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[DEagle7]

As fun as it is to select our favorite first round pick/trades, it's also important to keep in mind a contingency plan if "your guys" aren't there at #4.  It wouldn't be difficult to imagine this happening:

• Joeckel, Lotulelei, and Moore are off the board 1,2,3 (not to get into the Werner vs Moore debate, I just think he is more likely to be selected by the Jags/Raiders based on scheme).
  
  
• Jarvis Jones is checked out by the medical staff and they don't like what they see.  His injury has a serious chance at significantly shortening his career or worse.
  
  
• Geno has a horrible combine so no one wants to trade up with Joeckel/Star off the board, so we're stuck at #4.

You're on the clock, and everyone available has some baggage.

Bjoern Werner is considered a pure 4-3 DE prospect. Chance Warmack, Dee Milliner, and Matt Elam would be solid pick ups but are considered reaches at #4 based on their skill/positions. Barkevious Mingo and  Ezekiel Ansah are both extremely raw.  Eric Fisher's stock is rising after the senior bowl, but is a questionable selection considering the level of competition he faced in college/lack of elite body strength. Geno Smith is, well....you know the story with Geno Smith. Etc etc etc...

So who's the pick?

Running Tab:

Milliner: 6
Warmack: 8
Fisher: 2
Werner: 2
Jordan: 1
Ansah: 1
Mingo: 1

[RedZoneD25]

Milliner for me.

[Regal]

Dee Milliner.

[Trips]

Trade down

or Warmack... I don't care if it's a positional reach. This guy has the makings to be the best guard since Larry Allen.

[DEagle7]

Trips, on 31 January 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Trade down

No trade downs, that's part of the challenge.  It's not hard to imagine with Joeckel/Star off the board the #4 spot doesn't hold a lot of appeal.

[Trips]

DEagle7, on 31 January 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

No trade downs, that's part of the challenge.  It's not hard to imagine with Joeckel/Star off the board the #4 spot doesn't hold a lot of appeal.

Yeah. Guess I should have read it all...

Warmack then. Real ability to be an elite player at his position. Don't think I can say that about any of the other guys left.

[Golfesv]

I would go Bjoern Werner only because it is BPA, I want Elam but that might a reach but maybe not after the combine we will see.

[DEagle7]

Golfesv, on 31 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

I would go Bjoern Werner only because it is BPA, I want Elam but that might a reach but maybe not after the combine we will see.

I would love Werner if we were sticking with the 4-3.  If the future DC can set up a hybrid scheme where he's essentially a 4-3 DE he'd be my pick as well.  In a pure 3-4 system I think he'd be out of place though.

[WaitingForSomeday]

I think a team would trade up for Geno.  I don't know if Moore would be as hot commodity with the the depth at DE in this draft.

1: G.Smith
2: S.Lotuleile
3: L.Joeckel

and we're really jammed up.

D.Jordan or E.Fisher, I suppose.

[NWMontana]

Trade back 3-5 spots and grab  Ziggy,  gonna be special......   Jesse Williams in the second......

Ziggy   ----    Williams  ----  Cox    Nice start to the new 3-4

[Eagle Gator 12]

At this point it's wide open. Fisher has crept into the top 10 on some draft sites so he is a real possibility. I want a Defensive player but I don't think any warrant a top 5 pick but Star and if he's gone I dunno

[NotJoshua]

Chance Warmack or Eric Fischer (pending results from Combine of course).

[DEagle7]

NWMontana, on 31 January 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Trade back 3-5 spots and grab  Ziggy,  gonna be special......   Jesse Williams in the second......

Ziggy   ---- Williams  ----  Cox    Nice start to the new 3-4

Just to clarify again I'm asking what you would do if you couldn't trade back.  Personally if Star isn't there I would prefer to move back, and yeah it's possible someone will make a jump for Geno but I'm thinking absolute worst case scenario.

I'll keep track of votes in the first post.

[Shutdown Sheldon]

Milliner. Add firepower to our weakest area.

[Innocence096]

Warmack. dude can step in and start from day one. Also gets the fireman off the field

[BirdGang45]

Dee Milliner, our secondary is laughable

[Robbieb77]

1. Trade down
2. Milliner
3. Fisher

[pgcd3]

I think Warmack is the best player relative to his position in the draft. He might be the best guard in a decade whereas the others probably have even been tops at their position last season. If they took Warmack over anyone I really wouldn't be upset. Throw Watkins out he was just a terrible pick and shouldn't enter into the discussion

[AceofSpades]

pgcd3, on 31 January 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

I think Warmack is the best player relative to his position in the draft. He might be the best guard in a decade whereas the others probably have even been tops at their position last season. If they took Warmack over anyone I really wouldn't be upset. Throw Watkins out he was just a terrible pick and shouldn't enter into the discussion

Warmack is hands down the best guard in this draft. People don't like taking guards high in the draft. Their thinking is that they don't necessarily value guards as high as other positions. My feeling is, if the guy can solidify and turn a weakness into a strength, if the guy can be on your team and hold down his spot for years to come, you take him. Also people say trade down and pick him up. If he's clearly the best at his position and if you really want the guy you take him when you can especially if you don't think he'd make it to your pick when you trade back.

[time2rock]

pgcd3, on 31 January 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

I think Warmack is the best player relative to his position in the draft. He might be the best guard in a decade whereas the others probably have even been tops at their position last season. If they took Warmack over anyone I really wouldn't be upset. Throw Watkins out he was just a terrible pick and shouldn't enter into the discussion

I agree in that I wouldn't be upset if Warmack was our first pick (preferably if we trade down a tad).  But I'd like to see what Watkins could do in a traditional OL scheme - he really struggled with Mudd's crazy footwork/blocking scheme.  He'd be (relatively) cheap depth (worst-case scenario), if he shows something.

[Trips]

AceofSpades, on 01 February 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Warmack is hands down the best guard in this draft. People don't like taking guards high in the draft. Their thinking is that they don't necessarily value guards as high as other positions. My feeling is, if the guy can solidify and turn a weakness into a strength, if the guy can be on your team and hold down his spot for years to come, you take him. Also people say trade down and pick him up. If he's clearly the best at his position and if you really want the guy you take him when you can especially if you don't think he'd make it to your pick when you trade back.

He's not just the best guard in this draft. He's probably the best guard in the last 10 drafts... that's why this is a situation where a positional reach wouldn't upset me that much.

Guards usually don't go that high, but this is a once in a decade type of player. I would have no complaints.

[Trips]

time2rock, on 01 February 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

I agree in that I wouldn't be upset if Warmack was our first pick (preferably if we trade down a tad).  But I'd like to see what Watkins could do in a traditional OL scheme - he really struggled with Mudd's crazy footwork/blocking scheme.  He'd be (relatively) cheap depth (worst-case scenario), if he shows something.

This is a very good point. I'm interested to see what Watkins can do now... but I don't have high hopes.

On top of that, I fear that Evan Mathis is going to struggle now that he isn't in Mudd's scheme. Remember, under Mudd is really the only time he managed success in the league (like Babin with Washburn)

[EaglezINPhila]

For me it's gotta be Warmack, whether it's a reach or not he will be an elite interior lineman in the NFL.  Taking him at 4 gets us out of the running for Barrett Jones in the second unfortunately, but Warmack is the smart pick at four in my opinion, most upside, and least chance of it being a bad pick down the road.

[DEagle7]

Guess I'll insert my own opinion too.

IF our defense includes a 4-3 DE-like position, I'd go Bjoern Werner.  Since it seems like we'll be more of a 3-4 next year I'd say Warmack.

[Eagle Gator 12]

DEagle7, on 01 February 2013 - 11:03 AM, said:

Guess I'll insert my own opinion too.

IF our defense includes a 4-3 DE-like position, I'd go Bjoern Werner.  Since it seems like we'll be more of a 3-4 next year I'd say Warmack.

Even if the full transition isn't until next year you can't draft a guy for one year. Werner may not work in a 3-4. He isn't a 3-4 DE or OLB, that's not saying he can't fit into a 3-4 but what if he can't. I would say take someone who fits into a 3-4 but can play 4-3 not vise versa. Bjoern is a monster though

[downundermike]

Milliner

[pgcd3]

time2rock, on 01 February 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

I agree in that I wouldn't be upset if Warmack was our first pick (preferably if we trade down a tad).  But I'd like to see what Watkins could do in a traditional OL scheme - he really struggled with Mudd's crazy footwork/blocking scheme.  He'd be (relatively) cheap depth (worst-case scenario), if he shows something.

I think Warmack goes top 10. He's that good. Can you trade down a few spots? Maybe but you'd better like somebody else there besides Warmack just in case. I think Mathis will do fine under Kelly. Supposedly he likes athletic lineman

[DEagle7]

Eagle Gator 12, on 01 February 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Even if the full transition isn't until next year you can't draft a guy for one year. Werner may not work in a 3-4. He isn't a 3-4 DE or OLB, that's not saying he can't fit into a 3-4 but what if he can't. I would say take someone who fits into a 3-4 but can play 4-3 not vise versa. Bjoern is a monster though

Just to clarify I wasn't saying a transition 4-3, more of a permanent hybrid scheme where where he could play his natural position.

[Asiragusa]

Warmack

[TSims]

Mingo