling a big hole.

Of course this particular guard was a terrible decision for countless reasons (inexperienced, extremely overaged, switching positions, switching sides, etc., etc., etc.), but guards might be the least important position on the field, after fullback.  That's not to say they are unimportant, but they are unimportant relative to other positions.

[CT Eagle]

Quincler, on 31 January 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Dave, Bobbie Williams is still in this league and starting after 13 years.  He was awful for us from 2000-2002.  So I am not giving up hope on Danny Watkins just yet.  We saw the same thing with Jermane Mayberry.  New Coach and a new Oline Coach, things can change.

In 13 years Watkins will be 48 years old....just sayin

[DaveSpadaro]

There is no question that Danny's 2012 was extremely disappointing. He has a lot to prove. I hope he comes in with a great attitude and thrives in this scheme. We don't yet know the system, but based on the past Kelly's system demands athletic linemen. That's my question with Danny: Is he athletic enough ot play well in a system that demands that linemen move and be light on their feet? We shall see

[NOTW]

They tried lighting a fire under Danny's butt to get him going, but he kept putting it out and doing fire safety workshops.

[f_dallas]

DaveSpadaro, on 02 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

There is no question that Danny's 2012 was extremely disappointing. He has a lot to prove. I hope he comes in with a great attitude and thrives in this scheme. We don't yet know the system, but based on the past Kelly's system demands athletic linemen. That's my question with Danny: Is he athletic enough ot play well in a system that demands that linemen move and be light on their feet? We shall see

Isn't that the same general idea as Mudd's system?  Isn't that why they drafted him?  He's not exactly a road grader, after all.

[seengreen]

Hold up, you guys are confusing me.

Wasn't Watkins drafted because of his size, age (i.e. maturity) and ability to really run block? The ability to step right in and play? Wasn't he a projected perfect fit for Mudd's scheme?

If anything, Shawn Andrews proved to us that no matter your talent, if you're not all about football, it comes out and shows. Watkins is similar in that he hasn't adamantly proven he's a football lifer. Yet, he has shied away and taken umbrage to criticism of his difficulties. If I was him, I'd go bear-handed, bear hunting in Russia or Alaska with Zangief. That would shut you all up.

[Operator 7]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Now there's an attitude you look for when investing a 1st round pick.  

lmao

[NOTW]

seengreen, on 04 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Hold up, you guys are confusing me.

Wasn't Watkins drafted because of his size, age (i.e. maturity) and ability to really run block? The ability to step right in and play? Wasn't he a projected perfect fit for Mudd's scheme?

If anything, Shawn Andrews proved to us that no matter your talent, if you're not all about football, it comes out and shows. Watkins is similar in that he hasn't adamantly proven he's a football lifer. Yet, he has shied away and taken umbrage to criticism of his difficulties. If I was him, I'd go bear-handed, bear hunting in Russia or Alaska with Zangief. That would shut you all up.

Rumor was, he was a "Mudd" guy.  So was Kelce.

When people scoffed at drafting a guy who had not played football his entire life and only started a few years before the draft and was so old for a rookie, Reid said that because of his age/maturity, he'd be able to step in as a day 1 starter.  Then he held out in camp during the lockout/shortened offseason and did not start until later in the season.

Nevermind that guys who are the typical age for rookies also can start day 1.

[eaglesguru]

patpikunas, on 31 January 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

Problem is, when you REACH for a 28 year old in the first round, you don't have a lot of time to be patient and hope that things can change.

It was not a good Draft...( fixed) plain and simple.

jarett marsh rolle... thanks Andy!!!

[kitko60]

mjkvol, on 31 January 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Hopefully those days are well behind us.

I hope not actually!  I would love to see the Eagles trade down and land Chance Warmack.  He could be a dominant RG for 10+ years.  If the Eagles can somehow trade down then trade back up into the end of round 1 and come away with Warmack and Elam(or Trufant) I would be singing the Eagles praises!!

[seengreen]

NOTW, on 04 February 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Rumor was, he was a "Mudd" guy.  So was Kelce.

When people scoffed at drafting a guy who had not played football his entire life and only started a few years before the draft and was so old for a rookie, Reid said that because of his age/maturity, he'd be able to step in as a day 1 starter.  Then he held out in camp during the lockout/shortened offseason and did not start until later in the season.

Nevermind that guys who are the typical age for rookies also can start day 1.

Kelce has steadily improved his game. I like him for years to come.

Watkins has looked lost and confused for the greater part of 2 full seasons. He did miss time with the ankle injury. We had a rotation there. It was a mess. Danny is a good run blocker. But in pass pro he's easily overpowered, or reacts too slowly. He never uses his own size to his advantage.

He's another one of the famous Andy Reid Potential draft picks. He has more upside in potential than actual game play. Danny could be this or that. Danny is none of what we thought he should be. We should have drafted JPP, we should have drafted E. Thomas, etc... I like Kendricks. But I wanted us to draft Keuchly. Keuchly had a monster season. Look how that turned out.

[Hank_TheBody_Fraley]

DaveSpadaro, on 02 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

There is no question that Danny's 2012 was extremely disappointing. He has a lot to prove. I hope he comes in with a great attitude and thrives in this scheme. We don't yet know the system, but based on the past Kelly's system demands athletic linemen. That's my question with Danny: Is he athletic enough ot play well in a system that demands that linemen move and be light on their feet? We shall see

One would assume a firefighter would have at least some of that...

[sacook817]

The Mudd and Washburn hires ultimately cost Reid his job.  In my opinion.  BOTH were bad decisions.  Too much of one thing can cost you in the trenches.  You need speed AND power.

[mjkvol]

sacook817, on 05 February 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

The Mudd and Washburn hires ultimately cost Reid his job.  In my opinion.  BOTH were bad decisions.  Too much of one thing can cost you in the trenches.  You need speed AND power.

And yet I'll never forget the swooning on here and elsewhere when those hires were made.        I remember posting on here something to the effect of "we are talking about line coaches, right?"           People were carrying on as if Bud Carson and Norv Turner had been hired to run each side of the ball.

[mjkvol]

kitko60, on 04 February 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

I hope not actually!  I would love to see the Eagles trade down and land Chance Warmack.  He could be a dominant RG for 10+ years.  If the Eagles can somehow trade down then trade back up into the end of round 1 and come away with Warmack and Elam(or Trufant) I would be singing the Eagles praises!!

If Warmack could be had at the end of Round 1, especially if we were able to score a secondary guy in the deal, I'd agree.       But that's a pipe dream, because Warmack will be gone by the middle of the 1st.

Besides, I'd rather come out of that kind of deal with a secondary player and a big WR, or a NT or OLB if we're going 3-4.