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#1 SP

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:52 AM

Joe Flacco.


What a RhOMO.  

5. Matt Ryan
4. Ben Roethlisberger
3. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
1. Joe Flacco


Mangini goes:

5. Eli Manning
4. Aaron Rodgers
3. Drew Brees
2. Peyton Manning
1. Tom Brady



Hoge is a friggin' flavor-of-the-day idiot.



For personal reference, I posted this on January 18th of this year:

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Let's start from the bottom (all QBs with more than 4 starts in 2012):


The 'Should-Be-Backups'
These guys should be holding clipboards, not footballs

Brady Quinn
Blaine Gabbert
John Skelton
Matt Cassel
Matt Hasselbeck
Chad Henne


The 'I Stink But Get a Pass for Being Inexperienced'
These are the guys that are "still developing"

Kevin Kolb
Mark Sanchez
Jake Locker
Brandon Weeden
Sam Bradford


The 'Well, I Do Not SUCK' Guys
These are those "game managers"; the ones who aren't team leaders, but they get the job done.

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Nick Foles
Ryan Tannehill
Christian Ponder
Josh Freeman
Alex Smith


The 'Veteran Regular Season Warriors'
These older guys are those fantasy football winners, but can't win elimination games. They keep their teams in the hunt until weeks 16/17.

Carson Palmer
Michael Vick
Jay Cutler
Tony Romo
Philip Rivers


The 'Up-and-Coming Heroes'
These guys are your next wave of stars. They're the ones that will be winning championships over the next ten years.

Cam Newton

Russell Wilson
Collin Kaepernick
Andrew Luck

Robert Griffin III
Andy Dalton


The 'Fringe Stars'
These are guys that should be competing for All-Pro spots, but aren't the face of the NFL.

Joe Flacco
Matt Schaub
Matt Ryan
Matthew Stafford


The 'Almost There Gang'
These guys have Super Bowl rings, but aren't quite super stars. They're still a step above the last group.

Ben Roethlisberger
Eli Manning


The 'Goodell's Holy Team'
These guys are the face of the NFL and have their teams consistently in the hunt for championships.

Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady


And I feel pretty comfortable with that order too. Some of them are interchangeable to the groups above and below, depending on how they do in the current/next season. Most guys fluctuate only by one group (excluding the guys that go from Regular Season Warriors up to Fringe Stars, bypassing the up-and-coming title since they're older) from year-to-year. For instance, Ryan Tannehill might solidify himself as an "up-and-comer" or Philip Rivers takes the next step to "Fringe Star". Maybe Matthew Stafford regresses and has another year of heaving bad passes into double- and triple-coverage, and falls down into the "Regular Season Warrior" category.


Mangini and I had the same list :lol:

Hoge says he lives in the present/future and Mangini is a historian :roll:  Where'd Roethlisberger end up this year?? :roll:

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:00 AM

View PostSP, on 06 February 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

The 'Up-and-Coming Heroes'
These guys are your next wave of stars. They're the ones that will be winning championships over the next ten years.

Cam Newton
Collin Kaepernick
Andrew Luck
Robert Griffin III
Andy Dalton


Only one of them will ever win a championship, and it's not the cry baby Cam Newton, he's the next VY.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:55 AM

View PostFoles for HOF, on 06 February 2013 - 04:00 AM, said:

Only one of them will ever win a championship, and it's not the cry baby Cam Newton, he's the next VY.

Funny how Russel Wilson isn't mentioned anywhere. I'd take him over RG3, Luck, Kaepernick, Dalton, Newton....

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:15 AM

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The 'Veteran Regular Season Warriors'
These older guys are those fantasy football winners, but can't win elimination games. They keep their teams in the hunt until weeks 16/17.

Carson Palmer
Michael Vick
Jay Cutler
Tony Romo
Philip Rivers
:roll: :roll:

OMFG

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:27 AM

Apparently Flacco's agent wants him to be the highest paid QB in the NFL.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:50 AM

View PostL.E., on 06 February 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Apparently Flacco's agent wants him to be the highest paid QB in the NFL.
After him winning the bowl, I'd say that's likely to happen.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:51 AM

This country's obsession with ranking things :lol: that's all we do now...rank, rank and rank some more.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:53 AM

Op is Rank too. :lol:

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:29 AM

View PostFroggy, on 06 February 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

This country's obsession with ranking things :lol: that's all we do now...rank, rank and rank some more.

Who cares about the economy imploding. It's all about which QB is elite! :flex:

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 08:34 AM

View PostDawkins 20, on 06 February 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Who cares about the economy imploding. It's all about which QB is elite! :flex:

Hey, I never voted for this guy..I wanted Romney...I said if he got re-elected unemployment would go up..what happens? early january, and my firm lays off 2000...nice...

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:12 AM

View PostFlyinBrian36-20, on 06 February 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:

Funny how Russel Wilson isn't mentioned anywhere. I'd take him over RG3, Luck, Kaepernick, Dalton, Newton....

When Wilson first came to NC State the buzz down here was unbelievable based on what he had done in HS up in Richmond (97 combined TDs as a Jr & Sr) with the concensus of opinion being the only reason they even had a prayer of signing him was because he lacked prototypical QB size.  If the kid had been 6'1" - 6'2" instead of 5'9" & change he would have pretty much had his pick of any school in the country, but as it turned out State & Duke were the only 2 that offered him a full ride.

With that being said, and despite how well he played last season and all of his intangibles, if I was a NFL GM and could pick my franchise QB for the next 10 years I would still take Luck because he's the total package.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:31 AM

View Postrich36, on 06 February 2013 - 08:34 AM, said:

Hey, I never voted for this guy..I wanted Romney...I said if he got re-elected unemployment would go up..what happens? early january, and my firm lays off 2000...nice...

Well that's ****ty, but is Joe Flacco elite?!?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:39 AM

View PostDawkins 20, on 06 February 2013 - 09:31 AM, said:

Well that's ****ty, but is Joe Flacco elite?!?

Elite? He won the SB, but you can't tell me he's better than any of the guys who have won SB's recently...I wouldn't want him on my team...tricky question

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

View PostFoles for HOF, on 06 February 2013 - 04:00 AM, said:

Only one of them will ever win a championship, and it's not the cry baby Cam Newton, he's the next VY.

I think he turns it around this season. He did it towards the end of last year.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:00 PM

I was watching and his list was just confusing. to say Peyton manning is not a top 5 QB is beyond idiotic. Flacco as the best? why because he got hot during a four game stretch? People forget his regular season and to me you have to have consistency every game to be the #1 guy and to be in that "elite" category. I still think the only four elite QB's are Peyton, Brady, Rodgers and Brees. Then there is the next tier of guys like Eli, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, etc. I think If anything Flacco played himself into that tier.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

The video of Hoge talking about it was one of the greatest things I've ever witnessed. Beyond hilarity. His reasoning is atrocious. The guy is not even a top 5 QB let alone #1.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:12 PM

View PostSolomon, on 06 February 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

:roll: :roll:

OMFG

Two of the three of the seasons that he's played, the team has been in the hunt.  And he's a FF God, but a ishy QB.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:15 PM



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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

View PostFroggy, on 06 February 2013 - 07:51 AM, said:

This country's obsession with ranking things :lol: that's all we do now...rank, rank and rank some more.

I thought we ranked pretty low on rankings.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:29 PM

View PostBdawk330, on 06 February 2013 - 12:15 PM, said:


Why did I just watch Hoge tie a tie?

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:33 PM

View PostTheSilence, on 06 February 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Why did I just watch Hoge tie a tie?
.

So you can tie a Hodge now

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:40 PM

If I pick Roethlisberger, and you guys jump on me.

When I pick TD-machine-turnover-dissing-superbowl-winning Cool Joe Flacco, you guys jump on me.


Who should I pick?  Vick?  Foles?  Whatever intern you guys have as your #3?  I can't win with you people.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostMerril_Hoge, on 06 February 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

If I pick Roethlisberger, and you guys jump on me.

When I pick TD-machine-turnover-dissing-superbowl-winning Cool Joe Flacco, you guys jump on me.


Who should I pick?  Vick?  Foles?  Whatever intern you guys have as your #3?  I can't win with you people.

Actually, I'm not sure I'd agree with Mangini's pick of Brady at number one. I would have going into last year's post-season, but his last two post-season performances haven't been worthy of a number one-ranked QB. Flacco has been significantly better in their past two playoff encounters.

Right now, if I'm in a championship game and need a score to win it late, give me Flacco or Eli Manning.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

View Postrocketman44, on 06 February 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Actually, I'm not sure I'd agree with Mangini's pick of Brady at number one. I would have going into last year's post-season, but his last two post-season performances haven't been worthy of a number one-ranked QB. Flacco has been significantly better in their past two playoff encounters.

Right now, if I'm in a championship game and need a score to win it late, give me Flacco or Eli Manning.
When did Flacco score any points to win the game late? The only TD Baltimore scored in the 2nd half was from a kick return,  and in the 4th quarter he threw for a total of 37 yards.....comparing that to what Eli did is laughable.

Flacco is a good QB, but he doesn;t carry that team on offense, not even close. Boldin was obviously the MVP of that game as well

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

View Postrocketman44, on 06 February 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:


Actually, I'm not sure I'd agree with Mangini's pick of Brady at number one. I would have going into last year's post-season, but his last two post-season performances haven't been worthy of a number one-ranked QB. Flacco has been significantly better in their past two playoff encounters.

Right now, if I'm in a championship game and need a score to win it late, give me Flacco or Eli Manning.

View PostStephen1, on 06 February 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

When did Flacco score any points to win the game late? The only TD Baltimore scored in the 2nd half was from a kick return,  and in the 4th quarter he threw for a total of 37 yards.....comparing that to what Eli did is laughable.

Flacco is a good QB, but he doesn;t carry that team on offense, not even close. Boldin was obviously the MVP of that game as well

Exactly.  Here's what I had to say on that subject.  Mind you, this was before the AFC Championship and Super Bowl, but the facts still apply:

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David, that doesn't make any sense! The team has been leaning on Ray Rice and that defense for the majority of it. If anything, given the fact that he went 9-23 and 11-22 in his first two playoff games goes to show he didn't belong. Hell, the defense gave up 19 points COMBINED in those two games. Again, defense.

Come the next game, the Steelers whooped him and intercepted him three times.

Next season? 4-10 in the first game. And we won't get into the second, went the Colts spanked him again.

He looked good the following season against KC, but was a part of three turnovers in ANOTHER playoff loss to the Steelers.

If anything, you can only point to the last couple of seasons when he finally started putting it together. I mean, you consider at how lost he looked up until 2011 and you have to say they were winning in the playoffs in SPITE of him. You're going to hang your hat on 4-10 for 34 yards and an interception, just to be able to say he's the only QB to ever win a playoff game in his first three seasons?


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:10 PM

A lot of the Ravens' and Flacco's problems came from Cam Cameron dreadfully "obvious to defenses" playcalling.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:39 PM

RG3 should be at the very least in the fringe stars category. He is better than everyone in that category.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:30 PM

Yesterdays news.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

and yet we all keep him employed.

That Hoge is an idiot...

BUT ONLY WHEN YOU SAY HE IS

which equals

$$$$$$$

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:51 PM

Joe Flacco Is a lot better than people give him credit for around here. I would take him in a heartbeat for my quarterback.