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[Pegger]

Pegger's 2013 mock offseason v3

A couple notes:
- Using walterfootball.com and cbssports.com for my player rankings.
- Assuming new DC will make the transition to a 3-4
- I'd rather slightly reach for a player then hope he falls to a spot. It just makes the draft more realistic.
- All salary cap items can be referenced through eaglescap.com (Bryce is a great fan with a knack for this stuff). No heavy details, just making sure it makes sense.
- For draft picks I'm using the following trade value chart http://walterfootbal...aftology321.php
- Stopped after the 4th round. Doesn't matter too much at this point.

HC - Chip Kelly
OC - Pat Shurmur
DC - Billy Davis


Players kept:

Colt Anderson - he's an RFA and a good special teamer. Why not?

Jon Dorenbos - solid long snapper who constantly goes unnoticed because he always does his job.


Cuts:

D.Bell - Already happened, but I just like saying it again.

Mike Vick - cant restructure him and its tough to build round an injury prone, 32 year old running QB. The move costs us $7.2M, but saves us $10.7M.

Kurt Coleman - I'm thinking he gets cut late in training camp. All the same it's done. He's so inconsistent that I really feel it makes his teammates second guess their assignments.


Free Agents:

QB Dennis Dixon (28 yo, 2 yrs $4M)- coming in because he knows Kelly and can run the read option. Foles is the starter, but if it doesn't work Chip has a guy to try his college scheme.

NT/DE Alan Branch (28 yo, 3 yrs $12M) - started his career a bit slow in Arizona, but has turned into a great space eater against the run. His played his entire career in hybrid 3-4 teams (Ari and Sea). He'd can play either NT or DE in our new front, but for my plans he's a NT.

NT/DE - Sammy Lee HIll (26 yo, 1 yr $1M) - Completely overshadowed by Suh and Fairly. Physically he's a good athlete who's 6'4, 330lbs. With our defensive scheme change we'll need some pure size. He's that guy. Ultimately I choose Hill over keeping Dixon. Athletically he has more to offer and has shown to be a solid run stuffer.

CB Tracy Porter (27 yo, 2 yr $7M) - injury filled 2012 will drop his value. He comes fairly cheep due to teh 2012 season. He's a decent corner who's coming at a bit of a discount.

S Jarius Byrd (26 yo, 5 yrs $40M) - we essentially offer the 'highest paid safety' or Eric Weddle contract from this past offseason. While Byrd was at Oregon Chip was the OC. Chip appears to be well liked and I'm making an assumption Byrd would rather rebuild here than in Buf. I was looking at other safeties, but they all have injury issues. If Byrd is franchised than I'd like Dashon Goldson, William Moore then Louis Delmas in that order. There's a chance all of them could be franchised, but whomever is remaining will be signed to Philly. We need help in that spot and hoping a rookie can come in and contribute is too much of a risk.


Trades:

Mike Patterson for a conditional 2014 4th rounder - he's a good 4-3 DT that just no longer fits what we are doing. Someone will be okay with a starting DT that's under a no obligation contract wise. If he doesn't work they cut him and we get nothing.

Eagles 1-4 (2400 pts) and their 5th (~120) for the Jets 1-9 (1900 pts) and their 2-39 (690). Why? Luke and Star are both gone when #4 rolls around. The Jets didn't have an OLB with more than 3.5 sacks and they just cut two of their LBs (Pace and Scott). Jets finally look to have top pick of the 3-4 edge rushers and move up to assure they can get either Bjoern Werner/Damontre Moore.


Draft:

1-9 - Xavier Rhodes, CB Flordia St. (6'2, 215) - I'm a little torn here. Ideally Fisher would have been availble, but he was grabbed between the 4th adn the 9th. With Rhodes we get a top tier prospect corner who will develop into a starter. He'll start #3 or #4  on the depth chart but depending on how the season goes we might move him in earlier.

2-35 - Barrett Jones, OG/C/T Alabama (6'5,311) - Get a lot of versatility in Barrett and we need it. Having a guard that due to injury might end up being a tackle could be huge expecially with the question marks we current have at LT/RT.

2-39 - Phillip Thomas FS/SS Fresno State (6, 1/2, 210) - To me he's the best safety in this year's draft. Has really good range, can make a play on the ball (led NCAA in pics with 8), wraps up runners between the tackles and times his blitz really well.

3-67 - Kyle Long OT Oregon (6'7, 311) - Athletic, raw tackle who Kelly would know very well. This is a bit of a reach, but tackles are flying off the board and if Kelly likes what he had and feels he can take the next step he's brought in as a developmental tackle.

4-TBD -Michael Williams TE Alabama (6'6, 270) - He's a mauler as a blocker, but showed some receiving promis at the senior bowl. He's inconsistent in that area, but when we spread things out if we need to help the OL he'd be a prime person to bring in to chip and/or stay in and block.

Offensive Roster:

QB - Foles, Edwards, Dixon - The future QB might not be on the roster, but Chip has options and the current guys get a shot.

RB - McCoy, Brown, Polk, Lewis - position is young and all are under contract.

FB - Havili, Igwenagu - I really like both and let the best man win.

WR - Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Cooper, Johnson, Salas - not a bad group and we want to who will fit.

TE - Celek, Williams, Harbor

LT - Peters, Kelly - really banking on Peters recovery. If not, Kelly will continue learning while he's on the job.

LG - Mathis, Reynolds -Mathis actually held up well when everything else was falling apart.

C - Kelce, Tennant - best part of Jason's injury was that it happened early in the season. He should be back this year.

RG - Jones, Watkins - Jones get's a chance to start at gaurd , but I also want to see if the bust Watkins will fare better in a more common blocking scheme.

RT - Herremans, Long - Herremans is penciled in as the starter.

Defensive Roster:

RDE - Jenkins, Hill/Thornton - people forget that Jenkins played in a 3-4 when the Pack won a SB.

NT - Branch, Hill - the size is what we need there. The fact that both have height at the spot is a nice bonus for batted balls.

LDE - Cox, Thornton - let Cox develop into a Seymour type 3-4 DE.

ROLB - Cole, Hunt - I'm not questioning if Trent can drop back, because he did so with McDermott and he's a good open field tackler. Hunt might benefit the most from the move.

ILBs - Ryans, Kendricks, Chaney, Matthews, Rau - Ryan's was a good ILB for Houston and Kendricks can play any LB spot.

LOLB - Graham, Curry - I have little hesitation that Brandon can make the conversion. Curry might be more of a question mark.

RCB - Porter, Rhodes, Hughes - I like that combo and if Rhodes wins the starting job then so be it.

SS - Allen, Thomas - I hesitate penciling in a rookie to start, but it will be a camp battle for the spot.

FS - Byrd, Anderson - in Byrd we have the first consistent playmaker as our last line of defence.

LCB - Asomugha, Boykins (nickel), Marsh - people hate Nnamdi, but IMO a restructure will happen, he'll get a safety over him and he'll have a bounce back season. Also the loser of Trufant/Porter can slide there if Nnamdi is really done.

Kicker - Henery - coming off a great season.
LS - Dorenbos - mentioned above
Punter - McBriar - getting his confidence back can bring him back to Probowl form.


Thoughts? Feedback is appreciated.

[Asiragusa]

I like it a lot but do you think Rhodes is worth the 9th pick?  I love him but still.  And I really don't think the Eagles would be able to sign both Byrd and Porter.  Byrd probably won't leave Buffalo and Porter might stay too.  Finally, I'd like the Eagles to make a move for a OLB rusher for the 34 defense, preferably Kruger if not one in the draft.  Overall not bad at all

[number1eaglesfan77]

Overall really solid offseason, but I just don't get the hype on Xavier Rhodes. I see him as a very possible target for the eagles in the 2nd round, but top 10 seems pretty crazy to me. Milliner is the much better player of the two.

[Footballman175]

McShay, Kiper, and Walterfootball don't even have Rhodes in the 1st round....and you're drafting him in the top 10?

I think Rhodes is a good Corner, but i am not all in the 'hype'....dude had a cupcake schedule in the ACC and was unnoticable during out of conference games against lesser opponents. Also is one of the most flagged corners in College...but theres also A LOT to like him about him

I think he would be a GREAT 2nd round pick, but no way in hell am i drafting him in the top 10

[Asiragusa]

Footballman175, on 07 February 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

McShay, Kiper, and Walterfootball don't even have Rhodes in the 1st round....and you're drafting him in the top 10?

This Xavier Rhodes love is getting pretty funny. I think Rhodes is a good Corner, but i am not all in the 'hype'....dude had a cupcake schedule in the ACC and was unnoticable during out of conference games against lesser opponents. Also is one of the most flagged corners in College...

I think he would be a GREAT 2nd round pick, but no way in hell am i drafting him in the top 10

Do you think he will be there in the second during the Eagles pick?

[Footballman175]

Asiragusa, on 07 February 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Do you think he will be there in the second during the Eagles pick?

Yes i do....and it would be a great pick. I would love it.

By the way, since i just bashed Rhodes (my bad)...what i like about him:

Extremely talented. Has all the tools to become a top lockdown corner in the NFL. Tackles very well for a corner too. Played BIG in big games in the ACC....there's a lot to like about Rhodes

[Asiragusa]

Footballman175, on 07 February 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

Yes i do....and it would be a great pick. I would love it.

Me too but I think the 49ers will take him in the first

[Pegger]

Footballman175, on 07 February 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

McShay, Kiper, and Walterfootball don't even have Rhodes in the 1st round....and you're drafting him in the top 10?

This Xavier Rhodes love is getting pretty funny.

Milliner will probably be gone by 9 and I don't like Banks. To me my top three corners are Milliner, Rhodes and Trufant in that order. I was reaching for Rhodes, but I'd rather reach for the second corner than any safety or DT. Warmack is a definate option, but I elected to go corner than fill the guard need the next round.

I could have had some trades to acquire more picks and grab Rhodes around 20, but things start getting confusing when there's a lot of draft pick movement and it starts to look unrealistic.

[Asiragusa]

Pegger, on 07 February 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Milliner will probably be gone by 9 and I don't like Banks. To me my top three corners are Milliner, Rhodes and Trufant in that order. I was reaching for Rhodes, but I'd rather reach for the second corner than any safety or DT. Warmack is a definate option, but I elected to go corner than fill the guard need the next round.

Not a bad idea I would just trade down farther, still get Rhodes and get more picks

[Footballman175]

Pegger, on 07 February 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Milliner will probably be gone by 9 and I don't like Banks. To me my top three corners are Milliner, Rhodes and Trufant in that order. I was reaching for Rhodes, but I'd rather reach for the second corner than any safety or DT. Warmack is a definate option, but I elected to go corner than fill the guard need the next round.

Well than the Eagles are in a tough situation. I do not believe you reach for a position in drafts anymore. You are totally wasting value of that draft pick....look at what the Eagles did last year. They drafted BPA all the way, and one of the best drafts ever turned out.

Asiragusa, on 07 February 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Not a bad idea I would just trade down farther, still get Rhodes and get more picks

that's the ideal situation. You have to trade down to match the value of where Rhodes really deserves to go. But you also play the risk of another team gettiing him

[Asiragusa]

Footballman175, on 07 February 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

Well than the Eagles are in a tough situation. I do not believe you reach for a position in drafts anymore. You are totally wasting value of that draft pick....look at what the Eagles did last year. They drafted BPA all the way, and one of the best drafts ever turned out.

Well said

[Footballman175]

By the way, i don't see a chance of Byrd leaving Buffalo. I heard they are already working on a deal

....Now that i got the Rhodes part out of the way....Pegger the rest of your draft is really good. I love every pick in your draft.

[Asiragusa]

I live in Buffalo and I feel strongly that he will not be leaving

[Pegger]

Footballman175, on 07 February 2013 - 05:47 PM, said:

By the way, i don't see a chance of Byrd leaving Buffalo. I heard they are already working on a deal

....Now that i got the Rhodes part out of the way....Pegger the rest of your draft is really good. I love every pick in your draft.

RE: Byrd - He's my top pick for the position, but understand it might be a pipe dream. That's mainly why in my explaination I've given 3 alternatives. Ultimately we have cap room and should be the top bidders for a proven safety. I'm about as against starting two rookies as I am to seeing Allan and Coleman do their thing for another year.

Asiragusa, on 07 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

I live in Buffalo...

Sorry to hear about that

[ThaPhenom]

ive read that Rhodes is terrible in zone coverage... so do we really want him at 9?
i like Rhodes alot but idk about 9

[Asiragusa]

I know but I'm from Philly and a die hard Eagles and Flyers fan so even though its tough only watching a few games a year, I stay true

[LuciusLeftFoot]

The Rhodes love is getting a bit out of control here.

Granted, a lot can happen between now and April - maybe he blows the doors off the combine and does vault to the top 10. I have seen him mocked in the teens on draft sites, so 9 doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, but still not happy with the use of that pick at this point.

Other than that (and the Byrd conundrum and other FA concerns that others have brought up) I really like the draft. One of the stronger ones I've seen on here.

[NWMontana]

Rhodes love is based on  6'2" 216.......

Nice work.....

Reached for Rhodes, but like you said if you believe.....Love the rest

[Pegger]

The biggest issue I have with my own draft is the tackles. I'm assuming both Peters and Herremans come back. Peters has had two surgeries on the same tendon within a month and Herremans had a dislocateded ankle. Adding to Todd's recovery is the complication that he recently had another sugery to clean out an infection in the ankle.

I had a previous mock where I got Fisher with our #1 pick. I'm wondering if reaching for Lane Johnson at 9 might make more sense. We'd be a corner down on the team, but that could be a FA or a later draft pick. I'm not tied to Long and really feel he wouldn't be functional in his rookie year, whereas Johnson is just a better bandaid if the 2012 injures still impact the tackle position.

[ThaPhenom]

Pegger, on 08 February 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

The biggest issue I have with my own draft is the tackles. I'm assuming both Peters and Herremans come back. Peters has had two surgeries on the same tendon within a month and Herremans had a dislocateded ankle. Adding to Todd's recovery is the complication that he recently had another sugery to clean out an infection in the ankle.

I had a previous mock where I got Fisher with our #1 pick. I'm wondering if reaching for Lane Johnson at 9 might make more sense. We'd be a corner down on the team, but that could be a FA or a later draft pick. I'm not tied to Long and really feel he wouldn't be functional in his rookie year, whereas Johnson is just a better bandaid if the 2012 injures still impact the tackle position.

again your forgetting about Dennis Kelly... he played RT well under horrible conditions

[Pegger]

ThaPhenom, on 08 February 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

again your forgetting about Dennis Kelly... he played RT well under horrible conditions

im not forgetting Kelly, I just don't want to count on him. He's a 2nd year guy. Could get better, stay the same or regress.

[Asiragusa]

Pegger, on 08 February 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

im not forgetting Kelly, I just don't want to count on him. He's a 2nd year guy. Could get better, stay the same or regress.

Depending on Kelly would be a mistake

[ThaPhenom]

Asiragusa, on 08 February 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Depending on Kelly would be a mistake

not necessarily... we depended on Watkins and sure he as an individual failed us... but the line as a whole was great that year

[Asiragusa]

ThaPhenom, on 09 February 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

not necessarily... we depended on Watkins and sure he as an individual failed us... but the line as a whole was great that year

You should never go into a season depending on a young, inexperienced player at an important position.  At the bare minimum bring in serious competition

[ThaPhenom]

Asiragusa, on 09 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

You should never go into a season depending on a young, inexperienced player at an important position.  At the bare minimum bring in serious competition

thats not really true either... or else the colts wouldnt have Luck and redskins wouldnt have RG3... those are both very important positions and both teams depended on them.... they couldve busted

[Phillysfan898]

Asiragusa, on 09 February 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

You should never go into a season depending on a young, inexperienced player at an important position.  At the bare minimum bring in serious competition

Anquan boldin? RG3 it doesn't mean they can't get better just because they have inexperience at the position

[Asiragusa]

Phillysfan898, on 09 February 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

Anquan boldin? RG3 it doesn't mean they can't get better just because they have inexperience at the position

RG3 is different than Dennis Kelly

[Phillysfan898]

Asiragusa, on 09 February 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

RG3 is different than Dennis Kelly

Didnt read the whole forum sorry...

[Asiragusa]

Phillysfan898, on 09 February 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Didnt read the whole forum sorry...

It's cool.  I don't mind giving Kelly a legit chance I just think competition brings the best out in players.  Or, what if Chip doesn't like Dennis Kelly?  Or what if he plays poorly?  Then what.  He's inexperienced and unproven...

[Phillysfan898]

Yup. You have to make them work for it