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[kitko60]

I was expecting to hear the magical words "Mike Vick has been released" by now, what's the hold up?

I will celebrate that announcement as though the Eagles won the Super Bowl!!

Please don't tell me they're considering keeping him.  We have been the laughing stock of the NFL since we signed him.  Who in this organization exactly sees potential or room for improvement in Vick?  He has sucked since he entered the NFL.  He doesn't even average 2,000 passing yards a year.  I find that hilarious until I realize that he is an Eagle and then it turns to embarrassment for the organization.

Two years in a row with more turnovers than TD....We should have released him the day the season ended...

[EaglesCB37]

kitko60, on 04 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

I was expecting to hear the magical words "Mike Vick has been released" by now, what's the hold up?

I will celebrate that announcement as though the Eagles won the Super Bowl!!

Please don't tell me they're considering keeping him.  We have been the laughing stock of the NFL since we signed him.  Who in this organization exactly sees potential or room for improvement in Vick?  He has sucked since he entered the NFL.  He doesn't even average 2,000 passing yards a year.  I find that hilarious until I realize that he is an Eagle and then it turns to embarrassment for the organization.

Two years in a row with more turnovers than TD....We should have released him the day the season ended...

Yeah, that game vs. the Redskins a couple years back really proved we had nothing to show for...

[kitko60]

EaglesCB37, on 04 February 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Yeah, that game vs. the Redskins a couple years back really proved we had nothing to show for...

LOL WOW!!!  That's all I can say in response to your statement.

[Regal]

EaglesCB37, on 04 February 2013 - 12:28 PM, said:

Yeah, that game vs. the Redskins a couple years back really proved we had nothing to show for...

What has the loser down since? NOTHING!

[NOTW]

The confetti hasn't even stopped falling in New Orleans.  Relax, be patient.

[kitko60]

NOTW, on 04 February 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

The confetti hasn't even stopped falling in New Orleans.  Relax, be patient.

I know, I know!  I'm just excited to respect the Eagles as a football team again, something I couldn't do with that idiot at QB.  I said the day they signed Vick on here that our franchise would suffer big time from such a moronic move and I was spot on.

Vick vs. Tebow next year in the CFL!

[Runtherock]

Still one of the more talented QBs in the league, his many issues notwithstanding.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

kitko60, on 04 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

I was expecting to hear the magical words "Mike Vick has been released" by now, what's the hold up?

I wouldn't expect it anytime in the immediate future (this week).

[CT Eagle]

Runtherock, on 04 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Still one of the more talented QBs in the league, his many issues notwithstanding.

His talent and skill have deteriorated to the point where that is debatable.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

CT Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Seemed like his talents and skills have deteriorated to the point where that is debatable.

I would argue the point of "talent" even in his prime. He was never one of the most... or more "talented" QB's in the league. Never.

[Runtherock]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

I would argue the point of "talent" even in his prime. He was never one of the most... or more "talented" QB's in the league. Never.

He was and he is. Runs better than most, has quicker feet than most, has a better arm than most. And yes, he's older but he still is one of the more talented.

[CT Eagle]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

I would argue the point of "talent" even in his prime. He was never one of the most... or more "talented" QB's in the league. Never.

You should look "talent" up in the dictionary because you are dead wrong.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

Runtherock, on 04 February 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

He was and he is. Runs better than most, has quicker feet than most, has a better arm than most. And yes, he's older but he still is one of the more talented.

I wouldn't necessarily put athletic ability in the talent category and I sure wouldn't put him on the same level with Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre or even Donovan McNabb or any of the top 10 or so QB's from each of his season in the NFL.

Quick feet and a strong arm mean nothing without the rest of what it takes to be among the "most talented" QB's.

[CT Eagle]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

Quick feet and a strong arm mean nothing without the rest of what it takes to be among the "most talented" QB's.

look talent up in the dictionary so you don't embarrass yourself further

[VaBeach_Eagle]

CT Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

look talent up in the dictionary so you don't embarrass yourself further

You seem a little slow so I looked up Autistic and sure enough they had your name listed there.

You obviously don't understand what a "talented QB" is if you feel that Vick is one of the MOST talented QB's in the league.

On a side note, why so hostile? Have we argued in the past and you haven't let it go yet?

[CT Eagle]

VaBeach_Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

You seem a little slow so I looked up Autistic and sure enough they had your name listed there.

You obviously don't understand what a "talented QB" is if you feel that Vick is one of the MOST talented QB's in the league.

On a side note, why so hostile? Have we argued in the past and you haven't let it go yet?

You are calling me slow while incorrectly capitalizing the word autistic.  Do you feel as dumb as you look ?


Vick has one of the best arms and had arguably the best running and escapability of any qb in history.  Opposing defenses had to tailor their game plan specifically to stop Vick.  He revolutionized the position for a short period of time.   You could say that his talent was wasted. You could say that he was never a great QB.  Saying Vick was never one of the "more talented QB's in the league", "even in his prime" is indefensibly wrong.  If you try to defend your gaffe instead of just acquiescing (you will probably have to look that word up), you are just perpetuating (look that up too) the inevitable (which is you looking like a complete dope) !

[VaBeach_Eagle]

CT Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

... capitalizing the word autistic.

I guess when you have nothing else, you have to latch onto something...

You're the guy on the right in this pic... right?



Oh and consider yourself ignored from here on out. You're on my troll list now.

[CT Eagle]

That is the best you can come up with after your nonsense bs opinions were unequivocally humiliated and eviscerated on the boards where you posted > 45,000 times ?  You should have just said "maybe I overstated my opinion" or something to that effect instead of ineffectively trying to save face by using obvious deflection tactics. I guess the US Army was never taught to retreat gracefully so you are taking the scorched earth approach (sadly you will have to look up a lot of this so you understand). You lack integrity   I will let this die now only because you depict yourself as an army veteran which is something that I have a lot of respect for (although it is clear you are a total dolt that couldn't get into the ROTC program at Faber College let alone West Point).

[Iggles]

CT Eagle, on 04 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

You are calling me slow while incorrectly capitalizing the word autistic.  Do you feel as dumb as you look ?


Vick has one of the best arms and had arguably the best running and escapability of any qb in history.  Opposing defenses had to tailor their game plan specifically to stop Vick.  He revolutionized the position for a short period of time.   You could say that his talent was wasted. You could say that he was never a great QB.  Saying Vick was never one of the "more talented QB's in the league", "even in his prime" is indefensibly wrong.  If you try to defend your gaffe instead of just acquiescing (you will probably have to look that word up), you are just perpetuating (look that up too) the inevitable (which is you looking like a complete dope) !

I'm suprised by your comment.  We usually agree on many things, this is not one of them.  Vick is dumber than Jeff George, Cunningham, and McNabb combined.   ***OR*** did Vick actually use his brain during that brilliant 2010 season to gain a new contract worth millions?  Vick is a lazy player. He received what he wanted, yet won't get it all thanks to Eagles contract negotiating.  Vick is plenty smart, he just wants to pay off debts before his QB skills render him useless.   The Eagles are about to release him.   Unless Roseman is a moron.

[CT Eagle]

Iggles, on 05 February 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I'm suprised by your comment.  We usually agree on many things, this is not one of them.  Vick is dumber than Jeff George, Cunningham, and McNabb combined.   ***OR*** did Vick actually use his brain during that brilliant 2010 season to gain a new contract worth millions?  Vick is a lazy player. He received what he wanted, yet won't get it all thanks to Eagles contract negotiating.  Vick is plenty smart, he just wants to pay off debts before his QB skills render him useless.   The Eagles are about to release him.   Unless Roseman is a moron.

I am not debating or defending Vick's brains or work ethic.  I would prefer that he isn't even on the team next year.  I am saying that there was a period where he was without question one of the most talented QBs in the league.

[kitko60]

Runtherock, on 04 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Still one of the more talented QBs in the league, his many issues notwithstanding.

Are you serious?  How can you say that?  If talent means turnover potential and drive killing blunders and fumbles galore, then yes Vick is talented.

Where do people seriously come up with this talent crap?  I've said how many times that he can't even average 2,000 passing yards a year.  4,000 yards is talent, under 2,000 is why the hell are you in the NFL?  The man's career TD # and turnover # is very close!  How in the world do you have the nerve to say he is talented?  I just can't wrap my mind around this absurd statement.

Talent as in he can run?  Sorry he fumbles more on runs than he makes big runs.
Talent as in he has a big arm?  Sorry he throws better passes to the defense than his offense.
Talent as in this mythical quick release?  The idiot holds onto the ball forever.

What am I missing?  Where is this talent that you see?

Iggles, on 05 February 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

I'm suprised by your comment.  We usually agree on many things, this is not one of them.  Vick is dumber than Jeff George, Cunningham, and McNabb combined.   ***OR*** did Vick actually use his brain during that brilliant 2010 season to gain a new contract worth millions?  Vick is a lazy player. He received what he wanted, yet won't get it all thanks to Eagles contract negotiating.  Vick is plenty smart, he just wants to pay off debts before his QB skills render him useless.   The Eagles are about to release him.   Unless Roseman is a moron.

PLEASE!  Do not put McNabb in any comparison with this idiot Vick.  Do you know that using McNabb in a dumber than argument makes you look dumbest of all?  The man was this organization's best QB ever.  Please refresh my memory as to how many playoff wins we have since he left?

[RPeeteRules]

kitko60, on 05 February 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

Where do people seriously come up with this talent crap?  I've said how many times that he can't even average 2,000 passing yards a year.  4,000 yards is talent, under 2,000 is why the hell are you in the NFL?

That 2000 passing yards is skewed quite a bit due to years of him being hurt/backup.  If I told you that one particular Super Bowl winning QB had an average of 2200 passing yards per season, would you think that they were bad, average, good, or other (explain)?

[kitko60]

RPeeteRules, on 05 February 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

That 2000 passing yards is skewed quite a bit due to years of him being hurt/backup.  If I told you that one particular Super Bowl winning QB had an average of 2200 passing yards per season, would you think that they were bad, average, good, or other (explain)?

Skewed?  A QB's main job in the NFL is to be ON THE FIELD!!!  Don't play that off as an excuse for Vick!  That just further shows how terrible he is.

I'm not one of the "I learn all my NFL knowledge from ESPN" people so don't start acting like there has never been a Super Bowl winning team with an average to below average QB starting.  Football is a team sport.  QB should not be considered elite if their TEAM wins a Super Bowl.  Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson and others just managed the games to win a Super Bowl.  Vick is too dumb to manage a game.  So give me your 2,200 yard passer and I bet he won't have HALF the turnovers that Vick has!

The problem with Vick being a QB on a team that wins the Super Bowl is that he can't get a team there even if they play well.  He will make enough mistakes to hurt the team when it counts.

[RPeeteRules]

Steve Young is that QB with around 2,200 yards per season.  I wasn't saying anything about turnovers, so don't act like I'm defending the turnovers.

[kitko60]

RPeeteRules, on 05 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Steve Young is that QB with around 2,200 yards per season.  I wasn't saying anything about turnovers, so don't act like I'm defending the turnovers.

Ok and Steve Young played in an era of football that valued running backs and the running game.  I didn't say you were defending Vick or his turnovers or whatever but if you are for a second considering making the claim that Vick can lead a team to a Super Bowl then I will laugh in your face!

[RPeeteRules]

kitko60, on 05 February 2013 - 12:03 PM, said:

Ok and Steve Young played in an era of football that valued running backs and the running game.  I didn't say you were defending Vick or his turnovers or whatever but if you are for a second considering making the claim that Vick can lead a team to a Super Bowl then I will laugh in your face!

I'm just saying that the 2000 passing yards a season is very deceptive.  The reason Vick (and Young) had low averages weren't due to other factors in the game, but rather the number of years that they played and games that they weren't the starter for whatever reason.

[DaveSpadaro]

I don't think there is any "deadline" .. As I understand it, the contract allows for some flexibility. Obviously at some point the Eagles need to make a call on Vick, on Foles, on a lot of roster decisions. Look, I don't think Vick has played well since 2010. I think he's committed too many turnovers, made too many bad decisions and has been injured too much. I also recognize that he has some obvious physical gifts, and if Chip Kelly thinks he can take those gifts and make them work, go for it. I don't think the Eagles are going to throw 35 times a game as much as they used to. I think this is going to be a run-based offense. But, truth be told, I don't know. Chip is in serious work mode. He doesn't walk around sharing his ideas with people like me.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

DaveSpadaro, on 05 February 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

He doesn't walk around sharing his ideas with people like me.

I'll have a talk with him about that... that will change!

[NOTW]

DaveSpadaro, on 05 February 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

I don't think there is any "deadline" .. As I understand it, the contract allows for some flexibility. Obviously at some point the Eagles need to make a call on Vick, on Foles, on a lot of roster decisions. Look, I don't think Vick has played well since 2010. I think he's committed too many turnovers, made too many bad decisions and has been injured too much. I also recognize that he has some obvious physical gifts, and if Chip Kelly thinks he can take those gifts and make them work, go for it. I don't think the Eagles are going to throw 35 times a game as much as they used to. I think this is going to be a run-based offense. But, truth be told, I don't know. Chip is in serious work mode. He doesn't walk around sharing his ideas with people like me.

[badmeetsevil]

Whether you want to keep him or release him, think he sucks or has talent left there is absolutely no point in talking to kitko about it.

The man has a serious issue with Vick that seems to go far beyond his poor play. We have been the laughing stock of the league since we signed Vick?

Really? Seriously? And lazy too? Not a hard worker? I am not saying he is a top 5 or top 10 QB but by all reports and accounts the man has worked hard to regain his career to the level he is at. Might not be a level that is worth keeping around but he didn't just get lazy and stop caring after getting his money.

Maybe Vick can serve us well still as a starter. Maybe not. But those decisions are at long last no longer in Reid's hands. Let Chip decide as a football decision and nothing to do with money. If Chip determines for his plan of attack the best option is Foles and letting Vick go, then cut him. If he decides its neither of them and he has to draft someone this draft then so be it. If he think he can run a version of his high temp zone read offense with Vick and win now while also rebuilding the other holes then go with that option.

Point is it has to be a football decision.