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[mayanh8]

The "me first" attitude of high priced veterans has killed this team... and many teams around the league. The ones that have enjoyed sustained success, like the Patriots, have rosters filled with guys who may not be the most athletic or skilled but are system guys and are committed to doing whatever it takes to win.

Chip Kelly expects every single player on his team to work harder, study longer, and stay later than what most veterans are willing to do. The days of bringing in high-priced, selfish veterans looking to cash in are over. This is going to be a young team with a roster that is constantly in flux. Most players that are established in this league are going to steer clear of the Eagles... and I'm perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to put in the work then F'em.

I 100% expect the Eagles to win a SB with Chip Kelly. He won't tolerate guys quitting and not putting in the work it takes to win.

Call me an idiot, homer, whatever... I can't wait to see what the future brings. Long live the !!

[Footballman175]

Positive Threads FTW !!!!

[vic92353]

I don't know if he will bring a Sb to Philly.  But I know his chances are better than they were with Andy Reid.  Chip Kelly believes (IMO),  in a complete Football team that attacks the other team weakness.  For example he said, if he see he has the ability to run the ball he will kill you running,  Instead of throwing the damn ball all day like Andy Reid would do.   Til this day I don't understand why Andy Reid would do stupid things like that.  BUT THANK THE GOOD LORD  that's over.  

[BirdGang45]

Good thread. Props.

[Eagles3785]

Good post BUT didn't Reid do the same thing???

He didn't go after many high priced FA's the first couple years...I'm not going to count Runyan because OL guys who have proved them selfs in the NFL aren't really a big risk no matter what the cost

[mayanh8]

Lurie pretty much said point blank that Reid got away from bringing team guys in and started overpaying for veterans thinking it would put them over the top. It couldn't have had a worse effect.

[Utebird]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

The "me first" attitude of high priced veterans has killed this team... and many teams around the league. The ones that have enjoyed sustained success, like the Patriots, have rosters filled with guys who may not be the most athletic or skilled but are system guys and are committed to doing whatever it takes to win.

Chip Kelly expects every single player on his team to work harder, study longer, and stay later than what most veterans are willing to do. The days of bringing in high-priced, selfish veterans looking to cash in are over. This is going to be a young team with a roster that is constantly in flux. Most players that are established in this league are going to steer clear of the Eagles... and I'm perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to put in the work then F'em.

I 100% expect the Eagles to win a SB with Chip Kelly. He won't tolerate guys quitting and not putting in the work it takes to win.

Call me an idiot, homer, whatever... I can't wait to see what the future brings. Long live the !!

yeah because reid the guy whowas fired had so much to do with bringing in all those high priced old guys, last i checked that would be howie and lurie, you know the guys who are still here, dont think kelly is going to change any of that if anything the organization will change the way they handle the roster because of the way the dream team and last year blew up in their faces, reid was frustrated with the direction the roster was taking, he always built his teams through the draft not FA, Lurie has said that their was pressure to win the big game after being so close so many times and that they needed to try something different, he says it was an organizational decision, i find it hard to believe that a coach who ran the same offense and same predictable plays for over a decade and was super stubborn and didnt ever change much in game or out of game would all the sudden alter his whole organizational philosophy. The whole thing blew up in the organizations face and the part of the organization who in my opinion dictated the organization go in the dream team direction still remains, lurie and roseman.

like i said they might shift focus back to young players and not over proced laxy FA vets but if they do it wont be because of kelly it will because lurie and roseman learned form their past mistakes.

[Footballman175]

Utebird, on 23 February 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

yeah because reid the guy whowas fired had so much to do with bringing in all those high priced old guys, last i checked that would be howie and lurie, you know the guys who are still here, dont think kelly is going to change any of that if anything the organization will change the way they handle the roster because of the way the dream team and last year blew up in their faces, reid was frustrated with the direction the roster was taking, he always built his teams through the draft not FA, Lurie has said that their was pressure to win the big game after being so close so many times and that they needed to try something different, he says it was an organizational decision, i find it hard to believe that a coach who ran the same offense and same predictable plays for over a decade and was super stubborn and didnt ever change much in game or out of game would all the sudden alter his whole organizational philosophy. The whole thing blew up in the organizations face and the part of the organization who in my opinion dictated the organization go in the dream team direction still remains, lurie and roseman.

like i said they might shift focus back to young players and not over proced laxy FA vets but if they do it wont be because of kelly it will because lurie and roseman learned form their past mistakes.

Howie didn't get to have control over drafting until 2012

[mayanh8]

Utebird, on 23 February 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

yeah because reid the guy whowas fired had so much to do with bringing in all those high priced old guys, last i checked that would be howie and lurie, you know the guys who are still here, dont think kelly is going to change any of that if anything the organization will change the way they handle the roster because of the way the dream team and last year blew up in their faces, reid was frustrated with the direction the roster was taking, he always built his teams through the draft not FA, Lurie has said that their was pressure to win the big game after being so close so many times and that they needed to try something different, he says it was an organizational decision, i find it hard to believe that a coach who ran the same offense and same predictable plays for over a decade and was super stubborn and didnt ever change much in game or out of game would all the sudden alter his whole organizational philosophy. The whole thing blew up in the organizations face and the part of the organization who in my opinion dictated the organization go in the dream team direction still remains, lurie and roseman.

like i said they might shift focus back to young players and not over proced laxy FA vets but if they do it wont be because of kelly it will because lurie and roseman learned form their past mistakes.

What are you talking about? Reid had 100% control over this roster. If Reid wanted someone, they got them. Also, read my previous post.

[Utebird]

Footballman175, on 23 February 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Howie didn't get to have control over drafting until 2012

what does drafting have to do with High priced FA, even if thats the case he still had input and was still part of the brain trust. ultimately the person who is most responsible for the direction of the franchise is the owner, lurie is an involved owner, he may say reid has the final say in football decisions but if thats the case then why didnt he just flat out say reid wanted to take a different direction so we went with it, instead he said as an organization it was agreed that we take a different direction to get us over the top after being so close, that says to me that somebody suggest to Reid that his stubborn way wasnt working and the man who never changes his game plan even in game in swirling head wind passing 60 times would all the sudden say you know what were going to change the way we do things around here, which makes more sense that stubborn reid was the ring leader for change or others in the organization?

[Utebird]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 08:07 PM, said:

What are you talking about? Reid had 100% control over this roster. If Reid wanted someone, they got them. Also, read my previous post.

thats odd funny how there were som many reports about power struggles in the FO and lurie using terms like organizational decisions, guys that have 100% control over the roster dont make total organizational decisons they make the decision and the organization follows suit. Its easy for Lurie to say Reid had total control because then when things go badly the owner can save face and fire the coach who had all the control, except in this case lurie didnt just blame the coach and fire him he has to much respect for reid, he blamed the organization, which is his organization and fired the coach.

[iluvdaeagles]

we have to make it to the playoffs and then win out from there

pretty simple if you ask me

[mayanh8]

Utebird, on 23 February 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

thats odd funny how there were som many reports about power struggles in the FO and lurie using terms like organizational decisions, guys that have 100% control over the roster dont make total organizational decisons they make the decision and the organization follows suit. Its easy for Lurie to say Reid had total control because then when things go badly the owner can save face and fire the coach who had all the control, except in this case lurie didnt just blame the coach and fire him he has to much respect for reid, he blamed the organization, which is his organization and fired the coach.

Just totally disagree here. Not really much more I can say.

[RUEagle]

[Utebird]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Just totally disagree here. Not really much more I can say.

if reid had supposed total control why was banner fired after the 2012 season? why not fire reid, if he had total control the most logical firing would be ried not banner. ultimately the person who has total control is Lurie but he's not going to fire himself and last i sure have never heard an owner get up and say, It my fault we suck i made some poor chouces and if i could i would fire myself. instead they fire a buch of people dupe everyone into thinking the reason they sucked was because of all the guys they just fired and now its all better because those guys are gone, when in reality the person who has the most sway at the top of the organization is the owner. ever notice how franchises that are really successful like the steelers giants niners all have really good ownership, coincidence, i think not. like i said if the organization decided to go back to the way reid was for over a decade other than the last two years it wont have anything to do with kelly it will have to do with those in the organization still there who have learned from their past mistakes, reids mistakes as well but also their own mistakes, those would be at the moment Lurie and Roseman.

[mayanh8]

Utebird, on 23 February 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

if reid has supposed total control why was banner fired after the 2012 season? why not fire reid, if he had total control the most logical firing would be ried not banner. ultimately the person who has total control is Lurie but he's not going to fire himself and last i sure have never heard an owner get up and say, It my fault we suck i made some poor chouces and if i could i would fire myself. instead they fire a buch of people dupe everyone into thinking the reason they sucked was because of all the guys they just fired and now its all better because those guys are gone, when in reality the person who has the most sway at the top of the organization is the owner. ever notice how franchises that are really successful like the steelers giants niners all have really good ownership, coincidence, i think not. like i said if the organization decided to go back to the way reid was for over a decade other than the last two years it wont have anything to do with kelly it will have to do with those in the organization still there who have learned from their past mistakes, reids mistakes as well but also their own mistakes, those would be at the moment Lurie and Roseman.

If you believe the people with "sources" it's because he lost a power struggle with Reid. In truth, nobody knows what happened there.

[Utebird]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

If you believe the people with "sources" it's because he lost a power struggle with Reid. In truth, nobody knows what happened there.

exactly no body knows, we know what they tell us and by "they" i mean Lurie and what he told us is that it was an organizational decision, now if he said that to protect reid whom he considers a friend we'll never know but more than likely it was an organizational decision which would imply reid didnt have total control, an even if he did, if the sources that say banner lost a power struggle with reid were true that would imply that reid in previous years didnt have total control becuase if he did where would the struggle be, which would imply that at the very least  reid had total control would be 2012/2013, a year when his big veteran FA signing was trent cole todd herremans, desean jackson and lesean mccoy, all in house guys, on par with what reid had done in the past, which would suggest the year of dream team spending was way out of character for a stubborn guy that had been doing the same things the same way for over a decade or that more than likely someone else in the organization had sway., like banner roseman, lurie ect..

[mayanh8]

Utebird, on 23 February 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

exactly no body knows, we know what they tell us and by "they" i mean Lurie and what he told us is that it was an organizational decision, now if he said that to protect reid whom he considers a friend we'll never know but more than likely it was an organizational decision which would imply reid didnt have total control, an even if he did, if the sources that say banner lost a power struggle with reid were true that would imply that reid in previous years didnt have total control becuase if he did where would the struggle be, which would imply that at the very least  reid had total control would be 2012/2013, a year when his big veteran FA signing was trent cole todd herremans, desean jackson and lesean mccoy, all in house guys, on par with what reid had done in the past, which would suggest the year of dream team spending was way out of character for a stubborn guy that had been doing the same things the same way for over a decade or that more than likely someone else in the organization had sway., like banner roseman, lurie ect..

I think you are reading too much into a situation you have no hope of understanding. In times like that it's best to fall back on Occam's razor.

[greenpassion]

great thread we need more positivity around here

[Utebird]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

I think you are reading too much into a situation you have no hope of understanding. In times like that it's best to fall back on Occam's razor.

i was falling back on occams razor, what im thinking seems to be the simplest explanation, it may not seem simple to you but what you think is simple i think is convoluted.

[Regal]

Footballman175, on 23 February 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Howie didn't get to have control over drafting until 2012

BS. There are quotes where he talked about guys from past drafts using words that insinuated he picked them (aka Danny Watkins, Jaiquwan Jarrett, etc.). Don't believe the hype.


P.S. I hope OP is right....very soon!

[SinCityEaglesFan]

I want that lombardi as bad as the next guy, and while i dont know about the plans kelly has for this team - im really excited and i have a good feeling that this year will be something special


this sucks... i dont want to wait two more weeks for free agency

[Footballman175]

Regal, on 24 February 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

BS. There are quotes where he talked about guys from past drafts using words that insinuated he picked them (aka Danny Watkins, Jaiquwan Jarrett, etc.). Don't believe the hype.


P.S. I hope OP is right....very soon!

yeah it's just a coincidence that Lurie says that Howie gets full draft operations 3 months before the 2012 draft...and the results of the draft? Priceless.

[JonnyEagles69]

Its going to be a great change and I cant wait for PS to start .

[The_Talon]

mayanh8, on 23 February 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

The "me first" attitude of high priced veterans has killed this team... and many teams around the league. The ones that have enjoyed sustained success, like the Patriots, have rosters filled with guys who may not be the most athletic or skilled but are system guys and are committed to doing whatever it takes to win.

Chip Kelly expects every single player on his team to work harder, study longer, and stay later than what most veterans are willing to do. The days of bringing in high-priced, selfish veterans looking to cash in are over. This is going to be a young team with a roster that is constantly in flux. Most players that are established in this league are going to steer clear of the Eagles... and I'm perfectly fine with that. If they don't want to put in the work then F'em.

I 100% expect the Eagles to win a SB with Chip Kelly. He won't tolerate guys quitting and not putting in the work it takes to win.

Call me an idiot, homer, whatever... I can't wait to see what the future brings. Long live the !!

vic92353, on 23 February 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

I don't know if he will bring a Sb to Philly.  But I know his chances are better than they were with Andy Reid.  Chip Kelly believes (IMO),  in a complete Football team that attacks the other team weakness.  For example he said, if he see he has the ability to run the ball he will kill you running,  Instead of throwing the damn ball all day like Andy Reid would do.   Til this day I don't understand why Andy Reid would do stupid things like that.  BUT THANK THE GOOD LORD  that's over.  

you two may not realize that Reid was the same way. Reid was a "systematic" coach that went after "system" guys. It was only that one year that they went after the high profile players, and that was to make less of Castillo's handicap as the new DC.

[NOTW]

While we all hope you're right, I never talk about the Eagles winning a SB because they've let us down so many times.  I will hope for it, be excited by great plays and cheer for the team and bleed green but I would never guarantee anything because we've done that before and lost.

[KingxEagles]

[PhillyGreenMachine]

Not with Mike Vick he wont.

[nottsfootballfan]

vic92353, on 23 February 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

I don't know if he will bring a Sb to Philly.  But I know his chances are better than they were with Andy Reid.

You do knows Reid is one of the winningest coaches, highest win percentage of all time in the NFL.

Definitely the eagles best ever head coach.

I HOPE Kelly is better than Reid, but in reality his chances are probably worse.


I wanted Reid fired,it was time to move on. But to dismiss everything he did is pretty stupid.

[BirdGang45]

PhillyGreenMachine, on 24 February 2013 - 04:03 AM, said:

Not with Mike Vick he wont.

We werent planning on winning the SB next year anyways.

One year and Vick is gone.