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[voodoochile75]

LacesOut, on 04 February 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

He was a coach on the Ravens??!!!!!!!!

"Running Game Consultant".


He did less than a coaching intern.

[[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain]

voodoochile75, on 04 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Yeah, way to jump on the fat dog like a wretched little tick.


He shouldn't get a ring.

If he takes any joy in that win and actually pretends like he had anything to do with it he's a bigger shmuck than when he jumped the coaching ladder and took the DC job.

He's a schmuck for taking a promotion and not setting the world on fire?  That's pretty harsh.  He had the #12 defense when he got fired, and that was with the biggest turnover machine in history on the other side of the ball.

[ruger45]

L.E., on 04 February 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

Juan had virtually nothing to do with the win, but whatever.

You don't know in what capacity he was evolved with that team. They have plenty of meetings as a staff and plenty closed practices. We do know they had a new OC for the last few weeks of their season.

[voodoochile75]

ruger45, on 05 February 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

You don't know in what capacity he was evolved with that team. They have plenty of meetings as a staff and plenty closed practices. We do know they had a new OC for the last few weeks of their season.

Yes, we do. It's been out there. He's prepared film and run whatever drills the coaches ask him to. It's what interns do.

He made no decisions at all. He was a leech along for the ride.

[EagsnPhils4life]

Does Juan get a ring?

[Netherscourge]

Consultants get rings too?

[justwin1]

Yep, I'm very happy for Juan if he indeed win a ring - he came aboard right before the game, don't the players vote on who gets one if they're a marginal or last minute participant? I don't know, I thought I read something like that a long time ago. Anyway, I certainly hope he did/does get one. I was rooting for Chad Hall to get one, too - and David Akers - if the 9ers had won.

[selassieyouth]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 04 February 2013 - 07:33 PM, said:

I laugh at people who say stupid **** like this.

If the Eagles had fired Andy Reid after the Super Bowl loss,   a coach who at that point had had five straight double digit win seasons,   made the postseason five of six years as head coach including the Super Bowl and conferece title four times,   they would have bee the laughingstock of the NFL and probably the entire country an Jeffery Lurie would probably have sold the team due to constant ridicule.

And by the way,  Juan was garbage as a defensive coordinator,  period.  Firing him was irrelevant, he should never have been put there.

After the Super Bowl it was very clear to a lot of people that Andy could not get it done. Juan was not a garbage DC at all. If you believe that to be the case you are a FOOL, EMB legend or not. However, you are correct in saying that Juan should have never been put there if they were going to handicap his defense with the WIDE NINE and a **** DL coach.

I am sure Bucs fans thought they were crazy to get rid of Dungy.... But than, that turned out pretty well... Honestly, after the Super Bowl the Eagles never really performed the same again. Almost every decision he made after that point made the team worse. 2008 was a fluke. We got steam rolled so bad in the first half of the NFC championship game that an amazing second half couldn't do a thing about it.

I have wanted Andy Reid fired from the minute the Super Bowl was over So have a lot of other people here on the EMB and across the country. The two minute drill at the end of the super bowl alone was enough to get most coaches fired. He was never able to get this team to run a successful hurry up offense before or after that game. Than add in the fact that we have been screaming for a running game since the three headed monster was dismantled. Man some of you Reid lovers just love to smoke the fat mans ish.....

2000 the Giants shut us down in the div round by playing more physical football - Giants destroyed us 3 times that season.
2001 Lost to the finesse Rams in a close game NFC championship - Rams beat us 20 to 17 on opening day that season.
2002 the Bucs shut us down in the NFC Championship by playing more physical football - Eagles easily beat them during the season.
2003 Panthers just made fun of the Eagles in the NFC Championship game... Far more physical football team that week. - Eagles beat them during the season.
2004 Reached the Super Bowl - Pats beat us in the preseason and we lost the Super Bowl because of one of the worst two minute drills in the history of the game. I would argue that coaches to this day will use that game to teach kids how not to run a hurry up offense.
2005 Eagles finished 6 and 10 after starting 3 and 1 - If anything Andy should have been gone after 05 - Regardless of McNabb's Sports Hernia
2006 Eagles lost to the Saints 27 - 24 - The Saints beat us twice that season with the same score, the second loss came in the Div round... Garcia was a great story though
2007 Finished 8 and 8 - Once again AR should have been let go at this point to say the least
2008 Finished 9 - 5 - 1 lost to the Cards in the NFC Championship game - The Eagles blew the Cards out by a score of 40 to 20 previously during the season. At this point it is quite clear AR will not get it done his 4th NFC Championship loss should be more than enough.
2009 - 2012 has just sucked so I wont even go there.

Can you see the pattern here. Other coaches were able to react to the Eagles. If they lost in the regular season they won in the playoffs. But Andy Reid could never figure teams out. If he lost to a team in the regular season he lost in the playoffs as well. All I have to say is that good coaches make adjustments.... Andy Reid tried to adjust players to his system rather than adjust his system to the team he was playing against.

If there is one thing that is clear Andy Reid teams have always been predictable. Other teams can figure them out. How many times have you heard other teams claim that they knew what plays were coming.....

Andy Reid should have been released at several different points during his time here. I happen to feel that he should have been gone after the Super Bowl. Clearly you still had faith. Based on the Eagles record following the Super Bowl and how well the team fared in the playoffs, Andy Reid could have been fired at any time and it would have never mattered in the slightest. Heck we might have even won a Super Bowl with a different coach... I guess we will never know. But the one thing that remains clear is simply that Andy Reid teams have never really been able to beat the physical teams.... Even in 04 Pitt shut us down with a more physical team....

[Iron_Eagle_04]

selassieyouth, on 05 February 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Juan was not a garbage DC at all. If you believe that to be the case you are a FOOL, EMB legend or not.

Yes,  he absoloutely was.   You are the fool if you believe otherwise.

All people look at who defend Juan is that 12th ranking in the numbers the defense had.   It was inflated,  the Eagles did not exactly play a bunch of juggernaut offenses early in the season.   And they could not protect a lead to save their lives,  period.   Most teams played a conservative offensive strategy.

After Todd Bowles took over his first two opponents were New Orleans and Atlanta,  two of the best offenses in football.   After that the team essentially quit.  So what happened after is irrelevant Juan was still clueless.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

selassieyouth, on 05 February 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

I am sure Bucs fans thought they were crazy to get rid of Dungy.... But than, that turned out pretty well...

They were crazy to.   They traded four high picks for a coach who ultimately destroyed them.   It was only because Gruden didn't destroy them quickly enough they won a Super Bowl,  they could have have kept Dungy and won that Super Bowl with a decent offensive coordinator.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

selassieyouth, on 05 February 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

I have wanted Andy Reid fired from the minute the Super Bowl was over So have a lot of other people here on the EMB and across the country.

What difference does that make?   A lot of people on this board want someone fired after every loss,  because a lot of people are so dumb they can't find their *** with a road map.

I reiterate the Eagles would have been laughingstocks to fire Andy Reid after the Super Bowl.  Coaches are fired based on wins and losses,  not the perceived intricacies of fans who think they know what they are talking about.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

selassieyouth, on 05 February 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

2008 was a fluke. We got steam rolled so bad in the first half of the NFC championship game that an amazing second half couldn't do a thing about it.

It wasn't a fluke,  we had a top 5 defense that year,  beat both Super Bowl participants handily,  and McNabb was healthy and had decent recievers for the first time in years.   If anything it was a fluke we lost as many games as we did.

[selassieyouth]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 06 February 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Yes,  he absoloutely was.   You are the fool if you believe otherwise.

All people look at who defend Juan is that 12th ranking in the numbers the defense had.   It was inflated,  the Eagles did not exactly play a bunch of juggernaut offenses early in the season.   And they could not protect a lead to save their lives,  period.   Most teams played a conservative offensive strategy.

After Todd Bowles took over his first two opponents were New Orleans and Atlanta,  two of the best offenses in football.   After that the team essentially quit.  So what happened after is irrelevant Juan was still clueless.

Juan may or may not have been a good DC. I never stated he was good. I simply said he was not bad. There were far too many other things going on here for that judgement to be made. Honestly, Michael Vick has not looked good since Juan left the OL. Moving Juan to DC was nothing other than another example of Andy trying to plug in something on the fly.

I guess the main point is simply that the Eagles defense was never really Juan's D. At the end of the day, if you are going to give a guy a shot to lead, you have to actually give him a shot. If they wanted to bring in a bunch of "SYSTEMS" they should have just made Washburn DC and let his system be the thing. Instead as we have all heard they promoted Juan only to cut him off at the knees with the installment of an arrogant and borderline abusive DL coach. One who was clearly not a team player by any streatch of reason. To blame the defensive failures on Juan is short sighted. This defense failed for a lot of reasons and I agree with this. But Juan is pretty far down that list reasons in reality. I don't know that anyone should be faulted for saying they would love to see Juan coach a defense without all that other ISH going on. There were clearly flashes throughout the last couple years and those flashes came regardless of a ton of ISH.

At the end of the day I wouldn't say I am ever supporting Juan or his defense by claiming he was not bad. The defense as a whole was not good either. But Juan has been a good football coach for a long time. And he will get other chances going forward. Andy Reid screwed up that situation in a huge way but that was really the point of the rest of my post.

[selassieyouth]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 06 February 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

It wasn't a fluke,  we had a top 5 defense that year,  beat both Super Bowl participants handily,  and McNabb was healthy and had decent recievers for the first time in years.   If anything it was a fluke we lost as many games as we did.

2008 was a fluke because it was not repeated again after that. It was the final push for the AR era. Michael Vick was nothing other than a potential band aid for a coach on the downside. And that is not a shot at Michael Vick by any means he is a force to be respected in the NFL. I just don't think he is the QB you try to build a Super Bowl team with. If he ever proves me wrong I will be the first to give him props. Andy and the Eaqles gave him a shot, but this gig may have finished him as well.

Iron_Eagle_04, on 06 February 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

What difference does that make?   A lot of people on this board want someone fired after every loss,  because a lot of people are so dumb they can't find their *** with a road map.

I reiterate the Eagles would have been laughingstocks to fire Andy Reid after the Super Bowl.  Coaches are fired based on wins and losses,  not the perceived intricacies of fans who think they know what they are talking about.

No, I don't want someone fired after every loss. But after "THAT" loss he deserved to be fired. After "THAT" display of clock management he should have been fired. He should have been held accountable for the same failures we had seen for the last four seasons.

[selassieyouth]

Iron_Eagle_04, on 06 February 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

They were crazy to.   They traded four high picks for a coach who ultimately destroyed them.   It was only because Gruden didn't destroy them quickly enough they won a Super Bowl,  they could have have kept Dungy and won that Super Bowl with a decent offensive coordinator.

At this point, I would be happy to deal with a decade or so at the bottom if only to see the Eagles finish at the top just once. Buc's fans have something we do not. Considering there are three other teams in our division, and two of them have not only ONE Super Bowl but multiple Super Bowls, even to have one would be nice.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

selassieyouth, on 06 February 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

2008 was a fluke because it was not repeated again after that. It was the final push for the AR era. Michael Vick was nothing other than a potential band aid for a coach on the downside. And that is not a shot at Michael Vick by any means he is a force to be respected in the NFL. I just don't think he is the QB you try to build a Super Bowl team with. If he ever proves me wrong I will be the first to give him props. Andy and the Eaqles gave him a shot, but this gig may have finished him as well.

We went 11-5 the next season after 2008,  and were one win away from the no 2 seed in the NFC.   Our defensive coordinator passed away.

selassieyouth, on 06 February 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

At this point, I would be happy to deal with a decade or so at the bottom if only to see the Eagles finish at the top just once. Buc's fans have something we do not. Considering there are three other teams in our division, and two of them have not only ONE Super Bowl but multiple Super Bowls, even to have one would be nice.

Thats beside the point,   you can't make a trade like that on absoloutes.  Its not as though Jon Gruden was the only way that Bucs' team could have won a Super Bowl.

[Iron_Eagle_04]

I never even said a word about Mike Vick,   I was detracting two statements.

You were saying Juan Castillo wasn't garbage as a defensive coordinator,  which he was,  and you said Andy Reid should have been fired after a Super Bowl.

NFL owners do not fire someone who has made the post season with double digit wins five out of six seasons and went to the Super Bowl no matter what bad critiques you have of their coaching,  it just doesn't happen.

[selassieyouth]

No I was not discussing Michael vick because you said anything about him. Neither did I accuse you of such a thing. I was more attempting to point out that the Michael Vick was nothing other than an attempt to bandage the pending implosion of this team. It did not work out. Vick had a ton of upside but the reality did not fit the billing of that first half a season. This is only one more reason in a long list why I dont blame Juan for the level of play by our defense. The entirity of my post had more to do with the continued failures of Andy Reid and how his lack of good adjustments cost this team over and over again.

After the Super Bowl it was clear they were not going anywhere. Andy's system had really run its course by that time. It was also around the same time that we started to see teams figure out the Eagles more often than not. I mean, I cant believe some of you guys dont find fault with the fact that we have see DJax and Vick run some of the exact same plays that TO and McNabb ran back in 04. We have heard Gruden claim to know the plays before the snap, we have heard the Cowboys claim to know the plays before the snap, we have heard taters claim to know the plays before the snap, and we have heard announcers literally call out Andy's next play on live TV before the snap.

The only point I was attempting to make about Juan is simply that I dont need to say the guy did anything wrong, or bad, to claim that he was put in a really bad spot. The Eagles defense as a whole has spent a lot of time under the bus for the last few seasons. That reality came at the hands of Andy's offense as well as ton of poor leadership in the locker room and on game day from so called BIG NAME coaches.

I find no reason that anyone should be faulted for feeling like AR overstayed his time here by about 6 to 8 years.
If anything he was for sure here for at least 3 years too long in the best situation.

[voodoochile75]

Does anyone else see the irony in how some of the people saying Juan didn't get enough of a shot are using Todd Bowles to actually support their point?


I don't know. Kind of funny.

[pgcd3]

voodoochile75, on 06 February 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Does anyone else see the irony in how some of the people saying Juan didn't get enough of a shot are using Todd Bowles to actually support their point?


I don't know. Kind of funny.

You, I and every NFL team that wanted to hire a defensive coach this year know Juan was subpar at best. Only people here don't see it. No matter now.

[selassieyouth]

voodoochile75, on 06 February 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Does anyone else see the irony in how some of the people saying Juan didn't get enough of a shot are using Todd Bowles to actually support their point?


I don't know. Kind of funny.

Todd Bowles sort of supports the fact that under those circumstances it would have been hard for anyone to do much of anything good on the defensive side of the football.... The team quit, the coaches quit and the whole thing fell apart. Add to this an NFL record setting offense in terms of turnovers and the thing was doomed.

[voodoochile75]

selassieyouth, on 06 February 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

Todd Bowles sort of supports the fact that under those circumstances it would have been hard for anyone to do much of anything good on the defensive side of the football.... The team quit, the coaches quit and the whole thing fell apart. Add to this an NFL record setting offense in terms of turnovers and the thing was doomed.

But why does Todd Bowles suck after being thrown to the wolves while Castillo who had an offseason and a half and a season and a half to implement his system is a good coach that didn't get a fair shake?

[selassieyouth]

voodoochile75, on 06 February 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

But why does Todd Bowles suck after being thrown to the wolves while Castillo who had an offseason and a half and a season and a half to implement his system is a good coach that didn't get a fair shake?

I dont think Todd Bowles sucks at all. He had success prior to the Eagles job and I am sure he will have success after.
I just think the Eagles over the last few seasons have sort of been a death trap for both coaches and players. The point I was trying to make is that it wouldn't have mattered who was coaching because it was a no win situation.