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[Exodus]

I won't go in-depth of the points that have been rehashed here over and over and over again. To summarize, it's blatantly obvious that he wasn't Philly's first choice, and that his track record is less than stellar. He's a re-tread that has not succeeded at the position. But, I don't think that is how our FO views him.

The FO has committed to Chip Kelly. Five years for $32.5M means it is HIGHLY unlikely that he coaches here for less than four years, unless he pulls crap like Saban or Petrino. Also, Chip is an offensive "guru" according to the press. Lurie (not Laurie) has said that he will be patient with Chip. I see this as giving Chip 2-3 years to develop his offense before being expected to give a lights-out performance. And the defense? Doesn't matter at this point. This team just went 4-12, and another 4-12 type season doesn't seem like it will ruffle Lurie, right now. With Billy Davis, he can either do very well (win), or he could do as he has in the past and suck. How is the last part a win? It's not, at least for Davis. But, if Chip Kelly does have a blossoming offense at that point, then that means that this team is a defensive coordinator away from being a contender. At that point, firing Davis opens up the job for a coveted position (win). And if Kelly sucked for those first two years? Then, my friends, it wouldn't have mattered if we had hired D LeBeau to run this defense. An offensive coach who can't get the offense moving is just another Brian Billick.

Summary - With an offensive minded coach with no experience, getting the offense going is the first priority. The DC doesn't matter. We could have a ham-sandwich coaching this defense for the next year or two and it would not affect what the FO cares about right now, which is being right about Chip Kelly's offense.

[ryguy552]

Regardless of all this I think he was their third choice. Why wait 2 weeks after they interviewed him to make the hire? They waited until after the SuperBowl and National Signing Day, and Donatell got blocked and Grantham spurned them I believe. Not a lot of trust in this guy.

[dmor]

It's not a win win to get a sucky DC.  Kelly is trying to build a TEAM.  Last I checked, there was an offense and defense on a team, and the keys to the defense have been given to a loser.

[evilwaldo]

Exodus, on 09 February 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

I won't go in-depth of the points that have been rehashed here over and over and over again. To summarize, it's blatantly obvious that he wasn't Philly's first choice, and that his track record is less than stellar. He's a re-tread that has not succeeded at the position. But, I don't think that is how our FO views him.

The FO has committed to Chip Kelly. Five years for $32.5M means it is HIGHLY unlikely that he coaches here for less than four years, unless he pulls crap like Saban or Petrino. Also, Chip is an offensive "guru" according to the press. Lurie (not Laurie) has said that he will be patient with Chip. I see this as giving Chip 2-3 years to develop his offense before being expected to give a lights-out performance. And the defense? Doesn't matter at this point. This team just went 4-12, and another 4-12 type season doesn't seem like it will ruffle Lurie, right now. With Billy Davis, he can either do very well (win), or he could do as he has in the past and suck. How is the last part a win? It's not, at least for Davis. But, if Chip Kelly does have a blossoming offense at that point, then that means that this team is a defensive coordinator away from being a contender. At that point, firing Davis opens up the job for a coveted position (win). And if Kelly sucked for those first two years? Then, my friends, it wouldn't have mattered if we had hired D LeBeau to run this defense. An offensive coach who can't get the offense moving is just another Brian Billick.

Summary - With an offensive minded coach with no experience, getting the offense going is the first priority. The DC doesn't matter. We could have a ham-sandwich coaching this defense for the next year or two and it would not affect what the FO cares about right now, which is being right about Chip Kelly's offense.

Well done

[getch]

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Summary - With an offensive minded coach with no experience, getting the offense going is the first priority. The DC doesn't matter. We could have a ham-sandwich coaching this defense for the next year or two and it would not affect what the FO cares about right now, which is being right about Chip Kelly's offense.

So you are saying that the coach and the FO doesn't care about winning, only about fooling the fans into thinking they do?

[James40]

Was Davis guaranteed a job with the Browns this year?    If not he may have unemployed in 2013, depending on how well the interviews went for linebacker coach with the Panthers and or the Jets.  

He may have received a $2.50 raise in his salary from 2012 Browns linebacker coach to 2013 Eagles defensive coordinator.
It has to be a win/win, here's a coach with years of NFL experience that you probably got on the cheap.

[OB_Eagle]

James40, on 10 February 2013 - 12:43 AM, said:

Was Davis guaranteed a job with the Browns this year?    If not he may have unemployed in 2013, depending on how well the interviews went for linebacker coach with the Panthers and or the Jets.  

He may have received a $2.50 raise in his salary from 2012 Browns linebacker coach to 2013 Eagles defensive coordinator.
It has to be a win/win, here's a coach with years of NFL experience that you probably got on the cheap.

Joe Grizzly.  One of the most slept on movie scenes ever...lol

[OldEagle1960]

This is another silly post.  Jim Johnson was second choice.

Quoting Jim Mora - You think you know, but you don't and never will.

[pgcd3]

The win part and I'm serious here is that Davis might cost you an extra game or two that will enable you to get a franchise QB in the 2014 draft. In the end that might be critical. But I in no way think that's the master plan of the weak FO.

Enough with the Jim Johnson Bellichick nonsense. Yes you never know what you'll get but that doesn't mean you go out and hire the worst candidate out there and actually expect to get good results

[WestPaEaglesNest]

Exodus, on 09 February 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

I won't go in-depth of the points that have been rehashed here over and over and over again. To summarize, it's blatantly obvious that he wasn't Philly's first choice, and that his track record is less than stellar. He's a re-tread that has not succeeded at the position. But, I don't think that is how our FO views him.

The FO has committed to Chip Kelly. Five years for $32.5M means it is HIGHLY unlikely that he coaches here for less than four years, unless he pulls crap like Saban or Petrino. Also, Chip is an offensive "guru" according to the press. Lurie (not Laurie) has said that he will be patient with Chip. I see this as giving Chip 2-3 years to develop his offense before being expected to give a lights-out performance. And the defense? Doesn't matter at this point. This team just went 4-12, and another 4-12 type season doesn't seem like it will ruffle Lurie, right now. With Billy Davis, he can either do very well (win), or he could do as he has in the past and suck. How is the last part a win? It's not, at least for Davis. But, if Chip Kelly does have a blossoming offense at that point, then that means that this team is a defensive coordinator away from being a contender. At that point, firing Davis opens up the job for a coveted position (win). And if Kelly sucked for those first two years? Then, my friends, it wouldn't have mattered if we had hired D LeBeau to run this defense. An offensive coach who can't get the offense moving is just another Brian Billick.

Summary - With an offensive minded coach with no experience, getting the offense going is the first priority. The DC doesn't matter. We could have a ham-sandwich coaching this defense for the next year or two and it would not affect what the FO cares about right now, which is being right about Chip Kelly's offense.

Dumbets reasoning ever!  Chip Kelly is the head coach, not offensive coordinator.  If the defense is abysmal, then he fails.

[SBorBust]

The Eagles hired Billy Davis because they thought he was the best candidate who would take the job. Stop with all of this conspiracy nonsense.

If you really need an "Evil Jeffrey" reason for the hire: He thought that hiring the guy helps winning and he knows that revenue increases when the team wins

[ryguy552]

pgcd3, on 10 February 2013 - 09:07 AM, said:

The win part and I'm serious here is that Davis might cost you an extra game or two that will enable you to get a franchise QB in the 2014 draft. In the end that might be critical. But I in no way think that's the master plan of the weak FO.

Enough with the Jim Johnson Bellichick nonsense. Yes you never know what you'll get but that doesn't mean you go out and hire the worst candidate out there and actually expect to get good results

There were worse guys out there. I wanted no part of Rob Ryan. The guy hired in KC Sutton underwhelming, and Jax new DC has a pretty bad track record. We could have done worse.

[Exodus]

Some of you guys truly lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Clearly the public education system is failing in this country. I'll try to dumb it down Barney-style for a few of you;

-Chip Kelly, lacking NFL experience and contacts, was unable to pull a big-name DC. The position was not attractive to prospective coordinators for a variety of reasons.
-This is ok, because Kelly will be given the time by the FO to develop his offense and adapt it (and by "it," I mean whatever offense he chooses to run) to the NFL
-If Kelly succeeds, and Billy Davis ends up being a good DC, then this is a win as it forms a competitive team.
-If Kelly succeeds, and Davis ends up sucking, they can fire him. Again, if Kelly succeeds, it means we have a good offense and he has NFL credibility, which makes the DC position attractive to potential hires, meaning we won't get a lousy retread again. Another win.
-If Kelly fails, it wouldn't matter who the DC was, because he'll be shown the door after 4 years anyway.

[InfiniteSeriesN]

Exodus, on 10 February 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Some of you guys truly lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Clearly the public education system is failing in this country. I'll try to dumb it down Barney-style for a few of you;

-Chip Kelly, lacking NFL experience and contacts, was unable to pull a big-name DC. The position was not attractive to prospective coordinators for a variety of reasons.
-This is ok, because Kelly will be given the time by the FO to develop his offense and adapt it (and by "it," I mean whatever offense he chooses to run) to the NFL
-If Kelly succeeds, and Billy Davis ends up being a good DC, then this is a win as it forms a competitive team.
-If Kelly succeeds, and Davis ends up sucking, they can fire him. Again, if Kelly succeeds, it means we have a good offense and he has NFL credibility, which makes the DC position attractive to potential hires, meaning we won't get a lousy retread again. Another win.
-If Kelly fails, it wouldn't matter who the DC was, because he'll be shown the door after 4 years anyway.

yeah that's great.

define 'success'.

[matchew88]

He IS getting better though...in his 2 years at SF, he had a D that never made it higher than 25th in points allowed, but the offense didn't help at all. In Arizona, when they had a good offense, his defense was 14th in points allowed. The bottom of that team fell out in 2010 however.

The heights he's reaching in defense ARE getting better.

[Jordan629]

Exodus, on 10 February 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

-Chip Kelly, lacking NFL experience and contacts, was unable to pull a big-name DC. The position was not attractive to prospective coordinators for a variety of reasons.

1. How do you know Chip Kelly's connections? Are you his agent or something?

2. What "big name" DCs were available in the first place?

[InfiniteSeriesN]

matchew88, on 10 February 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

He IS getting better though...in his 2 years at SF, he had a D that never made it higher than 25th in points allowed, but the offense didn't help at all. In Arizona, when they had a good offense, his defense was 14th in points allowed. The bottom of that team fell out in 2010 however.

The heights he's reaching in defense ARE getting better.

reversion to the mean.

go look it up.

[Jordan629]

I love how people continually think that where a defensive unit ranks on NFL.com is the be all, end all way to judge a coordinator.

[James40]

OB_Eagle, on 10 February 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Joe Grizzly.  One of the most slept on movie scenes ever...lol

His part from the truck to the bathroom cracks me up.

[selassieyouth]

ryguy552, on 10 February 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Regardless of all this I think he was their third choice. Why wait 2 weeks after they interviewed him to make the hire? They waited until after the SuperBowl and National Signing Day, and Donatell got blocked and Grantham spurned them I believe. Not a lot of trust in this guy.

Honestly, over the last couple months the Eagles have made one thing clear. They wanted for whatever reason to interview nearly every available option for the coaching staff. In this case I dont know that waiting two weeks after the interview to hire the DC means they didn't want the guy. I think they wanted to interview Super Bowl coaches because if they did not they couldn't very well say they left no stone unturned could they. It really doesn't even matter if they even interviewed any of the SB coaches for the DC position. They left their options open until they were for sure not available. In reality that is exactly what Lurie said they were going to do from the beginning of this thing.

At the end of the day none of the coaches they would have liked to talk to were available and so they made the choice.

I am really not shocked by the Davis hire and in fact I am a bit excited to have a sure fire LB coach in here. He may improve or he may not as a DC. But the reality is I have not seen a great Eagle LB in a long time. With that in mind good luck B Davis. May you become a good DC for once and please leave us some decent LB's if the DC thing falls apart.

[nipples]

Here's what I don't get...

Davis had a decent year in 2009, the Cards D ranked 14th. Not great, but OK. The next season was definitely a rough one and they let him go. So Horton takes over... and the D ranks 17th both seasons. Yet Horton is lauded as this great DC, and for some reason people like to pretend Arizona had some great defense last year.

[Jordan629]

nipples, on 10 February 2013 - 02:17 PM, said:

Here's what I don't get...

Davis had a decent year in 2009, the Cards D ranked 14th. Not great, but OK. The next season was definitely a rough one and they let him go. So Horton takes over... and the D ranks 17th both seasons. Yet Horton is lauded as this great DC, and for some reason people like to pretend Arizona had some great defense last year.

I also don't get that. Horton is a good coach and all but are we missing something? Why do people think this dude is Buddy Ryan all of a sudden?

[WestPaEaglesNest]

Exodus, on 10 February 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Some of you guys truly lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Clearly the public education system is failing in this country. I'll try to dumb it down Barney-style for a few of you;

-Chip Kelly, lacking NFL experience and contacts, was unable to pull a big-name DC. The position was not attractive to prospective coordinators for a variety of reasons.
-This is ok, because Kelly will be given the time by the FO to develop his offense and adapt it (and by "it," I mean whatever offense he chooses to run) to the NFL
-If Kelly succeeds, and Billy Davis ends up being a good DC, then this is a win as it forms a competitive team.
-If Kelly succeeds, and Davis ends up sucking, they can fire him. Again, if Kelly succeeds, it means we have a good offense and he has NFL credibility, which makes the DC position attractive to potential hires, meaning we won't get a lousy retread again. Another win.
-If Kelly fails, it wouldn't matter who the DC was, because he'll be shown the door after 4 years anyway.

No, the public education system failed YOU!  What part of the word, HEAD COACH, do you not understand?  Read the bolded part of your post and tell me how that makes any sense.  Tell me a "big name" DC, that we missed out on.  Any big name DC's are either currently employed as DCs or are now head coaches.  You think the Eagles (CHIPS) success or failure is compartmentalized.  It is not.   You are probably one of those people always blaming the players and not Andy Reid all those years.  If a major part of the team fails, the head coach is the one who will and should take the blame.

[OldEagle1960]

Exodus, on 10 February 2013 - 12:33 PM, said:

Some of you guys truly lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Clearly the public education system is failing in this country. I'll try to dumb it down Barney-style for a few of you;

-Chip Kelly, lacking NFL experience and contacts, was unable to pull a big-name DC. The position was not attractive to prospective coordinators for a variety of reasons.
-This is ok, because Kelly will be given the time by the FO to develop his offense and adapt it (and by "it," I mean whatever offense he chooses to run) to the NFL
-If Kelly succeeds, and Billy Davis ends up being a good DC, then this is a win as it forms a competitive team.
-If Kelly succeeds, and Davis ends up sucking, they can fire him. Again, if Kelly succeeds, it means we have a good offense and he has NFL credibility, which makes the DC position attractive to potential hires, meaning we won't get a lousy retread again. Another win.
-If Kelly fails, it wouldn't matter who the DC was, because he'll be shown the door after 4 years anyway.

It's official, check your xanax prescription and don't mix with alcohol!!

[matchew88]

InfiniteSeriesN, on 10 February 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

reversion to the mean.

go look it up.

Just stop...the evolution of agents and the systems they are in are more complicated than your silly attempt to sound educated

[ShakeThatMonkey]

OldEagle1960, on 10 February 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

This is another silly post.  Jim Johnson was second choice.

Quoting Jim Mora - You think you know, but you don't and never will.

And that's cause Jim Mora aint telling nobody nothing!