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[lusid42]

Why so much faith in Chip Kelly?  If anything he seems very unproven in a lot of important ways.  That is, he seems like a big risk.  Who knows, maybe the Eagles org. knows what it's doing and brought in the right guy.  But maybe these are the same guys that thought Vick and Young were a good 1 2 setup at QB.  I think if I were them, I would have hired Chip Kelly under this reasoning: he is a risk, maybe he is great, if he is not he'll be gone within 3 years.  That reasoning only works if there is someone who right now was not available, but who may be in the near future.  This way, you take a shot, and if it doesn't work, you're in position to grab up the guy you want in a year or so.  Who knows.  I'm just saying, Kelly got a little of my confidence by bringing in Shurmer, then lost that and then some by keeping Vick.  Seriously, what is the upside to keeping Vick.  An aging, injury prone QB....and that's not even getting into opinions about his ability to actually play the position itself.  It's a waste of money and a roster spot.

[PhillySteaks]

Kelly has a lot to prove

Keeping vick is mistake #1....

Unfortunately, we may be starting this process over 3 yrs from now....

[iluvdaeagles]

he is our head coach support his decisions

[nipples]

Well if the rest of the decisions are as terrible as the one to keep Vick, then no I will not "support his decisions."

[iluvdaeagles]

nipples, on 24 February 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Well if the rest of the decisions are as terrible as the one to keep Vick, then no I will not "support his decisions."

[PhillySteaks]

nipples, on 24 February 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Well if the rest of the decisions are as terrible as the one to keep Vick, then no I will not "support his decisions."

Off to a flying start, well at least according to Iluvdamikevicksack...

[neal_c60]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

he is our head coach support his decisions

So....

Now you're moronic enough to question the hiring of the head coach, but declare it unloyal to question that same coach's decision(the coach you just questioned the hiring of) to retain a washed up has been qb.

See why your stupidity makes everyone laugh at you?

That's a serious question, by the way..... do you understand just how laughable your stupidity really is?

Thanks for your reply in advance.

[iluvdaeagles]

neal_c60, on 24 February 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

So....

Now you're moronic enough to question the hiring of the head coach, but declare it unloyal to question that same coach's decision(the coach you just questioned the hiring of) to retain a washed up has been qb.

See why your stupidity makes everyone laugh at you?

That's a serious question, by the way..... do you understand just how laughable your stupidity really is?

Thanks for your reply in advance.

from what i saw at oregon chip is a smart coach

i am not going to rag on the decisions he makes till proven otherwise

you dont have to have the same line of thinking.....

idk why people get so upset around here when someone doenst have the same opinion as they do

different individuals different thoughts neal

[wildturtle]

PhillySteaks, on 24 February 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Kelly has a lot to prove

Keeping vick is mistake #1....

Unfortunately, we may be starting this process over 3 yrs from now....

I am in no way a vick fan you can read my past post to see that, but keeping Vick was not a mistake.  Tell me this who else was/ is out there that is capable of running the O that Chip is looking to install?????

I can only think of 2 and the eagles signed them both already (vick and Dixon)

[lusid42]

Wait.  What is the upside of keeping Vick?  Aging and injury prone to say the least.  You can't honestly think we'll do anything important with him under center.  So if he starts, it just ends up as a year where guy who we already know can't do the job is in, instead of trying out someone else.  Maybe that guy can't do the job either, but at least we don't already know that for sure.  It was a bad re signing and a waste of money.  On top of all that, if one thing (other than Vick being terrible) has been clear in recent years, its that that locker room needs a change of culture.  Coaching changes only go so far for that.  A big part of coaching changes turning around teams, is also turning over the roster.  If you keep guys who give your team the wrong mentality, then you're team keeps the wrong mentality.  Vick has always in the past been constantly explaining why this year is different, and how this year he's working harder.  He'll keep saying those same things.  Guys who are busy explaining that are guys who aren't busy taking care of their business.  So I hope you like how it's been.  Because the biggest problems still remain.

[neal_c60]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 February 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

from what i saw at oregon chip is a smart coach

i am not going to rag on the decisions he makes till proven otherwise

you dont have to have the same line of thinking.....

idk why people get so upset around here when someone doenst have the same opinion as they do

different individuals different thoughts neal

You're right.

I don't know why you get so upset over other people disagreeing with you, that it forces you continually lie("Chip said Mike gives us the best chance to win"), ignore simple logic("what does Mike not being able to learn a system in 3 years have to do with his ability to learn a new one in 6 months?"), and to tell people they have to respect a coach's decisions, in a thread you started purely to question his very hiring in.

Just what is it about simple differences of opinion, that forces you to so comically humiliate yourself in failed attempts to "debate" them?

Seriously.

What about a varied opinion forces you to denude yourself of any dignity what-so-ever?

Daily?

[wildturtle]

lusid42, on 24 February 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Wait.  What is the upside of keeping Vick?  Aging and injury prone to say the least.  You can't honestly think we'll do anything important with him under center.  So if he starts, it just ends up as a year where guy who we already know can't do the job is in, instead of trying out someone else.  Maybe that guy can't do the job either, but at least we don't already know that for sure.  It was a bad re signing and a waste of money.  On top of all that, if one thing (other than Vick being terrible) has been clear in recent years, its that that locker room needs a change of culture.  Coaching changes only go so far for that.  A big part of coaching changes turning around teams, is also turning over the roster.  If you keep guys who give your team the wrong mentality, then you're team keeps the wrong mentality.  Vick has always in the past been constantly explaining why this year is different, and how this year he's working harder.  He'll keep saying those same things.  Guys who are busy explaining that are guys who aren't busy taking care of their business.  So I hope you like how it's been.  Because the biggest problems still remain.

I guess its nice to be a fan and just say "try someone else" but the eagles need that someone else.  that someone else needs to be capable of running the O that is going to be installed.  If chip has to install a different O for 1 year that sets the entire team back a year if he has a vick or a Dixon then only the QB position is set back until the long term solution becomes available.

[forevereagles]

wildturtle, on 24 February 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

I am in no way a vick fan you can read my past post to see that, but keeping Vick was not a mistake.  Tell me this who else was/ is out there that is capable of running the O that Chip is looking to install?????

I can only think of 2 and the eagles signed them both already (vick and Dixon)

Considering the man himself has said he doesn't know what that will end up being  (until he has a full understanding) of what he has to work with out of those currently on this roster, and who they end up bringing in. I find it funny, that some here seem to know without a doubt just what kind of offense  he will run.

[eagledrew13]

TATE is full of such babies. Literally we have no idea how ANY of his decisions will impact this team....that includes the decIsIon to keep Vick. You can whine like a little b**** about it or you can be intelligent enough to see the product on the field first.

[PhillyGreenMachine]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

he is our head coach support his decisions

So if Chip Kelly holds a gun to your head and says he will shoot you with the gun, you will be okay with it? See how your argument makes you look like a sheep.

BAAAH!

[lusid42]

wildturtle, on 24 February 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

I guess its nice to be a fan and just say "try someone else" but the eagles need that someone else.  that someone else needs to be capable of running the O that is going to be installed.  If chip has to install a different O for 1 year that sets the entire team back a year if he has a vick or a Dixon then only the QB position is set back until the long term solution becomes available.

    What the hell, why Can I not press enter to skip a line?  Besides that, Vick needs to go.  The locker room has to change.  The teams persona has to change.  Vick for better or worse is at the center of the teams identity (obviously its for worse, I mean, seriously).  I'm fine with picking up Dixon.  That is at least an effort to change what is here.  Worst case, he's a backup who knows what Kelly wants and helps out like that.  Vick on the other hand, does not bring positives to the table.  Turn the page and get a fresh start for one thing.  More than that, what do you gain with another year of Vick?  Another year of blaming the o line for him not being able to recognize a defense?  Blame the receivers for him not being able to go through progressions?  Make out TE's worthless because they have to block to buy Vick as much extra time as possible and make up for blitzers he doesn't see????  If anything, over the last three years, he has been a detriment to the others on the team.  Another year of that helps no one but Vick and anyone collecting revenue from the fans who will never see Vick as anything but great.  You hear it on the radio every day.  The fans who can barely tie their own shoes, or run their own lives, yet they've got $60 and LOVE Vick, which makes them the perfect market.

[WR_please]

He's a first year HC and nobody has any idea as to whether he'll be good or bad.  Or how about I do what you want me to do:  "OH WTF!!!  BUT BLEACHER REPORT AND WALTER FOOTBALL SAID IT'S A TERRIBLE HIRE/SIGNING/DRAFT PICK DOEEEEE!!!"

[lusid42]

WR_please, on 24 February 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

He's a first year HC and nobody has any idea as to whether he'll be good or bad.  Or how about I do what you want me to do:  "OH WTF!!!  BUT BLEACHER REPORT AND WALTER FOOTBALL SAID IT'S A TERRIBLE HIRE/SIGNING/DRAFT PICK DOEEEEE!!!"

  Yes.  I want you to come scream about people questioning "where a decision made by the Eagles FO is headed" on an Eagles message board.  That is the correct answer.  Not any kind of reasoning.  Just yelling.  Perfect.....This is a forum.  It's for speculation and opinions and predictions.  Not, "How can I possible know?!?!?!  It's the future!!!!!!  I can't have opinions about the FUTURE!!!!"  Idiot.

[iluvdaeagles]

PhillyGreenMachine, on 24 February 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

So if Chip Kelly holds a gun to your head and says he will shoot you with the gun, you will be okay with it? See how your argument makes you look like a sheep.

BAAAH!

i guess i have to say football decisions to clarify for the kids and extremist around here

[lusid42]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 February 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

from what i saw at oregon chip is a smart coach

i am not going to rag on the decisions he makes till proven otherwise

you dont have to have the same line of thinking.....

idk why people get so upset around here when someone doenst have the same opinion as they do

different individuals different thoughts neal

  Isn't respect supposed to be earned?  A college coach with no NFL experience whatsoever has not exactly earned a ton of credibility.  I'm not discounting entirely the possibility of his success, however, it being possible is not the same as it being probable.  There isn't really much to go on to say: this guy will be able to work with a locker room of grown men with millions of dollars instead of kids who need their scholarships still; this guys system will stand the test of time (aka more than one season); this guy can build a good staff; this guy can build a team in the constraints of the NFL draft and FA; etc.  As far as a new NFL HC goes, he is as unproven and inexperienced as a guy could ever be.  Again, just because there isn't much evidence supporting him that doesn't mean he wont be good or even great, but...it is a lack of evidence.  I think we should all be able to agree that every sound decision should be based on evidence.  In this case, I'm just left to hope the Eagles FO had evidence I'm unaware of.  Maybe he sat down and laid out an amazing all around plan to them.  I don't know.  But from what information is available to me, there is not a lot of cause for optimism.

[iluvdaeagles]

lusid42, on 24 February 2013 - 11:52 PM, said:

I don't know.  But from what information is available to me, there is not a lot of cause for optimism.

lol who would you have been optimistic about?

cheer up

[lusid42]

iluvdaeagles, on 24 February 2013 - 11:58 PM, said:

lol who would you have been optimistic about?

cheer up

Experience in an NFL locker room or designing plays against other NFL level coordinators would have been a good start. Instead we get a guy "leading" the team who has never led actual grown men who were not completely dependent on his approval because they weren't going to the NFL anyway, and who has never drawn up plays factoring for NFL level speed and talent on the other side of the ball, or drawn up plays going up against coaches who by and large are a tier up talent wise from the college level.  That would have made me more optimistic.  I personally think re treads are the best.  Take a guy whose first shot was with a bad organization who has had a few years to regroup, who knows not to jump at any opportunity, and has learned a few lessons.  Not some arrogant guy from College who doesn't even know how much he doesn't know.  "Football is football."  Incredibly disheartening to have heard that.

[PhillySteaks]

Chances are he won't win here...

The streets are littered with college coaches who failed...

[iluvdaeagles]

lusid42, on 25 February 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

Experience in an NFL locker room or designing plays against other NFL level coordinators would have been a good start. Instead we get a guy "leading" the team who has never led actual grown men who were not completely dependent on his approval because they weren't going to the NFL anyway, and who has never drawn up plays factoring for NFL level speed and talent on the other side of the ball, or drawn up plays going up against coaches who by and large are a tier up talent wise from the college level.  That would have made me more optimistic.  I personally think re treads are the best.  Take a guy whose first shot was with a bad organization who has had a few years to regroup, who knows not to jump at any opportunity, and has learned a few lessons.  Not some arrogant guy from College who doesn't even know how much he doesn't know.  "Football is football."  Incredibly disheartening to have heard that.

which is why he hired guys around him with NFL coaching exp

who would you have hired? names?

[lusid42]

iluvdaeagles, on 25 February 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

which is why he hired guys around him with NFL coaching exp

who would you have hired? names?

Your mom.  Are you kidding?  I'm not in a position to interview candidates, or know who is realistically available.  Does me not knowing what other avenues they could have realistically pursued somehow mitigate the questioning of his signing.  Signing him is a good or bad idea in and of itself. Would you have me believe that the options for HC's are so limited that you would be forced to make a much higher than average risk decision?  I can tell you, from what I know, I would not have hired Kelly.  I would hope that they know what they are doing, that they know things I don't, and have made a good choice, but after the last few years, that's asking a lot.  They have made the worst decision at every juncture.  Am I to believe that was all Reid.  I suppose time will tell, but at the moment, they are not deserving of slack or understanding.  Every move they make should be viewed critically and as an expected failure until they actually change that trend.  If you make ten bad decisions in a rown, don't then ask me to have faith the eleventh decision is a good one and not just more of the same.

[iluvdaeagles]

lusid42, on 25 February 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

  I can tell you, from what I know, I would not have hired Kelly.  

so you can tell us what they shouldnt have done but cant give any suggestion on what they should have done

got it

[NOTW]

Train wreck of a thread right here.

[kevkro64]

Why not have faith in Chip Kelly.   If anything he seems very proven in a lot of important ways and seems like a big prospect.  Maybe the Eagles know what their doing and brought in the right guy(s).  No foul, no penalty at this juncture.

[judunno]

PhillySteaks, on 24 February 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:

Kelly has a lot to prove

Keeping vick is mistake #1....

Unfortunately, we may be starting this process over 3 yrs from now....

Your opinion... and most of those who overreact without thinking about why it makes business sense to restructure him.

[BirdGang45]

I have faith in Chip... until...

he starts to look like this...