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[Clamdigger]

I think Kelly's going to run the K-Gun with Foles at QB.

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Peter King, also of SI.com, talked with Tony Dungy about what kind of coach he thinks Kelly will be:

"He'll be good,'' Dungy said. "One of the things everybody's getting wrong is that he has to coach one way. Not true. He'll adjust. I think he'll be able to win in a lot of ways. I think the offense he'll run will be very similar to what Buffalo ran with Jim Kelly, the K-gun. High-pace, fast tempo. His thing is tempo, and making a defense respond to what he's doing. Say it's 3rd-and-5, and you have all these tendencies from watching his offense -- what they'll do on 3rd-and-5. But your pre-snap stuff is out the window because their tempo isn't going to give you time to substitute or to think that much. The thing with Chip is it's not just the scheme or the plays he's running. His detail work is strong. He outhustles, outpaces, out-thinks people. His practices are so fast. His team gets used to doing everything at a faster pace."

[we_gotta_believe]

Clamdigger, on 04 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

I think Kelly's going to run the K-Gun with Foles at QB.

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But your pre-snap stuff is out the window because their tempo isn't going to give you time to substitute or to think that much.

That's an important aspect that I didn't really think about before. I always liked Jim Kelly and that Bills offense in the early 90's.

[GT500]

Yeah it won buffalo alot of rings, didnt it

[Clamdigger]

GT500, on 04 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Yeah it won buffalo alot of rings, didnt it

Great logic.

[GT500]

Stop.

[eglz1]

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"The thing with Chip is it's not just the scheme or the plays he's running. His detail work is strong. He outhustles, outpaces, out-thinks people. His practices are so fast. His team gets used to doing everything at a faster pace."

You mean being being able to run faaaassssttt and chuck it 70 yards may not all that is required to be a quarterback in a Chip Kelly offense?

[Sean Jerz]

GT500, on 04 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Yeah it won buffalo alot of rings, didnt it

It help them get there every year, their defense failed to stop those teams. Levy never learned from his previous years of failure, just like Reid he kept repeating the strategy that others were well aware of. I hope Dungy is right, I've said it on these boards a million times and I'll say it again. I really like Nick Foles and believe we can win with him as our starter.........Chip don't be stupid! The kid can play..

[Eagles_Section115_Row29]

GT500, on 04 February 2013 - 09:27 AM, said:

Yeah it won buffalo alot of rings, didnt it

Stupid comment.  They were a great team at the end of the pre salary cap era in which the NFC east or 49ers won the superbowl every year.

[Sean Jerz]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 04 February 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Stupid comment.  They were a great team at the end of the pre salary cap era in which the NFC east or 49ers won the superbowl every year.

Yup this too!

[forevereagles]

Sean Jerz, on 04 February 2013 - 09:42 AM, said:

It help them get there every year, their defense failed to stop those teams. Levy never learned from his previous years of failure, just like Reid he kept repeating the strategy that others were well aware of. I hope Dungy is right, I've said it on these boards a million times and I'll say it again. I really like Nick Foles and believe we can win with him as our starter.........Chip don't be stupid! The kid can play..

Chip is quite familiar with Fole's play making ability. He played against him. He was so glad when he knew the kid would be graduating .

Two  of the  required  assets he looks for in a QB is smarts/decision making and durabilty/toughness. In one interview he gave, he talked about how they had hit Foles repeatedly and he just got right back up and kept playing. Wondered what they had to do to get him out of the game.

We saw his smarts on display with that hurry up to spike the ball, with only a couple of seconds left on the clock, to throw the winning TD against Tampa.I too, hope Kelly makes the right decision and sticks with Foles. Unfortunately for us fans we aren't part of the decision making so are at the mercy of those who are.

[flyerdog]

"He'll Adjust..."

I don't understand this statement, can someone please explain it to me....

[twistr]

flyerdog, on 04 February 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

"He'll Adjust..."

I don't understand this statement, can someone please explain it to me....

you forgot to add a "Times yours"

[JBinPA]

forevereagles, on 04 February 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

.I too, hope Kelly makes the right decision and sticks with Foles. Unfortunately for us fans we aren't part of the decision making so are at the mercy of those who are.

So, if Kelly does what you want, he's right; otherwise, he's wrong.

I'm confident Kelly has forgotten more ball than you'll ever know.

[eagles_crazy]

Ok so the Eagles just have to find Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, a great OL, Thurman Thomas, etc and thats just the O. The point I am trying to make is when you have that much talent nearly any O you run will work.

[time2rock]

eagles_crazy, on 04 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Ok so the Eagles just have to find Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, a great OL, Thurman Thomas, etc and thats just the O. The point I am trying to make is when you have that much talent nearly any O you run will work.

I'd take the 52 year old Jim Kelly over Vick.  

[PhillySmoke]

this is all speculation. it's a long wait until tc. no one knows what he'll run til he runs it. I just hope this crew of high priced whiners gets on board w his system regardless of what it is

[jonnyeagles12]

Isn't Dungy close with Vick?

[aman88]

It only has a chance to work if he gets a QB who can run it.

[Krukslonelyball]

aman88, on 04 February 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

It only has a chance to work if he gets a QB who can run it.

BRO. BRO. YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING HERE.

[Jason1978]

Eagles_Section115_Row29, on 04 February 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Stupid comment.  They were a great team at the end of the pre salary cap era in which the NFC east or 49ers won the superbowl every year.

And they just happened to run into the NFC East Beasts each year. It's every goal to win a ring but not every team or player will win one. Doesn't take away from their greatness. Warren Moon never played in a Super Bowl. Houston had some SB caliber teams but ran into those damn Bills.

[Jason1978]

We have an elite RB, pretty good when healthy at WR. Who knows what we have with Foles. Being the Jim Kelly is high expectations but name one person who thought Colin Kapernick would be starting in the Super Bowl this year or on draft day Tom Brady would appear in five Super Bowls with three wins.

With Foles I will continue to point out his first 7 starts compaired to Andrew Luck. Foles had better numbers playing with a much worse team. He played on a team lacking leaders, momentum, inspiration. No o-line, lack of weapons, McCoy injured, Andy on his way out. Luck was the starter from day 1 in camp, took every rep with the starters and had a full season. Give Foles that and he's going to be better. He showed signs of greatness and signs of being a typical rookie. You can't base things off one season. As rookies, Peyton Manning sucked, RGIII was excellent.    

[Vee]

eagles_crazy, on 04 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

Ok so the Eagles just have to find Jim Kelly, Andre Reed, a great OL, Thurman Thomas, etc and thats just the O. The point I am trying to make is when you have that much talent nearly any O you run will work.

Don't forget Bruce Smith.  That guy was a beast.

[InfiniteSeriesN]

the k-gun: four time SB loser.

[NorCalEagle]

InfiniteSeriesN, on 04 February 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

the k-gun: four time SB loser.

which is still better than anything the eagles have produced in over half a century...

[InfiniteSeriesN]

NorCalEagle, on 04 February 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

which is still better than anything the eagles have produced in over half a century...

only if you assume it will work as well as before.

and certianly worse than other choices to pick from.

[NorCalEagle]

InfiniteSeriesN, on 04 February 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:

only if you assume it will work as well as before.

and certianly worse than other choices to pick from.

hell...at this point, anything's worth a shot...

[LacesOut]

Just be able to adjust quickly, during the game, during each quarter, during each series on Offense.  That would be a big plus for this team and the new coaching staff.

[voodoochile75]

What I think folks need to grasp is what is meant by tempo.

It has more to do with how quickly the offense lines up and makes the snap.  The longer a QB stands there trying to read and yell a million things out to the rest of the offense, the D is adjusting. Tempo is referring to how the team acts between plays.  That is why Foles is more suited for Chip than Vick. You could let Vick stand there for 5 minutes and he still won't read where the blitz is coming from.

[Foles for HOF]

What ever works with what we've got.  Have to use the talent we have available, can't rely on the draft or FA forever.  Pretty confident Chip will make it work.

[ruger45]

voodoochile75, on 04 February 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

What I think folks need to grasp is what is meant by tempo.

It has more to do with how quickly the offense lines up and makes the snap.  The longer a QB stands there trying to read and yell a million things out to the rest of the offense, the D is adjusting. Tempo is referring to how the team acts between plays.  That is why Foles is more suited for Chip than Vick. You could let Vick stand there for 5 minutes and he still won't read where the blitz is coming from.

I agree some what. The center (Kelce) is making calls for the front as well. Not having him in there and a guy learning in the job does not help. The RB is responsible for making blocks and help the QB as well. Ie... Arizona game on the sack return. A block McCoy missed. They all work together but it all get thrown on the QB.