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[AllPhillyFan]

This is how the hall of fame works, it took Chris Doleman a few years as well.  The fact that players like Randy Gradishar, Jim Marshall, Johnny Robinson, Isiah Robertson, and Kevin Greene aren't in yet is a bigger crime than Strahan not getting in on his 1st ballot.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

I actually think there should be a much higher standard for "first ballot" guys than those that have been eligible before. Make "first ballot" harder to achieve and thereby, make it mean more.

[Rodney_Zero]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 05 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

How about Vermeil? I haven't analyzed his career compared to other coaches, but he did take two different franchises to the Super Bowl, winning one of them. What other coaches have done that? Shula (Colts and Dolphins), Parcells (Gnats and Patriots) and Holmgren (Packers and Seahawks) are all that I can think of.

IIRC he was'nt the HC or with the Colts then?

VaBeach_Eagle, on 05 February 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

I actually think there should be a much higher standard for "first ballot" guys than those that have been eligible before. Make "first ballot" harder to achieve and thereby, make it mean more.

I also think there should be a few more "Gale Sayers Exceptions" in the HOF

Sterling Sharpe & Terrell Davis would be two cases

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Rodney_Zero, on 05 February 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

IIRC he was'nt the HC or with the Colts then?

Yes, he was. That was the 68 season. He was the Colts head coach from 63 to 69.

[MightyJNC]

Sapp sums up why he, and not Strahan was a 1st ballot HOF selection:

“Say if I rewind this to Saturday at 12 o’ clock, me and you are sitting and I say, it breaks down whatever and whatever and then you have Michael Strahan and me. C’mon, the menace and the media darling," Sapp said. “C’mon. Madness or Good Morning America. I mean, c’mon.”

Read more: Sapp says he clearly should have made Hall over Giants great, 'media darling' Strahan http://www.nypost.co...O#ixzz2KDiuLKx8

[Happyfoosball]

MightyJNC, on 07 February 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Sapp sums up why he, and not Strahan was a 1st ballot HOF selection:

“Say if I rewind this to Saturday at 12 o’ clock, me and you are sitting and I say, it breaks down whatever and whatever and then you have Michael Strahan and me. C’mon, the menace and the media darling," Sapp said. “C’mon. Madness or Good Morning America. I mean, c’mon.”

Read more: Sapp says he clearly should have made Hall over Giants great, 'media darling' Strahan http://www.nypost.co...O#ixzz2KDiuLKx8

Wow, I never thought you'd ever get to the point where you'd use a Warren Sapp quote to justify yourself.  You are a Giant hater, a moron, a tool, and now you used a Sapp quote.  I don't even know how someone justifies that here.  Sapp is an idiot.

[Nerdo3]

Happyfoosball, on 03 February 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

This is the absolute definition of a tragedy.  I am utterly shocked and have no idea what to say.  Strahan was the best DL of his generation, Sapp wasn't on his level.  This is ridiculous.

Get your panties outta your vag, he'll get in... Sapp deserved it and Carter was getting snubbed for years. Carter is a top 5 all time WR, Strahan is outside the top 5 spot on DE. So why should strahan get in first ballet if Carter isn't?

[MightyJNC]

Happyfoosball, on 08 February 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Wow, I never thought you'd ever get to the point where you'd use a Warren Sapp quote to justify yourself.  You are a Giant hater, a moron, a tool, and now you used a Sapp quote.  I don't even know how someone justifies that here.  Sapp is an idiot.

Pretty much sums it up.

[Jason1978]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 05 February 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

This is silliness. You're comparing Art Monks stats with a current players? You can't just look at Wikipedia or Pro-Football-Reference.com and think you know what a players career was. Growing up in the D.C. area and in a house of Redskins fans, I watched his entire career from start to finish. I literally remember the day the Redskins drafted him, mostly because I thought the last name Monk was a funny last name.  

I have lived in MD my entire life, grew up watching the Skins and Monk too. My entire family are sadly Redskins fans. You bring up the era he played in as like it was the 50s or 60s. He played from 1980-1995. Irvin retired just four years after he did. Carter, Brown, Fryar etc...guys I compaired him to were playing at that time so it's not like i'm compairing Namath to Brady. The ONLY current player I made mention of was Santana Moss...who is a few td away from Monk's career totals.

I honestly believe the reason Monk and someone like Andre Reed, who has more catches, yards, td, more pro bowls than Monk/Irvin (though lacks the rings, which shouldn't matter) took longer to get in was maybe due to the fact that they stuck around until they were washed up and padded their stats at the end. Monk and Reed played 15-16 years but were pretty much done after years 12-13. Of course Monk finished with the Jets and Eagles. I think the same thing is happening to Tim Brown, who played 16 seasons, padded the numbers at the end and finished with Tampa Bay. It should be interesting to see what becomes of Iasac Bruce...who played 16 seasons, went out past his prime with the Niners. He certainly should be a HOF lock in his first year but will he be? I also think any theory of Monk being held back because he was a nice guy is silly. That dooms Bruce and especially Peyton. Cris Carter wasn't a model citizen and didn't get in right away even though he should have. Or the theory of Tim Brown not making it because of recent comments. That too is stupid.  

As for Monk Vs. Irvin...their numbers were similar however Monk played 65 more games and 4 more seasons. Again...could be the factor that kept him out longer.

[Jason1978]

Top 20 in each category. So what current or recently retired players will make the HOF that are in the top 20? I would assume Owens, Moss and maybe Harrison would be locks the first time but with Cris Carter not a 1st ballot or Tim Brown and Andre Reed still waiting it's hard to really predict anything. Does someone like Isaac Bruce have to wait longer than he should?

Career receptions:
1. Jerry Rice  - 1,549
2. Tony Gonzalez - 1,242
3. Marvin Harrison  - 1,102
4. Cris Carter  - 1,101
5. Tim Brown  - 1,094
6. Terrell Owens  - 1,078
7. Isaac Bruce - 1,024
8. Hines Ward  - 1,000
9. Randy Moss (still active) - 982
10. Reggie Wayne (still active) - 968
11. Andre Reed - 951
12. Derrick Mason  - 943
13. Art Monk  - 940
14. Torry Holt  - 920
15. Keenan McCardell - 883
16. Jimmy Smith - 862
17. Mushin Muhammad - 860
18. Irving Fryar - 851
19. Rod Smith - 849
20. Larry Centers - 827  

Career Receiving Yards:
1. Jerry Rice  - 22,895
2. Terrell Owens - 15,934
3. Randy Moss (still active) - 15,292
4. Isaac Bruce - 15,208
5. Tim Brown - 14,934
6. Marvin Harrison - 14,580
7. Tony Gonzalez - 14,268
8. James Lofton - 14,004
9. Cris Carter - 13,899
10. Henry Ellard - 13,777
11. Torry  Holt - 13,382
12. Andre Reed - 13,198
13. Steve Largent - 13,089
14. Reggie Wayne (still active) - 13,063
15. Irving Fryar - 12,785
16. Art Monk - 12,721
17. Jimmy Smith - 12,287
18. Charlie Joiner - 12,146
19. Hines Ward - 12,086
20. Derrick Mason - 12,061

Career Touchdown Receptions:
1. Jerry Rice - 197
2. Randy Moss (still active) - 156
3. Terrell Owens - 153
4. Cris Carter - 130
5. Marvin Harrison - 128
6. Tony Gonzalez - 103
7. Steve Largent - 100
7. Tim Brown - 100
8. Don Hutson - 99
9. Isaac Bruce - 91
10. Don Maynard - 88
11. Andre Reed - 87
12. Paul Warfield - 85
12. Hines Ward - 85
12. Lance Alworth - 85
13. Mark Clayton - 84
13. Irving Fryar - 84
13. Tommy McDonald - 84
13. Andre Rison - 84
14. Antonio Gates (still active) - 83
15. Art Powell - 81
16. Charley Taylor - 79
16. Harold Carmichael - 79
17. Reggie Wayne (still active) - 78
18. Larry Fitzgerald (still active) - 77
18. Joey Galloway - 77
19. Harold Jackson - 76
19. Fred Biletnikoff - 76
20. James Lofton - 75