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[PoconoDon]

Dave,

What do you think about the report on NFL.com?

http://www.nfl.com/n...-for-nick-foles


I wonder if the King of "I'm smarter than everybody" would do it...just to prove a point. That would be poetic justice.

[BDAWK_4EVER]

Andy wouldn't give up the first simply because it's the #4 pick, but it would be hilarious if he gave us their second. But I doubt it.

[PhillyPhan13]

It's just posturing; just trying to drive up the offer.  Plenty of time before the draft.

[KingxEagles]

thats just great.. our eagles front office will not trade any of our QBs and both of them will hinder us from getting our future elite QB in 2014.

[Runtherock]

3rd round pick who outperformed his draft slot. Why would they take anything less? Don't be silly.

[Rome]

Foles is a legit backup QB if nothing else.  He's a better option than anyone else they have on the roster including the dog killer, so trading him away without getting a significant piece in return would be stupid.  That said, he's not worth a 1 or a 2 at this point, so it's moot.

[E v 2.0]

Rome, on 16 February 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Foles is a legit backup QB if nothing else.  He's a better option than anyone else they have on the roster including the dog killer, so trading him away without getting a significant piece in return would be stupid.  That said, he's not worth a 1 or a 2 at this point, so it's moot.

This

[Runtherock]

Ridiculous, he was a 3rd round pick, he easily played his way into a 2nd rounder.

[mjkvol]

BDAWK_4EVER, on 15 February 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

Andy wouldn't give up the first simply because it's the #4 pick, but it would be hilarious if he gave us their second. But I doubt it.

I'd love it if the Eagles could fleece Reid for his 2014 1st rounder.

I wouldn't take anything less than a high #2 for Foles - there are a lot of teams that need QB's, and I'd bet that his tape from last year has been studied carefully in a few places.

[PoconoDon]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

I'd love it if the Eagles could fleece Reid for his 2014 1st rounder.

I wouldn't take anything less than a high #2 for Foles - there are a lot of teams that need QB's, and I'd bet that his tape from last year has been studied carefully in a few places.

Amen to that....it would be, in my mind, appropriate compensation for the Daniel Teo Nesheim fiasco that that two drafts later, ultimately cost the Eagles a chance at Andrew Luck.

[Highboy]

Rome, on 16 February 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Foles is a legit backup QB if nothing else.  He's a better option than anyone else they have on the roster including the dog killer, so trading him away without getting a significant piece in return would be stupid.  That said, he's not worth a 1 or a 2 at this point, so it's moot.

Completely agree.

[mjkvol]

PoconoDon, on 16 February 2013 - 10:48 AM, said:

Amen to that....it would be, in my mind, appropriate compensation for the Daniel Teo Nesheim fiasco that that two drafts later, ultimately cost the Eagles a chance at Andrew Luck.

Maybe so, but it wouldn't even remotely be compensation for the last few years he spent here wrecking the franchise.

[PoconoDon]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

Maybe so, but it wouldn't even remotely be compensation for the last few years he spent here wrecking the franchise.

  True. That would require a long protracted payment plan...but I like the thought of a down payment in the short term.

[mav81]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 10:41 AM, said:

I'd love it if the Eagles could fleece Reid for his 2014 1st rounder.

I wouldn't take anything less than a high #2 for Foles - there are a lot of teams that need QB's, and I'd bet that his tape from last year has been studied carefully in a few places.

Foles did nothing to prove worthy of that high of a pick.

[Runtherock]

mav81, on 16 February 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Foles did nothing to prove worthy of that high of a pick.

He was a 3rd round pick one year ago, he showed promise. In a league with a shortage of good QBs he'll get a 2nd easy. You folks act like he was a undrafted walk on.

[mav81]

Runtherock, on 16 February 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

He was a 3rd round pick one year ago, he showed promise. In a league with a shortage of good QBs he'll get a 2nd easy. You folks act like he was a undrafted walk on.

I find that logic flawed. Yes, the current QB crop is underwhelming, but they still have potential. Foles has tape, and I'm sorry I saw nothing other than 1-6. His best quality seems to be he was less awful than Vick. Nobody is going to trade a 3 for that.

[mjkvol]

mav81, on 16 February 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

I find that logic flawed. Yes, the current QB crop is underwhelming, but they still have potential. Foles has tape, and I'm sorry I saw nothing other than 1-6. His best quality seems to be he was less awful than Vick. Nobody is going to trade a 3 for that.

You saw 1-6 with no OL, and a broken down team that had quit on a coach who was five years past his expiration date.

Given all that, isn't the W/L just a bit irrelevant in this case?

[Highboy]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

You saw 1-6 with no OL, and a broken down team that had quit on a coach who was five years past his expiration date.

Given all that, isn't the W/L just a bit irrelevant in this case?

I'm sorry if I find it disgusting that people think they can adequately judge Foles after only 7 games under those circumstances yet you still here people whine about Vick "if only...." after over a decade in the game. Most who are objective can see that while Foles remains a question mark, he showed a lot more good than bad last year. The wins/losses are on the collective team, which we all know wasn't very good. Foles very well may never be more than a backup, but he earned a legitimate shot to at least find out.

[mav81]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

You saw 1-6 with no OL, and a broken down team that had quit on a coach who was five years past his expiration date.

Given all that, isn't the W/L just a bit irrelevant in this case?

Not when you are going to trade a 2 or 1. If you were a fan, you might say maybe. If you were a GM, you would move right along.

Highboy, on 16 February 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'm sorry if I find it disgusting that people think they can adequately judge Foles after only 7 games under those circumstances yet you still here people whine about Vick "if only...." after over a decade in the game. Most who are objective can see that while Foles remains a question mark, he showed a lot more good than bad last year. The wins/losses are on the collective team, which we all know wasn't very good. Foles very well may never be more than a backup, but he earned a legitimate shot to at least find out.

We can argue whether or not Foles has earned a shot after 7 games, but GM's have more tape on him than any other QB coming out this year. They aren't going to trade a 1 or 2 for that.

[mjkvol]

mav81, on 16 February 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Not when you are going to trade a 2 or 1. If you were a fan, you might say maybe. If you were a GM, you would move right along.

I might not offer a 1 or 2, but the Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler is just arrogant enough to do something like that to show how much more he knows than anyone else.     After all, that is his M.O.

[mav81]

mjkvol, on 16 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

I might not offer a 1 or 2, but the Grand High Exalted Mystic Ruler is just arrogant enough to do something like that to show how much more he knows than anyone else.     After all, that is his M.O.

lol...I can't see Him even being that stupid

[Runtherock]

mav81, on 16 February 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

I find that logic flawed. Yes, the current QB crop is underwhelming, but they still have potential. Foles has tape, and I'm sorry I saw nothing other than 1-6. His best quality seems to be he was less awful than Vick. Nobody is going to trade a 3 for that.

The problem then is you undervalue his performance last year. I assure you the league will see him worthy of a 2nd.

[james1345]

I'm against trading Foles. Does he need to improve on some things? Yes. We need to see how he develops before we just go ahead and decide to give up on him. I want everyone to make their voice be heard to keep Foles. The Eagle fans are the ones who pour money into this team.

[sameoldsameold]

Rome, on 16 February 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Foles is a legit backup QB if nothing else.  He's a better option than anyone else they have on the roster including the dog killer, so trading him away without getting a significant piece in return would be stupid.  That said, he's not worth a 1 or a 2 at this point, so it's moot.

was listening to Ray Dittinger on WiP this morn, someone who I respect for his football mind, and he was laughing at Kelly's criteria  for a quarterback, because quick decision making is obviously not one of Vick's strong points nor is his history of giving the ball away good for a system Kelly wants to implement. Maybe foles won't be here in Philly, but Mike certainly won't be here either, and Dixon doesn't look like a good bet to finish the season either. I hope Kelly lives up to his comments about not forcing his system on the league and adapting to the cards he gets handed with, because we now have 2 historically injury prone quarterbacks in Dixon and Vick, so unless he gets another runner in here, Kelly's offense run with a quick quarterback already seems to be in an inevitable compromise.

[Runtherock]

sameoldsameold, on 16 February 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

was listening to Ray Dittinger on WiP this morn, someone who I respect for his football mind, and he was laughing at Kelly's criteria  for a quarterback, because quick decision making is obviously not one of Vick's strong points nor is his history of giving the ball away good for a system Kelly wants to implement. Maybe foles won't be here in Philly, but Mike certainly won't be here either, and Dixon doesn't look like a good bet to finish the season either. I hope Kelly lives up to his comments about not forcing his system on the league and adapting to the cards he gets handed with, because we now have 2 historically injury prone quarterbacks in Dixon and Vick, so unless he gets another runner in here, Kelly's offense run with a quick quarterback already seems to be in an inevitable compromise.

I have listened to RayDiddy a long time but he has become your prototypical bitter old man. The game has passed him by, he resists anything new or different. Hard to listen to him anymore.

[Highboy]

mav81, on 16 February 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Not when you are going to trade a 2 or 1. If you were a fan, you might say maybe. If you were a GM, you would move right along.


We can argue whether or not Foles has earned a shot after 7 games, but GM's have more tape on him than any other QB coming out this year. They aren't going to trade a 1 or 2 for that.

Not saying they would or should. But the Eagles shouldn't trade him otherwise when we have so little options and with the promise he's shown. We risk nothing starting him with everything to gain. If he turns out great, he saves us from having to draft one next year and we our guy. If he fails, there is zero downside.

[KOJO]

Runtherock, on 16 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

I have listened to RayDiddy a long time but he has become your prototypical bitter old man. The game has passed him by, he resists anything new or different. Hard to listen to him anymore.

He's an excellent football historian. For anything more than that he's basically the same as all the other media hacks.

[mjkvol]

Runtherock, on 16 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

I have listened to RayDiddy a long time but he has become your prototypical bitter old man. The game has passed him by, he resists anything new or different. Hard to listen to him anymore.

Ray Didinger is a rarity these days in the media in that he isn't a vile, self promoting vulture with an agenda and an axe to grind.     His opinions may not exactly be cutting edge anymore, but I hardly find him "bitter", and he actually seems to be a decent human being.        I'll take a dozen Ray Diddy's any day over the self aggrandizing scum that is the alternative.

[mav81]

Runtherock, on 16 February 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

The problem then is you undervalue his performance last year. I assure you the league will see him worthy of a 2nd.

That's a strong endorsement. We will see.

[mav81]

Highboy, on 16 February 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

Not saying they would or should. But the Eagles shouldn't trade him otherwise when we have so little options and with the promise he's shown. We risk nothing starting him with everything to gain. If he turns out great, he saves us from having to draft one next year and we our guy. If he fails, there is zero downside.

I'm sorry not to share your enthusiasm, but I just didn't see that promise. Besides, if Kelly is going to fail, he's going to go down firing his own gun, not a poor fit version that someone else bought.

Kelly's "guy" isn't on the roster yet.