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[Isaiah4031]

I know this hasn't happened yet but if it does I will really be confused. I think we all agreed when the season ended that this team needed to be dismantled. I mean it was more the obvious this team was in steady decline since 2009. Now it appears that the powers that be feel that this team just needs to be tweaked to get into the tournament as they say. All I can say if Chip kelly can get the current dogs on this roster to play playoff caliber football it will be a huge indictment on how much Andy Reid regressed towards the end of his regime. I don't see it happening though without major changes though.

[KOJO]

I've been largely happy with how things have gone this offseason, but I agree, if they end up keeping Nnamdi I will not be happy about it in the least. To be honest I'm not sure why he hasn't already been cut. Can't play anymore, bad attitude, way overpaid, had quit by the end of last season, & ruffled feathers in the locker room. I have no idea why they would want to keep a guy like that around for the new era.

Despite most people's objections I understood the Vick thing, but I sincerely hope this is not signaling a pattern of hanging onto the trash that has been rotting this team for the last few years. I was hopeful most of that was set to follow Reid's a** right out the door. This roster needs to be flushed.

[Highboy]

KOJO, on 22 February 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

I've been largely happy with how things have gone this offseason, but I agree, if they end up keeping Nnamdi I will not be happy about it in the least. To be honest I'm not sure why he hasn't already been cut. Can't play anymore, bad attitude, way overpaid, had quit by the end of last season, & ruffled feathers in the locker room. I have no idea why they would want to keep a guy like that around for the new era.

Despite most people's objections I understood the Vick thing, but I sincerely hope this is not signaling a pattern of hanging onto the trash that has been rotting this team for the last few years. I was hopeful most of that was set to follow Reid's a** right out the door. This roster needs to be flushed.

My understanding of the cap rules though is that you have to spend 89% of your cap. If we restructure all these players and/or cut them what they hell are we suppose to spend all that cap on? There aren't bank breaking free agents to be had (and I don't want them anyways) and no draft pick is going to command a heluva lot of cap space under the new rookie pay scale. Reid really Fed us.

[PoconoDon]

Restructuring Nnamdi, much like Vick, makes him a trade-able commodity. I will simply hope that is the reason for such a move.

To me, every veteran over 30 represents trade bait, and if there was any way to get even marginal value for them, as opposed to outright releases, I would do whatever it takes to accomplish that without hesitation, including restructuring contracts to make them more appealing to other teams.

[PoconoDon]

Highboy, on 22 February 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

My understanding of the cap rules though is that you have to spend 89% of your cap. If we restructure all these players and/or cut them what they hell are we suppose to spend all that cap on? There aren't bank breaking free agents to be had (and I don't want them anyways) and no draft pick is going to command a heluva lot of cap space under the new rookie pay scale. Reid really Fed us.

They can, and have in the past, moved future money into the current year to satisfy the spending requirement...it also frees up even more in the future, so a spending spree then, if they choose to do it, doesn't cripple them, I think it's smart cap management.

[james1345]

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[mav81]

PoconoDon, on 22 February 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

Restructuring Nnamdi, much like Vick, makes him a trade-able commodity. I will simply hope that is the reason for such a move.

To me, every veteran over 30 represents trade bait, and if there was any way to get even marginal value for them, as opposed to outright releases, I would do whatever it takes to accomplish that without hesitation, including restructuring contracts to make them more appealing to other teams.

Nnamdi is even less tradable than Vick. Nobody want either one of them.

[PoconoDon]

mav81, on 22 February 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Nnamdi is even less tradable than Vick. Nobody want either one of them.

Maybe that's true...i wouldn't be surprised if so, but if the cost is say a 6th rounder each, it may be a possibility for a team that needs a short term marketing boost, and there's a better chance of getting something if they have a cap friendly contract, than if they don't. No guarantee they can be moved, but restructuring maximizes the chances....whatever they may be.

[eaglepride]

They will  probably keep him if he restructures and ask him to go back to playing safety.

[KOJO]

PoconoDon, on 22 February 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Maybe that's true...i wouldn't be surprised if so, but if the cost is say a 6th rounder each, it may be a possibility for a team that needs a short term marketing boost, and there's a better chance of getting something if they have a cap friendly contract, than if they don't. No guarantee they can be moved, but restructuring maximizes the chances....whatever they may be.

I agree with Mav. I can't see anyone giving up any kind of pick for Asomugha.

eaglepride, on 22 February 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

They will  probably keep him if he restructures and ask him to go back to playing safety.

He can't play safety. Not everyone can do what Charles Woodson did.

[Runtherock]

If he is restructures its because Kelly wants to see him live in a uniform before making a decision, totally reasonable to me. I'd cut him and I think Chip ultimately will too.

[mjkvol]

I want him out of here, but the reality is that you can't replace every spot in one year - Reid left this place in such hideous shape that it will be a 2-3 year deal any way you cut it.        We're not competing in 2013 either way, so if we replace one CB spot this year while living with Asomugha, it's not the worst thing in the world.

One thing that you can bet on is that any of these Reid deadbeats that is kept around this year will be towing a completely different line.      I believe the leash on guys like Asomugha will be mighty short, and none of the BS that Reid overlooked will be tolerated for a second.

[PoconoDon]

KOJO, on 22 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

I agree with Mav. I can't see anyone giving up any kind of pick for Asomugha.



He can't play safety. Not everyone can do what Charles Woodson did.

KOJO,

  You guys may be right, and again, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it turns out. I just think that restructuring his deal makes sense in every way. he played poorly and doesn't warrant 14 M. He's on the downside of his career so he doesn't project to be worth that money in the future. He might have a little trade value...or not....and as MJ posted, the Eagles can't cut everybody out of the gate, so maybe he fits for one more year....or plays himself into getting cut, we'll see.

As for safety, no he can't play that position...he's not nearly physical enough to perform well, or to hold up there, IMO.

In my perfect fantasy world, the Eagles move both Vick and Nnamdi for late round picks (yeah, I know it's a terribly long shot), and find a good and more traditional CB in round 2 or 3 of the draft. While I know Joeckel makes sense if he's there, I'd prefer a top D-lineman at #4 overall.....if the don't trade back......which they may.

[mjkvol]

PoconoDon, on 23 February 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

In my perfect fantasy world, the Eagles move both Vick and Nnamdi for late round picks (yeah, I know it's a terribly long shot), and find a good and more traditional CB in round 2 or 3 of the draft. While I know Joeckel makes sense if he's there, I'd prefer a top D-lineman at #4 overall.....if the don't trade back......which they may.

Pocono, the more I think about it, the more I want to trade back.      From all accounts, this draft is deep but absolutely not top heavy, and if we can trade back and pick in the teens while adding a couple more picks in the first three rounds it's a win-win.     We'll get a starting caliber player, and have a shot at a couple more than we would have.

I appreciate the view Highboy has of wanting that stud player, but I see no reason why a well chosen pick at #15 couldn't have similar results.        And now we have FO personnel we can actually trust not to make an idiotic reach, like you know who.

[patpikunas]

mjkvol, on 23 February 2013 - 09:50 AM, said:

Pocono, the more I think about it, the more I want to trade back.   From all accounts, this draft is deep but absolutely not top heavy, and if we can trade back and pick in the teens while adding a couple more picks in the first three rounds it's a win-win. We'll get a starting caliber player, and have a shot at a couple more than we would have.

I appreciate the view Highboy has of wanting that stud player, but I see no reason why a well chosen pick at #15 couldn't have similar results. And now we have FO personnel we can actually trust not to make an idiotic reach, like you know who.

Tradeback would be probably the best option if Joeckel is gone.... but honestly, are they going to find a team(s) looking to move up to 4th in this draft?

I don't see a ton of sure fire instant impact players that teams will be looking to move into the top 5 for.... at least not players that team would be willing to give up a lot for.

Obviously value is in the eye of the beholder but I am just not seeing big instant impact in the top of the draft at this point

[Runtherock]

mjkvol, on 23 February 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

I want him out of here, but the reality is that you can't replace every spot in one year....

Maybe not, but you have to change the culture in year one and that means cutting loose the quitters and dogs. That's Nnamdi.

[mjkvol]

Runtherock, on 23 February 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

Maybe not, but you have to change the culture in year one and that means cutting loose the quitters and dogs. That's Nnamdi.

You might achieve the same thing in a transition year where we aren't winning anything if he accepts a major pay cut in an effort to put himself in a position to cash in next year.    There obviously has to be a zero tolerance policy, which I can't imagine there wouldn't be.

Having said that, my preference is that he's gone, just as it was with Vick.    I have no doubt that both will be history anyway in 2014, which is what I'm more concerned with.

[mjkvol]

patpikunas, on 23 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Tradeback would be probably the best option if Joeckel is gone.... but honestly, are they going to find a team(s) looking to move up to 4th in this draft?

I don't see a ton of sure fire instant impact players that teams will be looking to move into the top 5 for.... at least not players that team would be willing to give up a lot for.

Obviously value is in the eye of the beholder but I am just not seeing big instant impact in the top of the draft at this point

I would agree, which is why I would trade back if someone else fell in love with a player, which isn't out of the question.

And while everyone seems set on Joeckel, I'd still prefer to get a defensive playmaker like Jordan in the 1st.   But I'll be satisfied with whoever they get, although regardless of how much he's raved about, I'd still be a little bit upset if they took Warmack.   I can't wrap my mind around taking a guard at #4 - I don't care how good he is. That is so Andy Reid it's scary.

[patpikunas]

mjkvol, on 23 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I would agree, which is why I would trade back if someone else fell in love with someone, which isn't out of the question.

And while everyone seems set on Joeckel, I'd still prefer to get a defensive playmaker like Jordan in the 1st.   But I'll be satisfied with whoever they get, although regardless of how much he's raved about, I'd still be a little bit upset if they took Warmack.   I can't wrap my mind around taking a guard at #4 - I don't care how good he is. That is so Andy Reid it's scary.

I definitely dont want a guard in round 1.... agree 100%

[eaglepride]

KOJO, on 22 February 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

I agree with Mav. I can't see anyone giving up any kind of pick for Asomugha.



He can't play safety. Not everyone can do what Charles Woodson did.

Played safety in college

PoconoDon, on 23 February 2013 - 08:51 AM, said:

KOJO,

  You guys may be right, and again, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it turns out. I just think that restructuring his deal makes sense in every way. he played poorly and doesn't warrant 14 M. He's on the downside of his career so he doesn't project to be worth that money in the future. He might have a little trade value...or not....and as MJ posted, the Eagles can't cut everybody out of the gate, so maybe he fits for one more year....or plays himself into getting cut, we'll see.

As for safety, no he can't play that position...he's not nearly physical enough to perform well, or to hold up there, IMO.

In my perfect fantasy world, the Eagles move both Vick and Nnamdi for late round picks (yeah, I know it's a terribly long shot), and find a good and more traditional CB in round 2 or 3 of the draft. While I know Joeckel makes sense if he's there, I'd prefer a top D-lineman at #4 overall.....if the don't trade back......which they may.

Do you think we had a physical safety here since Dawk left town?

[Isaiah4031]

This argument that you cannot turnover the roster in one year is bogus. Didn't the Colts just do that last year? If they team restructures Asomugha to me this would indicate that Roseman is trying to prove his personnel moves the last few years were not the problem that it was the coaching staff. Why else would anyone want 3/4 of these players around. To me there are only 12-20 players from the last two years that should stick around.

[Runtherock]

Isaiah4031, on 23 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

This argument that you cannot turnover the roster in one year is bogus. Didn't the Colts just do that last year? If they team restructures Asomugha to me this would indicate that Roseman is trying to prove his personnel moves the last few years were not the problem that it was the coaching staff. Why else would anyone want 3/4 of these players around. To me there are only 12-20 players from the last two years that should stick around.

Maybe Chip would like to meet them and see them play before he cuts them. Ya think?

[mjkvol]

Isaiah4031, on 23 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

This argument that you cannot turnover the roster in one year is bogus. Didn't the Colts just do that last year? If they team restructures Asomugha to me this would indicate that Roseman is trying to prove his personnel moves the last few years were not the problem that it was the coaching staff. Why else would anyone want 3/4 of these players around. To me there are only 12-20 players from the last two years that should stick around.

We're talking about one-year restructures.       Neither Vick or Asomugha will be here in 2014, which is what matters.        We're paying him 4 mil if we cut him, so keeping him for one year at a greatly reduced rate and with a tight leash makes sense.       And there's always the outside chance that he is moved for a late pick.

[Runtherock]

mjkvol, on 23 February 2013 - 10:38 AM, said:

  

Having said that, my preference is that he's gone, just as it was with Vick.    I have no doubt that both will be history anyway in 2014, which is what I'm more concerned with.

Agreed.

[badmeetsevil]

Do they save more if they restructure him over just flat out cutting him?

Either way if the BPA to them in the first round or 2nd round is a CB they better select him. I don't care if both DRC and Nnamdi are back, that pick should be used on a CB because DRC/Nnamdi aren't going to be here for the long term.

[KOJO]

patpikunas, on 23 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Tradeback would be probably the best option if Joeckel is gone.... but honestly, are they going to find a team(s) looking to move up to 4th in this draft?

I don't see a ton of sure fire instant impact players that teams will be looking to move into the top 5 for.... at least not players that team would be willing to give up a lot for.

Obviously value is in the eye of the beholder but I am just not seeing big instant impact in the top of the draft at this point

By all accounts people have said that teams looking to get out of the top 10 this year to collect more picks would have an almost impossible time doing it. Wouldn't you know that the one year trading back would actually be a good idea for us the landscape is entirely unfavorable for it? Just our luck again.

eaglepride, on 23 February 2013 - 11:36 AM, said:

Played safety in college

And he was switched to corner when he came into the league. He possesses none of the attributes you need to play that position. So I'm not sure what your point is.

[CT Eagle]

Highboy, on 22 February 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

My understanding of the cap rules though is that you have to spend 89% of your cap. If we restructure all these players and/or cut them what they hell are we suppose to spend all that cap on? There aren't bank breaking free agents to be had (and I don't want them anyways) and no draft pick is going to command a heluva lot of cap space under the new rookie pay scale. Reid really Fed us.

I don't think Reid was the guy pushing for Nnamdi...just a hunch
I also don't think spending the cap dollars will be an issue.

[CT Eagle]

KOJO, on 22 February 2013 - 05:27 PM, said:

I've been largely happy with how things have gone this offseason, but I agree, if they end up keeping Nnamdi I will not be happy about it in the least. To be honest I'm not sure why he hasn't already been cut. Can't play anymore, bad attitude, way overpaid, had quit by the end of last season, & ruffled feathers in the locker room. I have no idea why they would want to keep a guy like that around for the new era.

Despite most people's objections I understood the Vick thing, but I sincerely hope this is not signaling a pattern of hanging onto the trash that has been rotting this team for the last few years. I was hopeful most of that was set to follow Reid's a** right out the door. This roster needs to be flushed.

It is no surprise that the issue with Nnamdi going forward is money and how they structured his contract.


"By participating in 90 percent of the snaps on defense last season, $4 million of Asomugha’s $15 million base salary for the coming season became fully guaranteed, with no offset.
The absence of the offset means that, even if the Eagles cut Asomugha, he’ll still get $4 million from Philly in 2013. "
PFT

[Runtherock]

CT Eagle, on 23 February 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

It is no surprise that the issue with Nnamdi going forward is money and how they structured his contract.


"By participating in 90 percent of the snaps on defense last season, $4 million of Asomugha’s $15 million base salary for the coming season became fully guaranteed, with no offset.
The absence of the offset means that, even if the Eagles cut Asomugha, he’ll still get $4 million from Philly in 2013. "
PFT

Should have put his quitting played out butt on the bench last third of the season.

[PoconoDon]

mjkvol, on 23 February 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I would agree, which is why I would trade back if someone else fell in love with a player, which isn't out of the question.

And while everyone seems set on Joeckel, I'd still prefer to get a defensive playmaker like Jordan in the 1st.   But I'll be satisfied with whoever they get, although regardless of how much he's raved about, I'd still be a little bit upset if they took Warmack. I can't wrap my mind around taking a guard at #4 - I don't care how good he is. That is so Andy Reid it's scary.

I have trouble with that one too....I'll add this..however...if the entire personnel department is 100% convinced that Warmack=L.Allen....then I'd at least understand it....he can't have one little smudge anywhere though....

If the Eagles trade back, then hopefully it's with the Rams that have 2 1st rounders (16th & 22nd).