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[Wallyhorse]

As most think Lurie is going to give Chip time to make the Eagles a contender, I don't there is any need for panicking even if the Eagles go 4-12.

In fact, there once was a coach now in the Hall of Fame who went 3-12-1 in his first season.  Name him!

That's why I would not panic.

[WeaponX225]

I agree with you, but I do want to see some positives, this last season was horrid & there was nothing really to like.

[jonnyeagles12]

WeaponX225, on 10 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I agree with you, but I do want to see some positives, this last season was horrid & there was nothing really to like.

This. Although record isn't that important I wanna see improvement in some areas. To be honest i'd still like us to get around 6ish wins but I realise we're rebuilding.

[DDD1952]

The TUNA...

[ndebergerac]

WeaponX225, on 10 February 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

I agree with you, but I do want to see some positives, this last season was horrid & there was nothing really to like.

Agreed. The record isn't that important. 4-12 last season was flattering given the level of performance. The right attitude is more important than the number of wins. (Though, we'd all like to see more than 4 for sure).

As long as the signs are encouraging, Kelly will be safe even with multiple seasons outside the play offs.

[GroundAttack]

Agreed...even with all the moves we're making, it's going to take a year or two for our personel and coaching staff to get on the same page and create great chemistry together.

[biglou22]

Sorry, but considering there are no GREAT teams in the NFL and the NFC east is likely the weakest division in the entire NFL, anything less then 8 wins is unexceptable.
Listen, if there were a few really really good teams and the NFC east was a top division then yes, 3-4-5 wins would be understandable. But sorry that is not close to the case.

[Sack that QB]

It's kind of a quandary. I want them to get another top 5 pick to get a franchise player and possibly QB, but I also want to see them improve in several areas so I know Chip Kelly is doing a good job. You may not be able to have both. In a league of parity, if you improve off a 4-12 year, you could battle for a WC spot.

[PhillyMG]

Wouldn't shock me if there are multiple threads whining about Kelly after the first drive of the 1st preseason game.

[ndebergerac]

biglou22, on 10 February 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

the NFC east is likely the weakest division in the entire NFL

And the Eagles are the weakest in that division.

[dmor]

Wallyhorse, on 10 February 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

As most think Lurie is going to give Chip time to make the Eagles a contender, I don't there is any need for panicking even if the Eagles go 4-12.

In fact, there once was a coach now in the Hall of Fame who went 3-12-1 in his first season.  Name him!

That's why I would not panic.

Parcells IIRC.  Vermeil went 4-10 his first year, Bill Walsh had a horrible first year with the Niners, Jimmy Johnson was 1-15 his first year.

[odin8888]

The worst this team will do next year is 8-8....

Last years team just fell apart.....

[James40]

If you are a Kelly fan you better hope he doesn't have any 4-12 seasons.  Nick Saban went 9-7 and 6-10 and he rolled.

I want the Chip Kelly experiment to work out, he seems like a bright guy and willing to put the work in, something most college coaches coming to the NFL have a hard time doing. But if this guy goes 4-12 next year and anything less than 8-8 the following year he'll probably be back in college.  USC will probably be canning Kiffin next year, if they do one of the first calls they make is to Kelly, same for Texas if they are looking for a new coach.  

The worst the Eagles should be next year is 8-8.  Once you start a culture of losing its a hard habit to break.  Just ask the Browns fans, Jaguar fans, Bills fans, and Chiefs fans.

[eagles nut]

Fans are fans. We could finish 7-9 and half the fanbase will want Kelly fired.

[AmericanEagle77]

biglou22, on 10 February 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but considering there are no GREAT teams in the NFL and the NFC east is likely the weakest division in the entire NFL, anything less then 8 wins is unexceptable.
Listen, if there were a few really really good teams and the NFC east was a top division then yes, 3-4-5 wins would be understandable. But sorry that is not close to the case.

...1 year away from a Super Bowl victory, the Giants headline the weakest division in the entire NFL. Who were beat by the Redskins and RG3. Wow. I don't know what league you're watching.

[Netherscourge]

I'm actually expecting 5-11.

They don't have the players for Kelly's system here yet. And the defense will probably take 2 years just to re-assemble for a 3-4.

Im not expecting much of anything for at least 2 years.

[greenpassion]

we will win atleast 11 games. when we start the season 4-0 i better not see any of you jockin us. you dont believe

[DawkinsOwnage03]

4-5 wins for sure.

[E v 2.0]

Ill say 8 wins.

The 2011 team wasn't any better than this one.

Last yr was just a disaster all the way around.

[PhillyMVP]

Hey, at least we could draft Johnny Football going 4-12.

[Wallyhorse]

DDD1952, on 10 February 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The TUNA...

Yep!

Point is, Parcells (and also Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson) had terrible first seasons as HC.  Parcells of course in year two got the Giants to 9-7 and a playoff win in LA over a Rams team that thumped them there in the regular season before losing to the eventual champion 49ers.

[buckets2541]

If we use 3-4 defense, 4-12
If we use 4-3 defense, 8-8

Unless we have Vick as our qb, which in both cases would end up 0-16

[eagle45]

biglou22, on 10 February 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Sorry, but considering there are no GREAT teams in the NFL and the NFC east is likely the weakest division in the entire NFL, anything less then 8 wins is unexceptable.
Listen, if there were a few really really good teams and the NFC east was a top division then yes, 3-4-5 wins would be understandable. But sorry that is not close to the case.

If Chip's system seems to maximize the talents of Maclin/Desean and if their rookie class performs admirably while the younger players with potential stay on track, I don't care if they win 2 games.  I could definitely see them winning 2-3 games over the first half of the season while they sort through all the changes.  That's fine by me.

I want 1-2 long term defensive probowl playmakers from this draft.  It don't care if it's a tall order.  Short term, I can be patient with Chip.

[biglou22]

AmericanEagle77, on 10 February 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

...1 year away from a Super Bowl victory, the Giants headline the weakest division in the entire NFL. Who were beat by the Redskins and RG3. Wow. I don't know what league you're watching.

Lmfao.
Because the Average at best Giants team somehow won the SB last year that makes the NFC East good ?? I will assume your just trying to be funny.
The Eagles stunk.
The Cowboys were a comedy of errors with a horrid OL, a terrible defense and a bunch of lost coaches.
The Redskins were just as bad as the Eagles.
And the Giants had a bad OL, an average running game to go along with their lousy defense and were basically a .500 team.

Please enlighten me with a division worse then the NFC east last year.

[InfiniteSeriesN]

what if they go 3-13 or 2-14 or 0-16?

[axe_man_trotter]

odin8888, on 10 February 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

The worst this team will do next year is 8-8....

Last years team just fell apart.....

  

You've got some high hopes, my man.

[EagleJoe8]

Wins and losses aren't that important to me next year. It's an obvious transition season. What I expect to see is effort and guys playing hard every game. I want to see improvement from week 1 to week 17. I want to see the offense cut the turnovers way down. Start with that, and the wins will come eventually. I'm not concerned with stats. I want the team to pass the eyeball test.

[Solomon]

PhillyMG, on 10 February 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Wouldn't shock me if there are multiple threads whining about Kelly after the first drive of the 1st preseason game.

OMG A run to the left? THE LEFT? We're doomed.

[odin8888]

axe_man_trotter, on 11 February 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

You've got some high hopes, my man.

Perhaps, a bit of a stretch, but the division is weak, could do better than .500 in the division, lets say 4 wins.
Tthen you have KC, Chitcago, Arizona, Oakland, Tampa Bay Some of the others are more difficult.

So I would think 8-8 is reasonable, but depends on how much they tear apart, or improve on what we have. I think they will improve on what we have and get the most out of who is here.

8-8 or even 9-7 is not unrealistic expectation.

[Baltus]

One part of me want them to be bad again next year so they can get another pick 5, mainly because I want a QB that can be a top 5 and in this draft, they say the QBs are not that great. Perhaps Foles will be this awesome QB...

But the reality is that this Eagles team has some very good talent, in Offence Shady and Brown are two RBs that can really dominate, our WRs are above average with flashes of greatness, the OLine with all the pieces back and  maybe some a new guy in can be good if not great.  The QB is the real ??.

In D we have some issues but also some talent so, it I don't think the record will be 4-12 again, I think they will improve that just by playing as a team.