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[aman88]

Basically said that 90 miles north they got a championship last year, 90 miles south they got one this year, but in between the Eagles do not even know who their Quarterback is.  He then said a lot of fans are getting tired of it already.  Which judging by every other topic being about QB's on here that is definitely true.  I just found it a funny way to say that.

He also did not seem to understand how Vick or Dixon could be options it sounded like (which probably everyone but some of the brain trusts on here agree with).



I am all for QB competition, but how you could possibly think two quarterbacks (Vick or Dixon) with well below average passing skills could be successful is beyond me.  This is a league where 12 guys threw 25+ TDs, 11 guys threw 4000+ yards, and 16 guys completed 60% of their passes or more.  I am fine with making a trade for a QB who may fit the system who passes well, or drafting a QB who throws well and can run the read option, if you really feel Foles has no chance at it.  But going after a 28 year old, injury prone guy on another teams practice squad, or keeping a 33 year old injury prone, mistake prone, well on the decline quarterback really should not even be an option or considered at all.  The fact that there is a good chance Vick or Dixon is starting in 2013 is really nerve racking.



(FYI if you are a Vick nuthugger and are going to bring no factual evidence and just insults to the conversation then go back to work or whatever you do in your life to get by).

[time2rock]

I found it funny that you added a comment about "bringing insults" just after throwing Vick nuthugger at them.  

[aman88]

time2rock, on 07 February 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

I found it funny that you added a comment about "bringing insults" just after throwing Vick nuthugger at them.  

I would not call that an insult.  It is more just you would have to be a bit delusional Vick fan to think he should start here.  Maybe out of touch with reality is the better term?

[voodoochile75]

I fail to see the room for discussion. Basically you only want people to agree with you and only you can throw out insults.


Good luck with that, Atilla.

[aman88]

voodoochile75, on 07 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I fail to see the room for discussion. Basically you only want people to agree with you and only you can throw out insults.


Good luck with that, Atilla.

no I just do not want statements such as "you are a moron and Vick will lead the Eagles to victory."  I welcome a discussion in varying views of what I said as long as people don't act like jackasses like as Philadelphia fans we are known to do.

[L.E.]

How about you stop worrying so much about this in February?

[EpyonXero]

Well if Sal Pal knows of a team thats willing to trade us their franchise QB maybe he should report it. Otherwise, STFU.

[bobbywizdum]

they are absolutely right. Lurie is making us the laughing stock of the league. We are seriously considering keeping vick or and bringing in a practice squad qb to compete for a starting job? Meanwhile the only good qb on our roster is barely being discussed because he isn't a runner? It's extremely humerous from an outsiders perspective. From an insiders it is mind numbing.

[joey_eagles75]

aman88, on 07 February 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

Basically said that 90 miles north the got a championship last year, 90 miles south they got on this year, but in between the Eagles do not even know who their Quarterback is.  He then said a lot of fans are getting tired of it already.  Which judging by every other topic being about QB's on here that is definitely true.  I just found it a funny way to say that.

He also did not seem to understand how Vick or Dixon could be options it sounded like (which probably everyone but some of the brain trusts on here agree with).



I am all for QB competition, but how you could possibly think two quarterbacks (Vick or Dixon) with well below average passing skills could be successful is beyond me.  This is a league where 12 guys threw 25+ TDs, 11 guys threw 4000+ yards, and 16 guys completed 60% of their passes or more.  I am fine with making a trade for a QB who may fit the system who passes well, or drafting a QB who throws well and can run the read option, if you really feel Foles has no chance at it.  But going after a 28 year old, injury prone guy on another teams practice squad, or keeping a 33 year old injury prone, mistake prone, well on the decline quarterback really should not even be an option or considered at all.  The fact that there is a good chance Vick or Dixon is starting in 2013 is really nerve racking.



(FYI if you are a Vick nuthugger and are going to bring no factual evidence and just insults to the conversation then go back to work or whatever you do in your life to get by).

And to your last statement, and if you are a Vick hater do tell what QB will have immediate impact on the eagles and get this team to it's first Super Bowl and as far as I'm concern Brady, P. Manning, Brees are all signed so who will do?
as of now Vick is the only option and we don't even know if Chip's scheme will work in the NFL.

[oskiew]

I think the problem is that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Everyone wants a better QB, but no one knows who that is, and there is no one out there that everyone will be happy with. Chip is either going to make someone work this year, or we'll fail miserably and draft one of the great QBs coming out of college next year. I keep hearing next year is good for that position.

[bobbywizdum]

joey_eagles75, on 07 February 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

And to your last statement, and if you are a Vick hater do tell what QB will have immediate impact on the eagles and get this team to it's first Super Bowl and as far as I'm concern Brady, P. Manning, Brees are all signed so who will do?
as of now Vick is the only option and we don't even know if Chip's scheme will work in the NFL.

vick is our only option when got outplayed by foles last year in every statistical catagory including the most important one from a qb's standpoint ppg?

[Brotha2thaNite]

voodoochile75, on 07 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

I fail to see the room for discussion. Basically you only want people to agree with you and only you can throw out insults.


Good luck with that, Atilla.

90% of TATE is agree with me or I'll call you an idiot. LOL
10% of TATE can disagree with you and I still have an intelligent discussion

[time2rock]

bobbywizdum, on 07 February 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

they are absolutely right. Lurie is making us the laughing stock of the league. We are seriously considering keeping vick or and bringing in a practice squad qb to compete for a starting job? Meanwhile the only good qb on our roster is barely being discussed because he isn't a runner? It's extremely humerous from an outsiders perspective. From an insiders it is mind numbing.

I think people are making too much out of all this.  They are just buying time, nothing more.

[bobbywizdum]

time2rock, on 07 February 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

I think people are making too much out of all this.  They are just buying time, nothing more.

i certainly hope so. we all know analystics need something to talk about when there are no games going on as well. For all we know the eagles have zero interest in dixon and have a late round pick already alligned to vick's departure. Unfortunately for all we know they are planning on keeping vick at a slightly reduced rate, bringing in dixon to back him up, and already have a trade worked out giving us a 2nd round pick for foles.

[macgregor]

bobbywizdum, on 07 February 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

i certainly hope so. we all know analystics need something to talk about when there are no games going on as well. For all we know the eagles have zero interest in dixon and have a late round pick already alligned to vick's departure. Unfortunately for all we know they are planning on keeping vick at a slightly reduced rate, bringing in dixon to back him up, and already have a trade worked out giving us a 2nd round pick for foles.

Well, this is the kind of nonsense Palantonio is peddling I'll give you that. As I see it 'Sal' is about as dumb as they come when it comes to football. Sports journalism is an entirely different thing though. So many in that field make their hay doing nothing more than stirring the pot with idiotic comments like this. Sal wants to be Mikey Miss.

Slightly less? Vick won't make $5M this year and Foles will start. If I'm right can I go to work for ESPN? I'd already be if that were the case.

[wussbasket]

believe it or not but we may not know who the starting QB will be until training camp, you got plenty of time between then and now to discuss all sorts of QB debates. its going to be a bumpy ride for most fans because they demand answers immediately for some dumb reason. just hang on tight and enjoy the offseason, everything will work itself out.

[odin8888]

If they are not intending to get a 7th round pick or better for vick, I will be very disappointed in teh new brain trust in charge...

That is a fact based on the last two years of facts - performance or lack of!!!


I can see the Dixon thing, only from the perspective that he knows Kelly's system, drills and can help in getting others in sync. but certainly not good enough for competition

[bobbywizdum]

odin8888, on 07 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

If they are not intending to get a 7th round pick or better for vick, I will be very disappointed in teh new brain trust in charge...

That is a fact based on the last two years of facts - performance or lack of!!!


I can see the Dixon thing, only from the perspective that he knows Kelly's system, drills and can help in getting others in sync. but certainly not good enough for competition

the only way we get a 7th is if there is a team afriad that they could get into a bidding war with another team for his services. I'm not sure there is any team that will sign him. It's alot of negative pr for a potential backup or one year stop gap. It's also alot of jersey sales because his fan boys probably will buy his new teams jersey only to witness the sad turn of events for when he is benched in week 5. I just don't see the market value for the 29th rated passer in the nfl !!

[delphil]

http://espn.go.com/e...play?id=8924978

[time2rock]

bobbywizdum, on 07 February 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

i certainly hope so. we all know analystics need something to talk about when there are no games going on as well. For all we know the eagles have zero interest in dixon and have a late round pick already alligned to vick's departure. Unfortunately for all we know they are planning on keeping vick at a slightly reduced rate, bringing in dixon to back him up, and already have a trade worked out giving us a 2nd round pick for foles.

There are numerous options they can go here - just have to have faith (albeit blind faith) that Kelly does the right thing when he gets time to really evaluate the roster.  I'll bet he hasn't spent much time doing so thus far, in trying to complete the assembly of his staff.

Regarding Vick,  it is reported they really have until March 12 to trade or release him, such that they'd only be liable for any portion of the $3M that he doesn't make elsewhere.  Doubt they'd find a suitor willing to trade for him.  If he is released, have to figure he'll catch on somewhere (most likely as a backup) so the money out-of-pocket for buying that extra month would be minimal.

Regarding Foles, I know Kelly has said he is willing to adapt his zone-read option scheme to the players on the current roster.  But I also believe he will want to employ his vision of an offense at some point - so why install a scheme that will not stick around long-term ?

[odin8888]

bobbywizdum, on 07 February 2013 - 09:34 AM, said:

the only way we get a 7th is if there is a team afriad that they could get into a bidding war with another team for his services. I'm not sure there is any team that will sign him. It's alot of negative pr for a potential backup or one year stop gap. It's also alot of jersey sales because his fan boys probably will buy his new teams jersey only to witness the sad turn of events for when he is benched in week 5. I just don't see the market value for the 29th rated passer in the nfl !!

I just think Reid would want him to buy some time grooming another... Other teams could see some value, and that is why I said 7th round pick.... instead of anything higher

[iluvdaeagles]

both of those teams have their franchise QB we dont

our franchise QB is in college somewhere....whoever plays next year is simply a bridge guy till chips guy is ready to play

[pgcd3]

odin8888, on 07 February 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

If they are not intending to get a 7th round pick or better for vick, I will be very disappointed in teh new brain trust in charge...

That is a fact based on the last two years of facts - performance or lack of!!!


I can see the Dixon thing, only from the perspective that he knows Kelly's system, drills and can help in getting others in sync. but certainly not good enough for competition

I agree on the first point. To me this is a bad sign. Vick's 'talent' has coached numerous coaches to go astray through the years and it just happened in philly. How can Lurie even consider letting it happen again? To me it's symptomatic of the bigger problem. We have a GM that contributes nothing to any real football decisions. If Ozzie Newsome were GM here would Vick still be on this team today? I think we all know the answer to that.  Basically we hired a college coach and provided him with no real NFL support system in the FO except contract negotiation and scouting reports for college players. Kelly is facing an uphill battle even though he is smart.

[bobbywizdum]

iluvdaeagles, on 07 February 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

both of those teams have their franchise QB we dont

our franchise QB is in college somewhere....whoever plays next year is simply a bridge guy till chips guy is ready to play

says you because you don't want foles to even have an opportunity. If it's a stop gap year why not go with 24 years old and showing promise to see what you have instead of 33 year old rapidly declining turnover boy? if foles turns out to suck ok fine you draft the next guy. what gain is there to starting vick in a stop gap year and never finding out what foles can really do?

[iluvdaeagles]

bobbywizdum, on 07 February 2013 - 09:46 AM, said:

says you because you don't want foles to even have an opportunity. If it's a stop gap year why not go with 24 years old and showing promise to see what you have instead of 33 year old rapidly declining turnover boy? if foles turns out to suck ok fine you draft the next guy. what gain is there to starting vick in a stop gap year and never finding out what foles can really do?

so you wanna believe the same sal pal who said this:

http://boards.philad...2/page__st__270

cant have it both ways idiots

[ggs5008]

oskiew, on 07 February 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

I think the problem is that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. Everyone wants a better QB, but no one knows who that is, and there is no one out there that everyone will be happy with. Chip is either going to make someone work this year, or we'll fail miserably and draft one of the great QBs coming out of college next year. I keep hearing next year is good for that position.

5 years ago I would say this is true, however, not anymore. The rules have changed drastically and has made it alot easier to play QB. College QB's are also alot closer to being nfl ready today then they ever have.

Starting QB's:
Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Ben
Eli
Payton
Matt Ryan
Rivers
Romo
Schaub
Stafford
Flacco
Cutler
Newton
Freeman
CK/Smith
Bradford
Dalton
Cassell
Palmer
Fitzpatrick
Sanchez
Luck
Griffen
Ponder
Wilson
Kolb/Skelton
Locker
Tannehill
Weeden
Gabbert

In bold, I would consider franchise type QB's. More often than not, teams have quality QB's in the nfl. There are also some borderline ones depending on who you talk to, but regardless, this was not the case 5-10 years ago. Unless you had a top 5 QB you were not winning the super bowl. That is not the case anymore.

[Flyin' Brian]

Sal Pal is an idiot

That is all you need to know

[iluvdaeagles]

Flyin, on 07 February 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Sal Pal is an idiot

That is all you need to know

http://boards.philad...2/page__st__270

people that read this realize just last month sal pal said the eagles want chip kelly to be paired with vick...so which sal pal do you people want to believe

[Gregg]

Flyin, on 07 February 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Sal Pal is an idiot

That is all you need to know

This^^^^^^^

[Ipspots]

So we have just begun the offseason and we are already supposed to know who the NEW QB of the Chipper era will be? Seriously people.....

WHat SAL PAL was saying is that all three of our division Rivals have pretty Good QB's... and we dont have one.

He is pointing out how important it will be that we get one.

Lets see what they do in the draft/Free agency etc.....   Chip and the Front office know they cant win with Vick... so relax... They will address it. It's way to early yet to panic