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[SP]

TL;DR: Eagles trade Mike Patterson, Vinny Curry, Trent Cole, and Nick Foles away, while letting DRC go and renegotiating Nnamdi Asomugha's contract.  Each trade fills a team need for the other team and the Eagles get back a lot of draft picks and 3-4 DE Jared Odrick from Miami, where the team is switching to a 4-3 defense.  The Eagles sign a high-potential corner, top blocking tight end, and a top rush linebacker in free agency, along with some veteran depth.  The Eagles target LT Eric Fisher at #4 and round out the first two days with CB Xavier Rhodes, NT John Jenkins, G/C/T Barrett Jones, and S Bacarri Rambo.



Let's start by addressing positional needs:

QB) Whether the 2013 answer is on the team or not, long-term the Eagles have to be looking to bring someone in. Whether that occurs this year or next, I expect the Eagles to bring in some young guys to compete.

OT) Given the extensive injury that Jason Peters went through and the greater impact Todd Herremans seems to have on the inside, I believe both LT and RT need upgraded.  I don't think Peters will have many more high-impact seasons and the future LT of the team should be found near the top of the draft, given my expectation that most free agent tackles will be re-signed.

OG) The team needs help inside too.  Whether that is the result of moving Herremans inside or bringing someone else in, a change needs to happen.  Watkins will be lucky to have a backup role in 2013.

OC) With Kelce's injury, the team may opt to bring in some competition.

DE) With the switch to the 3-4, the team will need to find another player to clog up the 5 position on the DL.  Cox and Jenkins should be excellent starters, but I expect the team to bring in a veteran to rotate.

NT) The team needs a high-caliber nose tackle.  Most successful 3-4 teams have great NT's (Casey Hampton, BJ Raji, Vince Wilfork, etc.).  Dixon has the size to man the position, but I think he'd be a better backup.

OLB) Philadelphia will need to bring in a veteran 3-4 OLB and a starting-caliber SOLB that can handle bigger TEs.

ILB) I expect a veteran will be brought in to help out Ryans and Kendricks in the middle.

CB) Whether the team keeps Asomugha or DRC, or both, is to-be-decided.  I happen to think they'll only keep one, meaning the team needs to bring in a starting-caliber CB either through the draft or in Free Agency.

S) The team needs a significant upgrade at safety, maybe even two.  I think Nate Allen can still put it together, but he needs to be relegated to backup at the current time.

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Philadelphia Eagles Free Agents

Alright, let's talk about the current Eagle free-agents-to-be I'm bringing back:

OT King Dunlap- A sufficient backup tackle, the Eagles may find themselves with a logjam at the position, but I suspect he'll be re-signed on a 1- or 2-year deal. Eagles sign King Dunlap to a 1-year, $975K contract with a $400K roster bonus for September 1st; $350K Signing Bonus.

S Colt Anderson- He is a solid special-teams player and always seems to give 110% effort.  I think he's a Chip Kelly kind of guy and will excel in the fast-paced Kelly system.  2-year, $1.25M contract; $250K Signing Bonus.

OL Jake Scott- He competed well in the final couple games after joining mid-season.  I think he'll return for at least one year. Eagles sign Jake Scott to a 1-year, $950K contract; $400K Signing Bonus.

LS Jon Dorenbos-  There's a reason many teams leave an extra roster spot for long-snappers- they don't grow on trees and the job is tougher than most fans think.  He's still doing his job to a high-level and should return. Eagles sign Dorenbos to a 2-year, $1.95M contract; $500K Signing Bonus.


That's right, DRC walks.  This team needs effort guys going forward and he's not one of them.  Akeem Jordan, Derek Landri, and Darryl Tapp don't make the cut during the philosophy change on defense.


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NFL Free Agency

I think the team targets veteran 3-4 guys on defense and ultimately do not bring in any top-flight guys, much to the dismay of TATE.


TE Anthony Fasano- Shh... not many fans know who Fasano is or why he should be an Eagle target.  He has easily been Miami's offensive MVP when considering his work as a whole over the last couple years.  He is an EXCELLENT blocker and grew up less than two hours away from Philadelphia.  The Eagles need a player opposite Celek who can manhandle the DE if Chip decides to run an offense similar to the one he ran at Oregon. The Eagles sign the soon-to-be 29-year-old to a 4-year, $14.50M contract; $4.25M Signing Bonus.

G/T Eben Britton-  Kelly should recognize Britton- his team's defense struggled to get through him back when the tackle played at Arizona.  After a couple years in the NFL, with the lowly Jacksonville Jaguars, Britton finally finds himself able to leave that hell-hole for the first time.  Experience at both RT and LG, he is exactly what the Eagles should be looking for in terms of a younger backup offensive lineman. He isn't the quickest guy in the world, but he is able to pull well enough that the team should take a look at him.  He also won't even be 26 until the middle of the season. Eagles sign him to a 2-year, $2.75M contract; $1M Signing Bonus.

DL Sammie Lee Hill- Hill, even being stuck behind Suh, Fairley, and Williams in Detroit, has played fairly well when given the chance.  A BIG guy at 6'4, 331, Hill actually excels as a pass rushing DT.  I think he could easily spell Cox/Jenkins at DE and could compete in the middle for a chance to be the starting NT. Eagles sign the 26-year-old to a 2-year, $6.50M contract; $1.5M Signing Bonus.

OLB Connor Barwin- A speedy pass-rusher, Barwin is the type of young player the team should covet.  He had a down-year in 2012, so he should be affordable for a team that is going to need guys to get to the quarterback off the edge. Eagles sign Barwin to a 3-year, $16.5M contract; $6M Signing Bonus.

ILB Rey Maualuga- Never quite living up to the hype coming out of college, Maualuga may be looking to get out of Cincinnati.  The Eagles should try to scoop him up on a 1-year deal. Eagles sign the middle linebacker to a 1-year, $3.5M contract; $1M Signing Bonus.

CB Keenan Lewis- Chip Kelly's offense played quite a bit against Lewis, given he is a former rival-Oregon State- player, and he actually played surprisingly well this year.  He may have played himself above the Eagles' payroll, but the Beaver should give the Eagles a look. Eagles sign Lewis to a 3-year, $16M contract; $7M Signing Bonus.

S Patrick Chung- The final signing of the Eagles 2013 Free Agent class, the Eagles nab a former Duck in Chung.  While he hasn't lit the world on fire, it seems the coaching in New England- on the defensive side, at least- may have something to do with it.  I expect Chung's knowledge of Chip Kelly's way of running things should give the Eagles an edge. Eagles sign Chung to a 2-year, $8M contract; $2.5M Signing Bonus.


~$24M is on the books for 2013 coming from the Eagles Free Agent Signings.  This basically takes up the entire inflation from the cap allowance the Eagles can take on this year.  The team should definitely do it this year, with the likely cuts of Asomugha and Vick after the season making up for the future carryover from any signed contracts.  The only players the team should find themselves in any sort of bidding war are Lewis (depending on what happens with Talib, Smith, Cox, and McKelvin) and potentially Barwin (he leads the free agent list for rushing outside linebackers, since Paul Kruger is 99.9999999% going to be tagged).  

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2013 NFL Draft (Trades)

The Eagles package Nick Foles, their 5th Round Pick (#3) and their 2014 6th Round Pick to the Kansas City Chiefs for their 2nd Round Pick (2).  The Chiefs prefer to grab Luke Joeckel instead of Gino Smith, while they made a trade to grab their QB of the future via trade.

The Eagles trade DE Vinny Curry and 6th Round Pick (#28) to the Detroit Lions for their 5th Round Pick (#4) and 2014 3rd Round Pick.  Curry no longer fits in the Eagles' plans, but the Lions need some youth at DE and desperately need pass-rushing help.

The Eagles trade TE Clay Harbor and their 7th Round Pick (#6) to the Buffalo Bills for their 6th Round Pick (#9) and a conditional 2014 pick (5th/7th).  The Bills definitely need a TE and the Eagles find themselves with a surplus after adding a #1B in Fasano.

The Eagles trade DE Trent Cole to the Chicago Bears for their 2013 4th Round Pick (20) and 2014 6th Round Pick. Cole no longer fits in with the Eagles after the switch to the 3-4 defense, and the Bears are looking for another defensive end to play across from Julius Peppers.  At $1.9M for 2012 (after the trade), Trent Cole serves as a rather inexpensive option for the Bears, who will be tight against the cap.

The Eagles trade their 4th Round Pick (20), 6th Round (20), 2014 4th Round Pick, and DT Mike Patterson to the Miami Dolphins for DE Jared Odrick, OLB Josh Kaddu, and their 7th Round Pick (11).  The Dolphins are switching to a 4-3 defense and Odrick no longer will be able to maximize his talents.  Patterson gives the team a veteran UT while Kaddu is a former Duck that could slide in at backup OLB.

The Eagles trade their 4th Round Pick (4) and 6th Round Pick (9) to San Francisco for their 3rd Round Pick (30).


1st Round (4):  OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan. The Eagles, to many folks' surprise, stay put and select their LT of the future. Fisher looks to be a lock for a top-6 spot and should be able to compete early if Peters doesn't come back the way we all hope.
2nd Round (2): NT John Jenkins, Georgia. The Eagles shore up their front line by picking up the massive nose tackle from UGA. After seeing Star get scooped up in the first round, the Eagles don't let another big guy by them.
2nd Round (3): CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida State.The length CB has played extensively in college and is one of the most experienced corners to come out.  He may get picked up by the Packers, Patriots, or Ravens, but if he makes it out of the first round, he won't be available for long.
3rd Round (5): OG/OC Barrett Jones, Alabama. Apparently I'm missing something, because I think Jones should go in the first round.  However, multiple sources have been reporting the scouts see him as 4th round material at best.  I just think that at some point you have to look past the physical shortcomings and look at how great he's been based on intelligence and effort alone.  The guy could spot-start at any of the five OL positions and should be a dominating interior lineman.
3rd Round (30) S Bacarri Rambo, Georgia. At some point the Eagles need to address the safety position in the draft too.  While picking up Chung in FA is nice, the team still needs to infuse talent into a lineup of mediocrity.  Rambo gets after the football, something Chip Kelly stresses.
5th Round (4): QB Matt Scott, Arizona. A developmental QB for Kelly to play with, Scott ran a read-option with Rich Rodriguez and did fairly well.  He makes the most sense for Chip Kelly out of the entire lineup of quarterbacks.
7th Round (4): WR/QB Denard Robinson, Michigan. Another guy that had fairly decent success with a read-option, Robinson is a long-term project at WR/Slasher-QB.  
7th Round (11): OLB Michael Clay, Oregon. This little fireball can hit.  He's been very successful on special teams, is very, very fast, and can help some of the newer guys adjust to the speed of Chip Kelly's team.  Clay really did well under Kelly, leading their team in tackles for the last two seasons.

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Depth Chart

So it looks like the Eagles are a little thin at linebacker, even with bringing in two free agents.  They're going to need to scour the waiver wire for a veteran pass rusher.

QB: Vick, Dixon, Scott, Robinson
RB: McCoy, Brown, Lewis, Polk
FB: Havili, Igwenagu
WR: Jackson, Maclin, Avant, D. Johnson, Robinson, Salas, Cooper, McNutt
TE: Celek, Fasano, Moore
LT: Peters, Fisher, Dunlap
LG: Mathis, Britton, Vandervelde
C: Kelce, Jones, Tennant
RG: Scott, Jones, Watkins
RT: Herremans, Britton, Kelly

WDE: Cox, Hill
NT: J. Jenkins, Dixon
SDE: C. Jenkins, Odrick
WOLB: Graham, Kaddu, Clay
WILB: Ryans, Maualuga
SILB: Kendricks, Matthews
SOLB: Barwin, Chaney
CB: Asomugha, Lewis, Rhodes, Boykin, Marsh, Lindley, Hughes
FS: Allen, Rambo, Coleman
SS: Chung, Anderson

K: Henery
P: McBriar
LS: Dorenbos



The team focuses on bringing in back-seven help that is sorely needed, a couple of maulers up front to help with the transition to the 3-4, and some big-time offensive linemen with tons of potential.  The team maintains its youth while adding an abundance of talent.  The only issue: Quarterback. However, short of trading for Alex Smith, I don't think the Eagles will find their guy this year so it may be another tough year on offense.  Seven free agent signings is not out of the realm of possibility, especially given the question marks surrounding most of them (Chung's injury, Lewis's short success, Maualuga's position-alignment questions, Britton's benchings, etc.).  So I think that the team has a legitimate chance at getting the players to at least take a look at the Eagles.  In regards to the draft, Rhodes may push himself into the first round with a successful Combine/Pro-Day, but right now I have him as the 4th best cornerback.  The other guys I feel more than confident about their current selection spot.   I think the trades make a lot of sense, although I'm not sure how the team would allocate Trent Cole's signing bonus.  It should be accelerated and a renegotiating Asomugha should free up the necessary $$$ for 2012.


Rip away.

[RUEagle]

Would prefer to keep Curry and Trent Cole.  Some of the picks like Rhodes and Jones IMO won't be there when u select them.  However, I'd be quite happy if all of this went down.  Unfortunately overall it a bit unrealistic.

[SP]

RUEagle, on 23 February 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

Would prefer to keep Curry and Trent Cole.  Some of the picks like Rhodes and Jones IMO won't be there when u select them.  However, I'd be quite happy if all of this went down.  Unfortunately overall it a bit unrealistic.

Apparently all of these places are reporting Barrett Jones being no higher than a 4th all of a sudden, that not a single scout has said he has the size or strength to succeed in the NFL.  So a high third should be sufficient if that's truly the case. Like I wrote up, you can have all the talent in the world, but it doesn't matter if you don't try: see DRC.  I thought Jones was a top-35 player, and still do regardless of what those other websites say.  We'll see though.  He's dealing with a Lis Franc injury, too.

As far as Rhodes goes, he's got to have a big combine to supplant Trufant and Banks as the #3 and #2 corners respectively, in my opinion.  We'll find out in a couple of days when they report to Indianapolis.

Do you use two roster spots on guys that will only play in hybrid formations?  Curry's value tanked big time when the team moved away from the spread-speed rushers to the 3-4.

[dawk1977]

I like the FA.  But there is no way we trade vinny curry.  And you really don't replace the depth at DE. We should not have to add anything to the pot in order to trade foles for KC's second.  I would really like to atleast trade down to 6 and get fisher.  This would at least give us another 3rd.

[Hawley081887]

I see on your depth chart you have Fisher as your second LT, I think if he goes 4 he starts at RT right away and moves Herremans back inside to guard. No way you take a guy 4th and sit him

[Asiragusa]

Hawley081887, on 23 February 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I see on your depth chart you have Fisher as your second LT, I think if he goes 4 he starts at RT right away and moves Herremans back inside to guard. No way you take a guy 4th and sit him

I agree

[SP]

dawk1977, on 23 February 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I like the FA.  But there is no way we trade vinny curry.  And you really don't replace the depth at DE. We should not have to add anything to the pot in order to trade foles for KC's second.  I would really like to atleast trade down to 6 and get fisher.  This would at least give us another 3rd.

Well, most 3-4 teams only run with 3 to 4 DE's and maybe a hybrid DE/NT.  So it's not out of the ordinary to have a ton more linebackers than defensive linemen.  The 49ers only carried six linemen last year.  In order to trade down, you'd have to convince me Cleveland feels the need to jump Detroit.  7 or 8 makes more sense because of the need for QBs at 6, 7, and 8, but Detroit could grab Fisher and knock Reilly Reiff to RT to replace Cherilus and Arizona needs a LT too.  So where do you draw the line between what makes sense and simply trading down as far as possible so the Eagles get as many picks as possible and then you still get your guy?

I think Vinny Curry won't cut it.  You'll essentially be carrying a DE that stands up and rushes the passer every time he's on the field.  He just doesn't seem like the type of player that will succeed as a 3-4 linebacker and at 266, he's way, way too light to play the 5 technique.

As far as Foles goes, I don't think you can justify demanding the 34th pick for a guy that was drafted 88th last year and didn't show anything truly amazing.

Hawley081887, on 23 February 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I see on your depth chart you have Fisher as your second LT, I think if he goes 4 he starts at RT right away and moves Herremans back inside to guard. No way you take a guy 4th and sit him

Did you know Eric Fisher hasn't played Right Tackle since before his junior year of high school?  He was a left tackle since the day he joined the Chippewas.  Now, all of these draft sites you've probably read say he could start instantly at either spot, but there's nothing to suggest that he could come in and instantly assume the right tackle role- it's all speculation based on his overall talent level.  The footwork is immensely different.   Read this article, with quotes from NFL tackles: https://www.profootb...witching-sides/

[deevo82]

You have to remember that if Vick is our QB next season, out blind side tackle is the RT so he is the key. If Fisher can't play on the right then Peters might get kicked over there and Herremans moved inside. Fischer starts either way. We can't afford to draft a guy at No 4 and let him sit on the bench. We have too many areas that need immediate improvement.

[SP]

I don't know that Peters will even play next year.  This depth chart is simply heading into training camp, and no rookie should be starting right away before even practicing. I think the majority of you that haven't responded so far are looking too far into it.  But, Peters hasn't played right tackle since 2006 and is coming off a significant injury...

I believe that the two rookies would actually end up starting. The lineup would look like this:  Fisher-Mathis-Kelce-Jones-Herremans. With Kelce's injury occurring in September, and being just a torn MCL/ACL ("just" in comparison to Peters's injury), I think he'll be okay come Training Camp.  He started running exercises three weeks ago, there's no reason he should not be ready to play football within the next three months.


Also, the win-now, win-now, win-now mentality that we're so used to needs to be reevaluated.  This is a 2-3 year process, in my opinion.  Right now, the focus is on solving offensive line issues and the defense.  With this roster, I'm looking at a QB, WR (depending on Maclin's success/return), RG or C, and S next year.  Not a bad transition from a team that just won 4 games.

Jason Peters, Cullen Jenkins, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Michael Vick are all very likely gone next year.  Mike Vick has dead money on his contract in 2014 regardless of if he's brought back or not (signing bonus 2014/2015 years that were voiding have to be accelerated), but Jason Peters, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Cullen Jenkins could be cut, saving the team $25M+ between the three of them. Wows.

Odrick starts for Jenkins instead of rotating and Asomugha/Peters' replacements have already been signed/drafted in this mock.

[SP]

250 views and only five of ya responded

Think it's too much text or what?

[SP]

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So does that mean it's good?  Bad?  Too much for you folks?!

[ThaPhenom]

seems very unrealistic

[Asiragusa]

A bit too unrealistic with the trades for me

[SP]

Well, so far I was right about Patterson not being a part of the team and Cullen Jenkins being let go - albeit a year early.  So 1.5/2 isn't too bad so far


When you say "unrealistic" are you talking the re-signings, signings, trades, or drafted players?  Which in particular?  I'd like to hear your opinion and then we can enter a discussion.

As far as the trades go, which in particular do you not like?  I'd like to discuss the specifics of them and explain my thought process to maybe make it understandable.

[SBorBust]

SP, on 25 February 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

Well, so far I was right about Patterson not being a part of the team and Cullen Jenkins being let go - albeit a year early.  So 1.5/2 isn't too bad so far


When you say "unrealistic" are you talking the re-signings, signings, trades, or drafted players?  Which in particular?  I'd like to hear your opinion and then we can enter a discussion.

As far as the trades go, which in particular do you not like?  I'd like to discuss the specifics of them and explain my thought process to maybe make it understandable.

You kept the 4th pick, added a second round pick, moved from the 4th to 3rd round (I'm going to bet it's a high 3rd) and added Jared Odrick.  For this wealth of riches, you basically gave up Nick Foles... Since both of your second round picks are expected to be drafted in the first round, I'd say you got pretty decent value with that, too.

"Realistic" would be trading Foles for a third round pick and going from there.  Unless he has an off-the-field issue between now and April, Rhodes is 99.5% off the board.

But, I do like the thought that you put into the free agent signings.

[SP]

SBorBust, on 26 February 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

You kept the 4th pick, added a second round pick, moved from the 4th to 3rd round (I'm going to bet it's a high 3rd) and added Jared Odrick.  For this wealth of riches, you basically gave up Nick Foles... Since both of your second round picks are expected to be drafted in the first round, I'd say you got pretty decent value with that, too.

"Realistic" would be trading Foles for a third round pick and going from there.  Unless he has an off-the-field issue between now and April, Rhodes is 99.5% off the board.

But, I do like the thought that you put into the free agent signings.

"Basically gave up Foles" = losing Trent Cole, Clay Harbor, Nick Foles (QB of the future), and Vinny Curry (last year's second round pick) for a 2nd, 3rd, and 2014 3rd?

If KC does NOT give a 2nd using some sort of arrangement of draft picks, the Eagles should hold onto Foles.  A younger QB with any sort of promise is worth more than a 3rd round pick.  So then you're talking about Vinny Curry = 3rd round... makes sense, since he's just one year removed from being the 59th overall pick and the Lions know what they're getting versus drafting an unknown.  So you don't believe Trent Cole and Clay Harbor should net a 2014 3rd?  I believe you're wrong.  I think Chicago, with their defense getting so old, would be more than willing to give up a future 3rd to potentially push their team over the threshold and into the Super Bowl.  They could still address their OL in the first/second of this year.

If I changed the Rhodes pick to Banks (since Rhodes had a good Combine, which I thought might happen and noted in the last paragraph of the original post), then what are your thoughts?  Also, you and I obviously disagree on Jenkins- I think your top DTs are Floyd, Lotulelei, Short, Richardson, and Williams.  Then Hankins and Jenkins at the top of the 2nd round.

[SBorBust]

SP, on 26 February 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

"Basically gave up Foles" = losing Trent Cole, Clay Harbor, Nick Foles (QB of the future), and Vinny Curry (last year's second round pick) for a 2nd, 3rd, and 2014 3rd?

If KC does NOT give a 2nd using some sort of arrangement of draft picks, the Eagles should hold onto Foles.  A younger QB with any sort of promise is worth more than a 3rd round pick.  So then you're talking about Vinny Curry = 3rd round... makes sense, since he's just one year removed from being the 59th overall pick and the Lions know what they're getting versus drafting an unknown.  So you don't believe Trent Cole and Clay Harbor should net a 2014 3rd?  I believe you're wrong...

You asked why no one commented.  I figured I'd give you an answer.  Then you attempted to justify the outrageous value gotten back in trades for veterans who you don't even want.

So, nevermind...

[GoEagles614]

Too many trades. Undervaluing draft picks. Not sure why Harbor is traded. He's a perfect for for the system.

Only thing I like, and feel is possible is the free agency.

Also cheifs have Alex smith so Foles isn't going there

[SP]

Kansas City will trade its second-round pick in the 2013 draft -- the second selection (No. 34 overall) in the round -- as well as another conditional mid-round pick in 2014 to acquire Smith from San Francisco, a league source told ESPN.


So they DID give up a 2nd-round pick-- AND MORE!!

You STILL don't think that Foles should garner at least the 2nd Round pick-- when my trade had our team throwing in two additional picks???

It wasn't the value on my end that's the issue...  Tim Friggin' Tebow netted a 4th round.  I think an ACTUAL QB with ACTUAL upside is worth more than that.


Demeco Ryans, a guy that no longer fit his system well and was coming off an injury, was traded for a 4th round pick and the swap of 12 picks in the 3rd round- equivalent to a late 4th round or early 5th round pick.  So Trent Cole, who is another veteran that has put up admirable numbers at his position, isn't worth two 4ths (or a 3rd)?


Again, I used previous trades made in the NFL to estimate value.  I can do this with ALL of my trades, point to an example of another person at the position or a similar one that netted about the same value.


RE: Harbor-

After signing Fasano, Harbor would be relegated to the 3rd TE spot.   At this point, the draft pick is of more value to have than Harbor.  Especially when changing leadership.

[GoEagles614]

Alex Smith is a proven QB who's won games and made the playoffs. Nick Foles isn't close to that. So unless your giving 3rds and Foles, I don't think they would've done that trade

[SP]

GoEagles614, on 27 February 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

Alex Smith is a proven QB who's won games and made the playoffs. Nick Foles isn't close to that. So unless your giving 3rds and Foles, I don't think they would've done that trade

Then the question arises: why did Andy Reid draft Nick Foles to begin with?  If he didn't see him as a QB of the future, then he's basically saying that he wasted a pick for the Eagles.  Same with Vinny Curry, he picked this guy in the 2nd round to fit his defensive line scheme and then fired the coach.  D'oh.


And Charlie Whitehurst (who? exactly!) was traded for a 3rd round pick AND a swap of 2nd round picks.  Hmm.

Kevin Kolb, anyone?  a 2nd round pick and a former 1st round CB.  Hmm.


QBs, even those with NO playoff wins, garner high draft picks.

[EaglesFanatic14]

I love the FA but I think it's a bit unrealistic, if it were to happen, I would be really happy, not really a big fan of the draft really.

[McFive]

Jones is seen as a 1-2nd round player and is only slipping now due to injury concerns, and even now there's nobody calling him a "4th round talent". CBS has him as the 54th best player with a 2nd round grade.

We are fully sunk into Cole's cap-hit this year, so if we trade him it better be on draft day for a prospect we really like.

Those trades, nearly unanimous, are completely unrealistic and poor ideas even if they were feasible. You don't trade your trash to another team for their trash in the NFL unless its in the preseason and you know a player wont make the cut. And you sure as hell don't trade mid-round draft picks for average-below average players.

Turrible.

[SP]

McFive, on 05 March 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Jones is seen as a 1-2nd round player and is only slipping now due to injury concerns, and even now there's nobody calling him a "4th round talent". CBS has him as the 54th best player with a 2nd round grade.

We are fully sunk into Cole's cap-hit this year, so if we trade him it better be on draft day for a prospect we really like.

Those trades, nearly unanimous, are completely unrealistic and poor ideas even if they were feasible. You don't trade your trash to another team for their trash in the NFL unless its in the preseason and you know a player wont make the cut. And you sure as hell don't trade mid-round draft picks for average-below average players.

Turrible.

This was posted on the 23rd of February.  CBS updates their rankings daily, and Jones' profile was updated on the 3rd of March.  Before the update, they had him ranked in the late 80's- that's late 3rd round.  NFL.com doesn't even have him listed in the top 100 players (they give him a "grade" of 71.1).  Even at 54, that's the 22nd pick of the 2nd Round. Hmm... That's only 13 picks from the 5th pick of the 3rd round (Cleveland and New Orleans DON'T have 2nd round picks).  Not a stretch by any imagination and I'd love to see how you think 32 is closer to 54 than 67.  Because you're saying he's a potential 1st round pick, and then use CBS's ranking to discredit my pick.  Ironic.

Cole, to me, does not fit into the defense that Chip Kelly and Billy Davis will be moving to.  I don't think you would get much more than a 4th round pick for him.  Remember, Darryl Tapp was traded for a 4th rounder AND Chris Clemons.... You're saying Tapp is better than Cole??? No way.

Two of the teams first four picks from last year are "trash"???  As far as the Clay Harbor trade... look at that division.  You don't think the Bills see the success that Aaron Hernandez, Rob Gronkowski, Dustin Keller, and Anthony Fasano had?  That trade is the exact same value from the Tracy White/Patriots trade.  Bills have an ENORMOUS hole at TE.

Explain why they're unrealistic.  So far I've defended all of these trades with previous data and not once has someone returned to dispute that.  Posts 19 and 21 have yet to be quoted.

[dawk1977]

I like alot of it. But at first glance, there is no way vinny curry is traded.  To much talent for him to go. You really don't replace him anyway. I like the Lbers you pick up in FA.  Instead of Matt Scott in the 5th, give me someone like Kenny Stills Oklahoma. Eric ficsher and Barrett Jones would really give this team a chance to win.  I really like that you addressed the Oline early and often. Rhodes is the only one I question if he will be there. Rhodes would be a very good addition though.  You put alot of thought into this and I like it. I don't know about your trade with Miami since mike patterson is already gone.  Jared Odrick would be a good pick up but I still want to keep curry.  Curry was one of my favorite players in the draft last year.  And he bleeds green, so you know he is going to leave it on the field.

[dawk1977]

Oh and Foles is not going to KC.

[wieber81]

The 4th pick better not be a back up

[SP]

dawk1977, on 11 March 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

I like alot of it. But at first glance, there is no way vinny curry is traded.  To much talent for him to go. You really don't replace him anyway. I like the Lbers you pick up in FA.  Instead of Matt Scott in the 5th, give me someone like Kenny Stills Oklahoma. Eric ficsher and Barrett Jones would really give this team a chance to win.  I really like that you addressed the Oline early and often. Rhodes is the only one I question if he will be there. Rhodes would be a very good addition though.  You put alot of thought into this and I like it. I don't know about your trade with Miami since mike patterson is already gone.  Jared Odrick would be a good pick up but I still want to keep curry.  Curry was one of my favorite players in the draft last year.  And he bleeds green, so you know he is going to leave it on the field.

Oh and Foles is not going to KC.

Right right.  I posted this before Patterson was released and KC traded for Alex Smith.  I would want to keep Curry, but I think he's just way too undersized to do well in a 3-4 or 4-3 Under defense.  The Lions have a lot of good pieces on the defensive line- Fairley, Suh, Young, Lawerence Jackson will probably be back...  They have a CORE there, they just need another young pass rusher with Avril almost 100% gone.  I would put $100 on him NOT returning.  

Rhodes DEFINITELY pushed himself into the first round.  He'll be top-16 for sure. This was before the combine (note the end there when I mention it).

wieber81, on 11 March 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

The 4th pick better not be a back up

Two things: 1) I highly doubt Peters returns to his pre-injury form. He'll be getting paid like a top-3 LT but will play like a bottom-16 starting LT.  I'd put $100 down on him not being on the roster with his current contract in 2014.  Fisher should be able to lock the LT spot down for the following 4 years and then will likely get another 6-7 year contract.  You want the 4th pick to be a guy that will be part of your core team for the better part of a decade, not worrying about what he does in year 1.

2) There's no guarantee that Peters even does well enough to be a starter THIS year.  You have NO idea how he comes back from his injury.  There's a good chance Fisher picks up 6+ starts THIS year.

[SP]

Can I get some credit for my contract numbers?  Said 2-years, $8M on Chung... he got 3-years, $10M.  Barwin got 6/$36, I said 3/$16.5... so Chung got $1M less per year, Barwin got $1.33M more per year.  Pretty damn close.  I've been doing these for three years now and I've focused quite a bit more on numbers than almost everyone that posts here.   Wanted Fasano at 4/$14.5 .... He got 4/$16 -- a whopping $750K difference per year.  Sammie Lee Hill 3/$11.4... I said 2/$6.5...  $600K difference!!!

Keenan Lewis: 5/$26.3/$10.5... I said 3/$16/$7... That's $5.3M/yr and signing bonus of $2.1M/yr (what he got) and $5.3M/yr and signing bonus $2.33M/yr (what I said!).  I'm getting better at this