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[eagle8]

Im starting to believe he may be the next dominant olb in the league !

[Jordan629]

We'll see. He seems to have all of the physical tools to be a dominant pass rusher. But his run stopping ability is where he lacks talent.

He's a converted TE, so he's already been a project in college. At the NFL level he'll be a project too, it's just the fact that he's also graded as a top 15 pick.

[Robbieb77]

why?

[Fitz2k2]

he needs to put on weight and hes raw to.When you first seem him you would never guess he is a linebacker ,but before that he was a tight end.If he can put on some weight and maybe be like terrell suggs from 2yrs ago then I would be a happy camper.

[Lloyd]

[Swifty]

Wanted Jordan since before Kelly became the coach. Love his upside in a year or so.

[alasi]

Why spend #4 on a project?

[Swifty]

alasi, on 21 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Why spend #4 on a project?

Who said anything about spending the 4th pick on him?

[eagle8]

Jpp was a project as well !

[The Eagles win!]

alasi, on 21 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Why spend #4 on a project?

Because there aren't too many non projects in this draft.  We picked the wrong year to suck.  Worst top 5 talent in years - maybe even over a decade.  There are basically two non projects who also have the God given athleticism to dominate: Joeckell and Star.  Neither are likely to be available when we pick.  So you can make an incredible reach for the top OG Warmack (who also isn't a great fit in our scheme), you can take a guy like Milliner who has a very high floor but a low ceiling, or you can take a chance on a guy like Jordan, Mingo, or Werner who have the physical talent to be all-pro but also need to be coached up.

I'll take Jordan - the best athlete in the draft - because he can be special.  He's the type of talent who can completely change your defense if he develops right.  He's a 6'7" 245 former WR who has played two years of defense.  He's so athletic that he was lined up man to man against WRs at times.  So in a best case situation, you're talking about a guy who fills out to be 6'7" 260 pounds, with the strength to anchor vs the run, but the fluidity and speed to man up against the best TEs in the NFL to go along a blinding first step off the edge as a pass rusher.  Plus with that length and jumping ability, he's going to really disrupt passing lanes.  We haven't had a guy who could do that in a long time, but it's critically important.  That's how you end up with INTs... QBs put to much under the ball and it sails to the safety, or they don't and it gets tipped at the line to a LB.

He could almost be like a Dawkins at LB - a do everything really well kind of player that you can move around and get creative with.  On one play he is manning up Whitten.  On the next he sets the edge vs the run.  On 3rd down he blitzes... or does he?

Of course, that's the best case scenario with him.  He could be a total flop.  But then, so could any player.  At least this kid has a chance to be great.  Oh, and let's not pretend like he sucks or something.  He was a 2 time all pac 10 selection.  So it's not like he can't play.

[TheGodfather]

Explain.

[downundermike]

It is pretty self explanatory.  Who would you pick #1 in this draft ??

[BirdGang45]

Dion Jordan, yessir.

[downundermike]

BirdGang45, on 21 February 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Dion Jordan, yessir.

If we could move down and get an extra second and Dion Jordan I could handle it.  Don't think I would pick him at 4.

Dion Jordan and Xavier Rhodes with the first two picks would go along way to fixing the defense.

[EagleDomination]

alasi, on 21 February 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Why spend #4 on a project?

Ever hear of trading back?


I too have recently become really intrigued with Dion Jordan. Cant help but hope Roseman and Gamble take a long hard look at him.

[BirdGang45]

downundermike, on 21 February 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

If we could move down and get an extra second and Dion Jordan I could handle it.  Don't think I would pick him at 4.

Dion Jordan and Xavier Rhodes with the first two picks would go along way to fixing the defense.

Yea i would take Rhodes Jordan and Woahmack at 4. Thats just me.

But i would go on a rager if we got both Jordan and Rhodes.

[downsoufeagleluva]

If Chip will use him as a Tight End too, Im sold.

eagle8, on 21 February 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Im starting to believe he may be the next dominant olb in the league !

[RastaPasta]

So would he play the SAM spot in the 4-3 under? Or the predator?

[Innocence096]

BirdGang45, on 21 February 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Yea i would take Rhodes Jordan and Woahmack at 4. Thats just me.

it probably is. That is awfully high for a player that isn't even a consensus first round pick.

and Dion Jordan might be one of the best athletes in the draft but he is very, very raw and lacked production.

[WaitingForSomeday]

RastaPasta, on 21 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

So would he play the SAM spot in the 4-3 under? Or the predator?

I would put him at SAM, and have Cole play the predator.

[BirdGang45]

Innocence096, on 21 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

it probably is. That is awfully high for a player that isn't even a consensus first round pick.

and Dion Jordan might be one of the best athletes in the draft but he is very, very raw and lacked production.

Thats why i said its just me.

But i get everything youre saying.

[AmericanEagle77]

downsoufeagleluva, on 21 February 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

If Chip will use him as a Tight End too, Im sold.

That's terrifying. Seriously. That's insane. If Star's gone, I'd probably try and get this guy.

However I want a safety too. Forget corner, get a vet in FA that's average or above-average, and have him compete with Marsh in Nnamdi's spot, and keep DRC.

Zavier Gooden, wonder what he'll run, honestly, I wonder if he'll stay at LB in the NFL, kinda small really.

Xavier Rhodes, hope he'll stay at CB.

[Jordan629]

I'd feel weird getting a jersey with my first name on the back

[James40]

Innocence096, on 21 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

it probably is. That is awfully high for a player that isn't even a consensus first round pick.

and Dion Jordan might be one of the best athletes in the draft but he is very, very raw and lacked production.

He seems like Jon Harris or Mike Mamula, the Eagles shouldn't even consider him until the 2nd round.

[downundermike]

James40, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 PM, said:

He seems like Jon Harris or Mike Mamula, the Eagles shouldn't even consider him until the 2nd round.

every mock I have looked at has him going top 15

[eagle45]

The Eagles win!, on 21 February 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Because there aren't too many non projects in this draft.  We picked the wrong year to suck.  Worst top 5 talent in years - maybe even over a decade.  There are basically two non projects who also have the God given athleticism to dominate: Joeckell and Star.  Neither are likely to be available when we pick.  So you can make an incredible reach for the top OG Warmack (who also isn't a great fit in our scheme), you can take a guy like Milliner who has a very high floor but a low ceiling, or you can take a chance on a guy like Jordan, Mingo, or Werner who have the physical talent to be all-pro but also need to be coached up.

Awesome post.  I've been too busy with work to catch up on the film of the big 3-4 OLB prospects, but I already know this otherwise mediocre draft is fairly flush with freak athlete pass rushers in the 6'5" 240lb range.  I think it would be a big mistake not to nab one.  

I'm not up to date enough to convince myself who the right one is though.  Mingo and Jordan are the ones that interest me the most.  Werner/Moore/Jones/Ansah all seem to have a ton of potential as well.  We all want the next Aldon Smith/Ware/Von Miller.  I don't want to fall in love with a 40 and settle for the next Manny Lawson instead, but I'm still extremely interested to see how all these guys run and jump.

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downundermike, on 21 February 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

If we could move down and get an extra second and Dion Jordan I could handle it.  Don't think I would pick him at 4.

Dion Jordan and Xavier Rhodes with the first two picks would go along way to fixing the defense.

EagleDomination, on 21 February 2013 - 06:29 PM, said:

Ever hear of trading back?


I too have recently become really intrigued with Dion Jordan. Cant help but hope Roseman and Gamble take a long hard look at him.

You know, I keep hearing trade back and get Jordan (usually him, but sometimes a guy like Mingo)...

First of all, why is some other team so eager to trade up?  I mean, we don't want to be drafting at #4, so why would they?  Maybe some team falls in love with Geno Smith as a franchise QB, but I doubt it.  I haven't heard of a single person who loves him.  Heck, I've heard more passionate positive opinions towards 2nd round QBs in other drafts.

Second, what makes you so sure you can trade down 6-10 spots and still get a player like Jordan.  In a weak draft for top end talent, this kid is special.  I really don't think he drops much farther than #7 or so.  I mean, this is a SPECIAL talent.  He's not just another athletic pass rusher.  He has freakish ability... he can do things athletically that the typical athletic pass rusher can't, like cover college WRs 1v1 in man coverage.

So in a weak draft, I don't see a guy with that kind of talent making it too far out of the top 5.  If we want him, I think we have to take him at #4.  Of course, if we're offered a trade and you see Jordan and a couple other guys as all having equal talent, that's a different story.

RastaPasta, on 21 February 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

So would he play the SAM spot in the 4-3 under? Or the predator?

I think part of the appeal with him is you would move him around.  He's a multidimensional talent.  Dawkins was a FS, but we didn't use him like a FS... we would bring him down in the box a lot, blitz him, put him out wide against a WR, put him at LB, etc.

I think you do the same thing with Jordan.  You move him around and dictate to the offense where they have to deal with him.

eagle45, on 22 February 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Awesome post.  I've been too busy with work to catch up on the film of the big 3-4 OLB prospects, but I already know this otherwise mediocre draft is fairly flush with freak athlete pass rushers in the 6'5" 240lb range.  I think it would be a big mistake not to nab one.  

I'm not up to date enough to convince myself who the right one is though.  Mingo and Jordan are the ones that interest me the most.  Werner/Moore/Jones/Ansah all seem to have a ton of potential as well.  We all want the next Aldon Smith/Ware/Von Miller.  I don't want to fall in love with a 40 and settle for the next Manny Lawson instead, but I'm still extremely interested to see how all these guys run and jump.

Thanks.  Like you, I'm not going to pretend I know for certain this guy is going to be great and another guy isn't.  What I know is that there are a couple of really talented 3-4 prospects with unique abilities.  Mingo seems to be the best pure pass rusher as of now.  Werner seems like a Justin Smith type who can rush the passer as a 3-4 DE, while still occupying blockers and playing good run defense.  Jordan seems like an extreme case of boom or bust; he's got the physical talent to be a transcendent type of player.  Or, like you mentioned, he could be a Manny Lawson who never lives up to the potential as a pass rusher and is merely a solid run stopper.

In another draft class I wouldn't use the #4 on Jordan, but I really don't see a more compelling option.  The flaws at #4 are much greater than normal.  So I say go with the guy who can be great.  I'm not a scout, so I won't say that's definitely Jordan.  I'm going on the few games I've seen, some highlights, an what other people who know more than I do seem to think.  If he actually is as athletic and versatile as they say, that's the risk I want to take.

[downundermike]

I think teams will be looking to move up to 4 for Fisher if Joeckel goes 1.

[MrPhilPhil]

This is my guy for our first pick (yes @ 4).  We never get a chance at the 6'7" guys.  We can get regular sized guys later in the draft.

[BillTheButcher]

eagle8, on 21 February 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Jpp was a project as well !

jpp wasnt 240 pounds lol