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[Jordan629]

Remember, these drafts should be the backbone of the team. If the draftees don't make up a large part of the current starters, it's likely that they're strong depth players and contributors to the team. Here we go!

2006
1st Round (14) - Broderick Bunkley, DT, FSU
2nd Round (39) - Winston Justice, OT, USC
3rd Round (71) - Chris Gocong, LB, Cal-Poly
4th Round (99) - Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia
4th Round (109) - Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
5th Round (147) Jeremy Bloom, WR, Colorado (a professional skier...)
5th Round (168) Omar Gaither, LB, Tennessee
6th Round (204) LaJuan Ramsey, DT, USC

Players still on team: 1

2007
2nd Round (36) Kevin Kolb, QB, Houston
2nd Round (57) Victor Abiamiri, DE, Notre Dame (LOL)
3rd Round (87) Stewart Bradley, LB, Nebraska
3rd Round (90) Tony Hunt, RB, Penn State
5th Round (159) CJ Gaddis, CB, Clemson
5th Round (162) Brent Celek, TE, Cincinnati
6th Round (201) Rashad Barksdale, CB, Albany  (ALBANY, guys)
7th Round (236) Nate Ilaoa, RB, Hawaii

Players still on team: 1

2008
2nd Round (47) Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
2nd Round (49) DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal Pro Bowler
3rd Round (80) Bryan Smith, DE, McNeese State (Fing McNeese State? 3rd rounder cut after one season...)
4th Round (109) Mike McGlynn, G, Pittsburgh
4th Round (117) Quentin Demps, S, UTEP
4th Round (133) Jack Ikegwuonu, CB, Wisconsin (never played a down)
6th Round (184) Mike Gibson, OT, Cal
6th Round (200) Joe Mays, LB, North Dakota State (where all the great players come from)
6th Round (203) Andy Studebaker, LB, Wheaton (man, they loved their small school scouting, don't they?)
7th Round (230) King Dunlap, OT, Auburn

Players still on team: 2, soon to be 1 after Dunlap is hopefully gone.

2009
1st Round (19) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
2nd Round (53) LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh Pro Bowler
5th Round (153) Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
5th Round (157) Macho Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
5th Round (159) Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon
6th Round (194) Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State
7th Round (213) Paul Fanaika, G, ASU
7th Round (230) Moise Fokou, LB, Maryland

Players still on team: 2

And the 2010-2011 drafts could be even worse. 6 players still on the team from the 2010 draft where they had 13 SELECTIONS. Let's not forget 2011 with the great picks of Jaiqwuan "cut after 1 season" Jarrett and Danny "healthy scratch on a team that was already out of playoff contention" Watkins

If you're keeping count, that's a total of 6 players still on the team after the drafts from 2006-2009. A number of these guys aren't even in the NFL. 2 Pro Bowlers in 4 drafts. And then people wonder why the Eagles declined so rapidly from 2008 and on. Blame who you want, Andy Reid was the head coach of this team for those drafts and he really dug his own grave with these drafts and other drafts. The guy simply is not good at drafting. Not putting all the blame on Reid, since the front office deserves a lot of blame too.

Say what you want about Chip Kelly being the new HC, but at least it's something DIFFERENT. It was time for a change and it was Andy's time to go. He did a lot of good for this franchise early on in his tenure, and I'll always respect him for that. But after writing this up I'm very happy to move on from the guy.

[DEagle7]

2012 draft thus far seems pretty solid (fingers crossed).  Wondering how much truth there is to the rumor that Howie had more of  say this time around.

[AceofSpades]

I was just looking over the names from these drafts and in my head I checked off who was still on the team. There's no way a team can have any type of success with that happening. You have to build through the draft and based on this the Eagles haven't been good at drafting. I think the draft failures led to the Eagles trying to find their centerpieces through free agency and trades and it just hasn't worked.

[McNasty87]

People are always so amazed by things like this, without realizing that practically every single team in the nfl has exactly the same thing happen to them.  If you took the rosters of the top teams then you will see plenty of roster turnover and bad draft choices.  I live in New England and heard a couple months ago on the radio that the patriots have the worst rate as far as players they drafted that stay on their roster in the entire NFL.

[Coleman42]

That's probably the average amount of players still on the teams that drafted them through those 4 drafts.

[Jordan629]

Coleman42, on 05 February 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

That's probably the average amount of players still on the teams that drafted them through those 4 drafts.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see the actual numbers on that.

[Footballman175]

6 out of 34 players still on the Eagles

[Jefetio]

Personally, I think the problem has been failing to develop the players we drafted, and failing to keep a consistent system / long term plan.  For example, we switched the defense from 1 gap to 2 gap and then back to 1 gap in that period.  We went through 3 different defensive coordinators.  On offense we made a dramatic change in offensive line philosophy that made many players (who were just fine otherwise) obselete.

[greenblood0118]

Jefetio, on 05 February 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Personally, I think the problem has been failing to develop the players we drafted, and failing to keep a consistent system / long term plan.  For example, we switched the defense from 1 gap to 2 gap and then back to 1 gap in that period.  We went through 3 different defensive coordinators.  On offense we made a dramatic change in offensive line philosophy that made many players (who were just fine otherwise) obselete.

I think the problem was more of incompetent evaluations of players leading to horrid picks...there were sooo many times when the Eagles would pick on draft day and most people would just scratch their heads and go: "huh?"

[Rodney_Zero]

McNasty87, on 05 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

People are always so amazed by things like this, without realizing that practically every single team in the nfl has exactly the same thing happen to them.  If you took the rosters of the top teams then you will see plenty of roster turnover and bad draft choices.  I live in New England and heard a couple months ago on the radio that the patriots have the worst rate as far as players they drafted that stay on their roster in the entire NFL.

Post of the day, take off the blinders to those who only think the Eagles have draft mistakes, ever wonder why the Browns and Lions where so bad from 99 till now?, or the Jags? What's next?, Reid "won" with Ray Rhodes' players, so did Tomlin with Cowher's, Gruden with Dungy's, Jim Harbaugh with Nolans' and Singeltary's,... etc.....

[BDAWK_4EVER]

Rodney_Zero, on 05 February 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Post of the day, take off the blinders to those who only think the Eagles have draft mistakes, ever wonder why the Browns and Lions where so bad from 99 till now?, or the Jags? What's next?, Reid "won" with Ray Rhodes' players, so did Tomlin with Cowher's, Gruden with Dungy's, Jim Harbaugh with Nolans' and Singeltary's,... etc.....

All of those teams were built through the draft. And the first teams you mentioned (Browns, Jags, Lions) suck and always have because they don't draft well. So 3 out of 32 teams consistently suck at drafting, and the Eagles have made that 4 since 2006. How many actually successful teams have been having consistently bad drafts?

[Jefetio]

greenblood0118, on 05 February 2013 - 06:52 PM, said:

I think the problem was more of incompetent evaluations of players leading to horrid picks...there were sooo many times when the Eagles would pick on draft day and most people would just scratch their heads and go: "huh?"

That's not a reliable way to judge a draft pick though.  For example Winston Justice and Max Jean-Gilles were both considered "steals" at the time that they were drafted; popular picks with both the fans and the media.  Chris Gocong was unpopular but I'd argue that he was a better pick than either Justice or Jean-Gilles.

Just from what I've observed, the fans and media are wrong about draft picks much more often than they are right.

[McFive]

These drafts have been putrid.

I would slightly defend the small school strategy (in late rounds) because its going after high-reward prospects as opposed to big-school players typically thought of as depth or role players at that point in the draft. The only real hit there was Herremans, but they definitely overdid it.

Same goes for the injury-fetish. You may find a gem, but they overdid it.

You can sum up the draft failures as just trying to outsmart everyone (which would have been amazing had it worked) - Small players, Small-school players, High-risk High-reward players with injury histories.

Hopefully we have a healthy blend of different strategies going forward.

[Jordan629]

What really annoyed me was that the Eagles would try to create "steals" in the draft. I don't know where the hell Bryan smith was graded at coming out of McNeese State, but it sure as hell didn't surprise me that a D-IAA player drafted in the 3rd round totally busted. They would draft these guys from little schools on the off chance that they'd hit on a few, so they could feed their egos and make it seem like they're smarter than everyone.

[James40]

From football Facts.com   2000-2010 decade



Eagles are ranked 7th.

THE VALEDICTORIAN

New England (A)
Pro Bowlers: 11 (2nd)
Draftees Active in 2010: 46 (t-3rd)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 7 (1st)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 22 (t-1st)
Best Pick: CB Asante Samuel (4th round, 2003)
Worst Pick: WR Chad Jackson (2nd round, 2006)

Summary: The Patriots got at least one impact player in each of their 10 drafts from 2001-2010, and maybe the biggest tribute to their ability to identify top talent is that all 10 of their No. 1 picks were still playing in the league last year along with 11 of their 14 No. 2s. This bodes well for 2011 draftees Nate Solder, Ras-I Dowling and Shane Vereen.

TEACHER'S PETS

Baltimore (A-)
Pro Bowlers: 8 (t-6th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 43 (8th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 4 (t-6th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 21 (t-4th)
Best Pick: S Ed Reed (No. 24 overall, 2002)
Worst Pick: DE Dan Cody (2nd round, 2006)

Summary: Much as the Patriots struck gold with Tom Brady and built wonderfully around him, Baltimore and Ozzie Newsome have done the same around Ray Lewis. While they're known for their attention to defense, they really set the stage for continued success with their offensive hits in 2007 and 2008 – linemen Marshall Yanda and Ben Grubbs, fullback Le'Ron McClain, QB Joe Flacco and tailback Ray Rice.

San Diego (A-)
Pro Bowlers: 12 (1st)
Draftees Active in 2010: 39 (t-15th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 3 (t-13th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 22 (t-1st)
Best Pick: QB Drew Brees (2nd round, 2001)
Worst Pick: WR Craig Davis (1st round, 2007)

Summary: Although their last three draft classes have yet to really develop, the Chargers had one of the great draft runs of all time from 2004-07 under A.J. Smith, and they certainly got the better of the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers swap, at least in terms of statistical production. If Charlie Whitehurst is the starter in Seattle next year, they can boast of having picked three NFL starting QBs this decade (Drew Brees being the other). They've had almost no huge misses, and a whole lot of hits.

New York Giants (A-)
Pro Bowlers: 9 (t-6th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 42 (t-9th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 4 (t-4th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 20 (t-6th)
Best Pick: OL David Diehi (5th round, 2003)
Worst Pick: WR Sinorice Moss (2nd round, 2006)

Summary: The Giants have excelled at finding defensive linemen in the draft the past 10 years, but they haven't had nearly as much luck with linebackers. They drafted 10 of them in the decade and none of them were really hits (pending the continued growth of MLB Jonathan Goff, who started all 16 games last year).

THE OVERACHIEVERS

Atlanta (B+)
Pro Bowlers: 6 (t-16th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 42 (t-9th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 5 (t-2nd)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 22 (t-1st)
Best Pick: QB Matt Schaub (3rd round, 2004)
Worst Pick: CB Jimmy Williams (2nd round, 2006)

Summary: The Falcons drafted three Pro Bowlers at QB (Schaub, Michael Vick, Matt Ryan), plus Roddy White and Alge Crumpler, but are still looking for an impact pass rusher – of their 13 picks on the defensive line, no one has more than 18 career sacks.

Indianapolis (B+)
Pro Bowlers: 8 (t-6th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 41 (14th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 4 (t-4th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 16 (t-17th)
Best Pick: DE Robert Mathis (5th round, 2003)
Worst Pick: T Tony Ugoh (2nd round, 2007)

Summary: Bill Polian has had success all across the board for the Colts, and when his top picks have been clunkers (a rarity), he's made up for it with lower-round success. About the only knock is that Colts draftees have found limited success when signing with other teams, which suggests that Peyton Manning and a great system make up for a lot of shortcomings, but the same could be said of the Patriots.

Philadelphia (B+)
Pro Bowlers: 7 (t-14th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 45 (t-5th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 2 (t-17th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 19 (t-9th)
Best Pick: DE Trent Cole (5th round, 2005)
Worst Pick: DE Jerome McDougle (1st round, 2003)

Summary: The Eagles didn't draft a bona fide star in the first round all decade, but they have had as many steals later in the draft as anybody. They also deserve a lot of credit for covering the running back position in glory for a full decade without a draftee in the top 50 (Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Correll Buckhalter).

[L.E.]

You act like this is a shocker. I saw 4-12 coming YEARS ago. I said many times the longer they wait to dump Reid the worse this team was going to be and if they waited too long he would leave this team exactly as he found it.

We can blame Heckert or Roseman if it makes us feel better, but those horrendous "value" drafts had Reid's fingerprints all over them.

[eagledrew13]

Yay, another draft "failures" discussion.

We have 1 all pro and 2 pro bowlers in 34 picks in that time frame. Just 17 of those draft picks were in the top 4 rounds. The 34 picks combined to have 46 seasons as a starter. Picks taking place in rounds 4-7 are considered long shots to even make a team in the NFL.

The patriots, who people that say we suck at drafting look to as one of the best drafting teams has 1 all pro and 4 pro bowlers in 38 picks. 1 pro bowler is no longer on the team, 1 is nothing but a ST ace and 1 is the K. Their 38 picks combined to have 23 seasons as a starter.

There are many the point to the 2008-present falcons Falcons as how to build a franchise through the draft. This is how their team starters were really built:

QB- draft,
RB- free agent
FB- leftover from previous regime
WR- leftover from previous regime
WR- draft
TE-  free agent
LT- draft
LG- leftover from previous regime
C- leftover from previous regime
RG- draft
RT- leftover from previous regime

DE- FA
DT- draft
DT- leftover
DE- draft
LB- holdover
LB- draft
LB- draft
CB- FA
CB- trade
S- draft
S- draft

So of 22 starters, only 10 were drafted by the team between 2008 and 2012(5 drafts),

11 of the starters on the 2012 eagles were drafted by the eagles between 2008 and 2012.

The draft is and will never be anything more than a crap shoot. The teams that wind up being seen as having the best draft do so more out of luck than it is out of skill...such as landing a future hall of fame QB in the 6th round(Tom Brady).

[James40]

The Patriots drafted 11 pro bowlers in 10 years, 2001 - 2010, the Eagles drafted 7, the Patriots have 46 players active in 2010 from those drafts, the Eagles had 45. Neither team is horrible especially when you consider the positions these teams were drafting in during those years.  It's also why Cleveland and Jacksonville have been pretty awful during those years.

[eagledrew13]

No so-called draft expert got more than 8 picks of the first round correct last season. The fact is nobody knows how a draft is going to work out and most draft picks fizzle while only a select few sizzle. The eagles make as many good picks on draft day as anybody else. That's not to say that all good picks end up being a success in the NFL. They don't. That's why the average NFL career lasts 3 years when players that have names that fans actually recognize tend to have careers lasting longer than a decade. In order for the average to be that low in spite of the length of the stars' careers, that would mean that the wide majority of careers last FEWER than those 3 years. So, based on the logic of the average fan on TATE, no team will ever have a good draft.

[we_gotta_believe]

McNasty87, on 05 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

People are always so amazed by things like this, without realizing that practically every single team in the nfl has exactly the same thing happen to them.  If you took the rosters of the top teams then you will see plenty of roster turnover and bad draft choices.  I live in New England and heard a couple months ago on the radio that the patriots have the worst rate as far as players they drafted that stay on their roster in the entire NFL.

+1 to you and James for proper perspective. The tone of the original post makes it sound like we were in the bottom 3rd of the league when it comes to draft selections but the facts seem to indicate we were about average, or maybe even slightly above it.

[Eagles3785]

I'd argue 2009 could be successful just because of Maclin and McCoy

Ideally you would want your 1st rounder putting up McCoy numbers BUT does it really matter?

McCoy would have been an excellent 1st round pick and Maclin would be a very solid 2nd round option

So i would say they hit their 1st 2 picks that year...which is acceptable

2010 and 2011 could be acceptable drafts pending on a few guys...2012 is too early to say

[iluvdaeagles]

they havnt been good at all

[LegendBird21]

Troll me if you want.  But I still say letting Stewart Bradley go was a mistake.

[heavywchamp]

James40, on 05 February 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

From football Facts.com   2000-2010 decade



Eagles are ranked 7th.

THE VALEDICTORIAN

San Diego (A-)
Pro Bowlers: 12 (1st)
Draftees Active in 2010: 39 (t-15th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 3 (t-13th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 22 (t-1st)
Best Pick: QB Drew Brees (2nd round, 2001)
Worst Pick: WR Craig Davis (1st round, 2007)

Summary: Although their last three draft classes have yet to really develop, the Chargers had one of the great draft runs of all time from 2004-07 under A.J. Smith, and they certainly got the better of the Eli Manning-Philip Rivers swap, at least in terms of statistical production. If Charlie Whitehurst is the starter in Seattle next year, they can boast of having picked three NFL starting QBs this decade (Drew Brees being the other). They've had almost no huge misses, and a whole lot of hits.

THE OVERACHIEVERS

Atlanta (B+)
Pro Bowlers: 6 (t-16th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 42 (t-9th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 5 (t-2nd)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 22 (t-1st)
Best Pick: QB Matt Schaub (3rd round, 2004)
Worst Pick: CB Jimmy Williams (2nd round, 2006)

Summary: The Falcons drafted three Pro Bowlers at QB (Schaub, Michael Vick, Matt Ryan), plus Roddy White and Alge Crumpler, but are still looking for an impact pass rusher – of their 13 picks on the defensive line, no one has more than 18 career sacks.


Philadelphia (B+)
Pro Bowlers: 7 (t-14th)
Draftees Active in 2010: 45 (t-5th)
Players with 50+ Career AV: 2 (t-17th)
Players with 20+ Career AV: 19 (t-9th)
Best Pick: DE Trent Cole (5th round, 2005)
Worst Pick: DE Jerome McDougle (1st round, 2003)

Summary: The Eagles didn't draft a bona fide star in the first round all decade, but they have had as many steals later in the draft as anybody. They also deserve a lot of credit for covering the running back position in glory for a full decade without a draftee in the top 50 (Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, Correll Buckhalter).

Whoever wrote this article has no credibility whatsoever!  How is Shuab ATL's best pick when he barely saw the field and have since drafted Roddy, Ryan and Julio?  How is Brees SD's best pick when he wasn't much of a factor and that's why they were hell bent on drafting Eli or getting Rivers to replace him.  They also draft LT that year who will be a HoF in four more years.  How is TC Eagle's best draft when they've had Westbrook and who has been much more of a factor?  I'm sure Freddie Mitchell being drafted in the first round was a bigger bust than McDougle or at least just as equal of a bust.

[eagledrew13]

heavywchamp, on 08 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

Whoever wrote this article has no credibility whatsoever!  How is Shuab ATL's best pick when he barely saw the field and have since drafted Roddy, Ryan and Julio?  How is Brees SD's best pick when he wasn't much of a factor and that's why they were hell bent on drafting Eli or getting Rivers to replace him.  They also draft LT that year who will be a HoF in four more years.  How is TC Eagle's best draft when they've had Westbrook and who has been much more of a factor?  I'm sure Freddie Mitchell being drafted in the first round was a bigger bust than McDougle or at least just as equal of a bust.

Most intelligent people would realize that value play a big part into what is the best pick.

[heavywchamp]

eagledrew13, on 08 February 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Most intelligent people would realize that value play a big part into what is the best pick.

Ok so what value did they get kind of value did Shuab bring to the Falcons that was more valuable than Ryan or Roddy, or Julio?  How was Brees more valuable than LT?  Westbrook was a lot more valuable for us during his time than TC is.

[dmor]

McNasty87, on 05 February 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

People are always so amazed by things like this, without realizing that practically every single team in the nfl has exactly the same thing happen to them.  If you took the rosters of the top teams then you will see plenty of roster turnover and bad draft choices.  I live in New England and heard a couple months ago on the radio that the patriots have the worst rate as far as players they drafted that stay on their roster in the entire NFL.

And there you have it.  In order to have a fair analysis, you need to look at every team in the NFL and see how many players they drafted during the year are still with their team that originally drafted them during the years mentioned.

LegendBird21, on 08 February 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Troll me if you want.  But I still say letting Stewart Bradley go was a mistake.

I suspect if the Eagles really wanted him back, it wouldn't be that hard to get the deal done.  How well has he played since he left the team?

[dmor]

Jordan629, on 05 February 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

2006
1st Round (14) - Broderick Bunkley, DT, FSU
2nd Round (39) - Winston Justice, OT, USC
3rd Round (71) - Chris Gocong, LB, Cal-Poly
4th Round (109) - Jason Avant, WR, Michigan
5th Round (168) Omar Gaither, LB, Tennessee

2007
2nd Round (36) Kevin Kolb, QB, Houston
3rd Round (87) Stewart Bradley, LB, Nebraska
5th Round (162) Brent Celek, TE, Cincinnati

2008
2nd Round (47) Trevor Laws, DT, Notre Dame
2nd Round (49) DeSean Jackson, WR, Cal Pro Bowler
3rd Round (80) Bryan Smith, DE, McNeese State (Fing McNeese State? 3rd rounder cut after one season...)
4th Round (109) Mike McGlynn, G, Pittsburgh
4th Round (117) Quentin Demps, S, UTEP
6th Round (184) Mike Gibson, OT, Cal
6th Round (200) Joe Mays, LB, North Dakota State (where all the great players come from)
6th Round (203) Andy Studebaker, LB, Wheaton (man, they loved their small school scouting, don't they?)
7th Round (230) King Dunlap, OT, Auburn

2009
1st Round (19) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
2nd Round (53) LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh Pro Bowler
5th Round (153) Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
5th Round (159) Fenuki Tupou, OT, Oregon
6th Round (194) Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State
7th Round (230) Moise Fokou, LB, Maryland

These are the players drafted by the Eagles from 2006-2009 who are still in the NFL.  Somehow, the drafts don't seem as bad as the OP tries to make them out to be.

[eagledrew13]

eagledrew13, on 08 February 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Most intelligent people would realize that value play a big part into what is the best pick.

Schaub is a 2 time pro bowl QB. In the 3rd round that is an immense value. Regardless of the fact that that happened after he left the team, that article is obviously recognizing the value of the pick by the scouts for seeing potential.

As far as the case of Trent Cole, a 5th round pro bowler who has routinely been one of the top players at his position is more value than a RB in the 3rd round who really only passed the 1000 rushing yards mark twice

[James40]

heavywchamp, on 08 February 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

Ok so what value did they get kind of value did Shuab bring to the Falcons that was more valuable than Ryan or Roddy, or Julio?  How was Brees more valuable than LT?  Westbrook was a lot more valuable for us during his time than TC is.

Uhh Drew F'n Brees!!!      Seriously?