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[BillTheButcher]

hextall4prez, on 19 February 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

what is all this upside and promise that foles showed? statistically he was a bum, the only arguement that can be made in his defense was that the whole team sucked but still, i dont understand all this false promise talk that foles allegedly showed.

read this and STFU...

How does Nick Foles stack up against other rookie quarterbacks throughout NFL history?

The numbers might surprise you.

Now that Foles’ season has ended one game prematurely, thanks to a hairline fracture in his right (throwing) hand, we can try to put his passing numbers in context.

Foles started six games and played in seven overall in relief of Michael Vick, and not only did he break most Eagles rookie passing records despite playing less than half a season, his numbers stack up pretty well against most rookies in NFL history.

The final numbers: Foles completed 161 of 265 pass attempts (60.8 percent) for 1,699 yards with six touchdowns and five interceptions.

What does it all mean? Welcome to Nick Foles By the Numbers!

• Of the 116 quarterbacks in NFL history who threw 200 or more passes as rookies, Foles’ 60.8 completion percentage is fifth-highest, behind only Ben Roethlisberger of the Steelers in 2004 (66.44 percent), Robert Griffin III of the Redskins (66.40 percent) so far this year, Russell Wilson of the Seahawks (63.4 percent) so far this year and Matt Ryan of the Falcons in 2008 (61.1 percent).

• With just five interceptions in 265 pass attempts, Foles averaged one interception every 53 pass attempts. That’s the second-best figure in NFL history by a rookie, behind only RG3’s one INT every 63 pass attempts. Griffin would probably have to be picked off at least three times by the Cowboys Sunday for Foles to pass him for the best interception ratio in NFL history by a rookie quarterback.

• Foles' average of 243 passing yards per game is third-highest in NFL history by a rookie, behind only another current rookie, Andrew Luck (279) and a rookie last year, Cam Newton of the Panthers (253).

• Foles' 60.8 completion percentage is fourth-best in Eagles history, again based on a minimum of 200 pass attempts. The only more accurate seasons were turned in by Donovan McNabb (64.0 percent in 2004, 61.5 percent in 2007) and Michael Vick (62.6 percent in 2010).

• Foles’ 1,699 passing yards are the second-most in NFL history by a quarterback who played seven or fewer games. Brian Griese threw for 1,803 in seven games for the Bears in 2007.

• Foles is only the third rookie QB in NFL history to throw for more than 1,600 yards with five or fewer interceptions. The others are Hall of Famer Otto Graham (1,834 yards, five interceptions) for the Browns in 1946 and, once again, RG3 so far this year.

• Foles is the first rookie in history with two games of 340 or more passing yards and a 62 percent completion percentage. Jeff Garcia had two such games for the 49ers in 1999, but because he had played in the CFL, he wasn’t technically a rookie.

• In just six starts, Foles had four games in which he completed at least 65 percent of his passes (on 20 or more attempts). Only eight rookies have had more such games in an entire season.

• Foles is the second rookie in history with two games of 340 or more passing yards within his first seven starts. Newton did it last year.

• Foles is only the 17th quarterback in NFL history to have a season with at least 250 pass attempts, a completion percentage of at least 60 percent and five or fewer interceptions.

• From 1933 through 2011, there were only five games in which a rookie quarterback had a passer rating of 85 in a game for the Eagles (with 20 or more attempts). One each by 1987 replacement QB Scott Tinsley, plus one by Koy Detmer, Donovan McNabb, Mike Boryla and John Reaves. This year alone, Foles had five such games in just seven appearances.

• Foles had three games in six starts with 45 or more pass attempts. Only Luck (six games) has had more games as a rookie in NFL history with 45 or more pass attempts.

• Foles’ 265 pass attempts are the most in NFL history by a quarterback playing seven or fewer games. The previous high was Griese’s 262 in 2007 and Steve Grogan’s 261 in 1989.

• Of the 116 rookie quarterbacks who’ve attempted 200 or more passes, Foles’ passer rating of 79.1 is 12th-highest and higher than 21 of 23 Hall of Famers (all but Dan Marino 96.0 and Y.A. Tittle).

TColeFan, on 17 February 2013 - 09:53 PM, said:

I'd take KC's 3rd for Foles.

3.1 for 3.25... it's not the best value.  But the kid didn't "wow"... he did play well, but well enough for a 2nd???

the kid did wow you just werent paying attention. he nearly beat the cowboys all by himself if the defense didnt give that game away.

[downundermike]

Foles is the man......deal with it haters.

[iluvdaeagles]

BillTheButcher, on 19 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

the kid did wow you just werent paying attention. he nearly beat the cowboys all by himself if the defense didnt give that game away.

beating an 8-8 cowboys team is wowing you?

if the offer is right foles is gone

you dont fit a slow foot QB in this system

and chip isnt changing with mindset he has on offense completely for nicholas

foles prob even knows it was be best career wise if he moves on elsewhere

[BillTheButcher]

TColeFan, on 19 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

If we head into training camp and our offense is clearly not designed for a pocket passer, then the NFL will know that Foles has no value to the Eagles and we won't get anything for him.

So the point is, if the best offer I can get is 2013's #33 pick instead of a 5th or 6th next year... you do it.  

The only one that knows what our offense is going to be though is CK... which is why I'm waiting for the draft BIG TIME!

the offense can switch up, what dont you people get about that> LOL were the 49ers playing a read option with alex smith? NO!!!  and how many damn times does chip have to say he will play to the players strength. i swear some of yall are slow in the head, or just want to continue spewing BS for the sake of spewing BS

[BillTheButcher]

iluvdaeagles, on 19 February 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

beating an 8-8 cowboys team is wowing you?

if the offer is right foles is gone

you dont fit a slow foot QB in this system

and chip isnt changing with mindset he has on offense completely for nicholas

foles prob even knows it was be best career wise if he moves on elsewhere

The cowboys are a divison rival, yes. And he played very well vs them in hbis 1st start in dalas on a primetime game.. lol.. "this system" will be designed for whoever the QB is... and if you have listened to chip his mind set doesnt change, he said he will design the offense toward the strengths of the players!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do i need to put more exclamation points?? my god.

chips offense is about TEMPO not foot speed. get a freaking clue taters

[Shutdown Sheldon]

I'm a big fan of Foles, but I think he's gone.

Take it, then use the pick on EJ Manuel.

[JonnyEagles69]

iluvdaeagles, on 19 February 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:

beating an 8-8 cowboys team is wowing you?

if the offer is right foles is gone

you dont fit a slow foot QB in this system

and chip isnt changing with mindset he has on offense completely for nicholas

foles prob even knows it was be best career wise if he moves on elsewhere

  


yet Vick boys love to say how he Destroyed the Giants and they suck as well

[iluvdaeagles]

JonnyEagles69, on 19 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

yet Vick boys love to say how he Destroyed the Giants and they suck as well

i have heard more people mention the win against the ravens....but maybe thats just me

[EagleJoe8]

judunno, on 19 February 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

How is this possible considering that Luck started an entire season?  Your logic does not compute.

Not his whole season, but awhile back, someone posted the numbers from both of their first 6 starts, and the numbers were comparable.

[cmart102]

seeing as we drafted him in the 3rd that'd be pretty stupid

[JonnyEagles69]

[Nivraga]

EagleJoe8, on 19 February 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Not his whole season, but awhile back, someone posted the numbers from both of their first 6 starts, and the numbers were comparable.

Luck
Foles
Cmp / ATT / Cmp% / Yds / Ypc / TD / INT / Rating
134 / 250 / 53.60 / 1674 / 6.70 / 7 / 6 / 73.9
161 / 265 / 60.80 / 1699 / 6.41 / 6 / 5  / 79.1

Now you can make the argument that Andrew Luck had the entire offseason - OTAs and Training Camp and Preseason as the starter. You could also argue that Foles had the same amount of time plus part of the season to learn his new offense. I think both arguments cancel each other out and the Stats speak for themselves. The other comparison to make would be each QBs respective teams - and I think it's clear to anyone who has done this comparison that Luck had more to work with. Foles was playing with a lot of 2nd and 3rd stringers.

[hukdonfoniks]

OH NO NOT STATS!!!  ANYTHING BUT STATS

[downsoufeagleluva]

Not in this QB market and with all the other needs we have.  

Besides I still want to see what Foles could do with a 1st team offense and a balanced playcalling mindset.

[iluvdaeagles]

downsoufeagleluva, on 21 February 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Not in this QB market and with all the other needs we have.  

Besides I still want to see what Foles could do with a 1st team offense and a balanced playcalling mindset.

i think thats the whole point....if kelly doesnt see foles as a long term fit in his offense then move him now

if you can get 2 4ths (1 this year 1 next year) then do it and fill holes elsewhere by moving a player not in the long term plan

[TColeFan]

BillTheButcher, on 19 February 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

the offense can switch up, what dont you people get about that> LOL were the 49ers playing a read option with alex smith? NO!!!  and how many damn times does chip have to say he will play to the players strength. i swear some of yall are slow in the head, or just want to continue spewing BS for the sake of spewing BS

Wow, who took a dump in your breakfast cereal this morning.

Sure CK can come in and claim that he's going to play to his teams strengths... but how many strengths does this team really have?  

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, CB, S, OLB are all positions that can use some upgrading.  This squad was 8-8 and 4-12 the last two years... it's not like we're knocking on the door of the playoffs.

And it has nothing to do with being slow... If we're not going with a typical pocket passer, why keep Foles on the roster?  

That doesn't mean I'm a vote in favor of Vick.  I'm just saying we need to get as much value out of the pieces on the team now that we aren't keeping.  It doesn't make sense stashing players that don't fit the game plan.

[JoePhila]

Prime, on 14 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

If you got a call from Andy Reid, & he offered the first pick in round 4 for Foles, would you do it?


yes/no?

why/why not?





Times yours.

no

[we_gotta_believe]

TColeFan, on 21 February 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

Wow, who took a dump in your breakfast cereal this morning.

Sure CK can come in and claim that he's going to play to his teams strengths... but how many strengths does this team really have?  

WR, OL, QB, TE, DL, CB, S, OLB are all positions that can use some upgrading.  This squad was 8-8 and 4-12 the last two years... it's not like we're knocking on the door of the playoffs.

And it has nothing to do with being slow... If we're not going with a typical pocket passer, why keep Foles on the roster?  

That doesn't mean I'm a vote in favor of Vick.  I'm just saying we need to get as much value out of the pieces on the team now that we aren't keeping.  It doesn't make sense stashing players that don't fit the game plan.

Maybe he meant that our strength was speed? Shady, DJ, Maclin, and even Celek (relatively speaking) are all pretty quick for their respective positions. From what I keep hearing, Chip was all about creating mismatches in his offensive philosophy. Maybe he thinks getting DJ out in space or having Shady run off tackle with 5 blockers on 4 defenders give him the best chance to gain positive yards?

I know everyone loves to focus in on the single position of the quarterback and I know that in other offenses the QB is the king of the castle, but maybe, just maybe, that single position isn't nearly as important in Chip's offense as everyone wants to assume.

[TColeFan]

we_gotta_believe, on 21 February 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Maybe he meant that our strength was speed? Shady, DJ, Maclin, and even Celek (relatively speaking) are all pretty quick for their respective positions. From what I keep hearing, Chip was all about creating mismatches in his offensive philosophy. Maybe he thinks getting DJ out in space or having Shady run off tackle with 5 blockers on 4 defenders give him the best chance to gain positive yards?

I know everyone loves to focus in on the single position of the quarterback and I know that in other offenses the QB is the king of the castle, but maybe, just maybe, that single position isn't nearly as important in Chip's offense as everyone wants to assume.

Of the 4 players you listed... Shady is the only strength.
Sure we've got speed, but I don't think it's enough.

DJax hasn't been the same since Dunta lit him up.  I just don't see him going over the middle the way he used to.
Celek is average as far as TEs go.  With guys like Gronk, Gonzalez, Graham and Eifert (coming in)... we could use an upgrade.
Maclin is fine as a #3, but he's too soft... Avant has more heart in his pinky than Maclin's got.

[we_gotta_believe]

TColeFan, on 21 February 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

Of the 4 players you listed... Shady is the only strength.
Sure we've got speed, but I don't think it's enough.

DJax hasn't been the same since Dunta lit him up.  I just don't see him going over the middle the way he used to.
Celek is average as far as TEs go.  With guys like Gronk, Gonzalez, Graham and Eifert (coming in)... we could use an upgrade.
Maclin is fine as a #3, but he's too soft... Avant has more heart in his pinky than Maclin's got.

You may not think it's a strength but maybe Chip does? My point is simply that sometimes fans tend to read too much into what a coach says without realizing that they have completely different frames of mind. After all, Chip turned down the Bucs last year, and the Browns this year, so there must've been something he saw with this team that he liked and wanted to work with.