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[Ray75]

Although I think there's a real possiblity that they select Eric Fisher or Shariff Floyd with the first pick, I went in another direction... So bare with me...

SF wants at least a second round pick for Alex Smith and Andy and the Chiefs aren’t willing to give up that much. In a suprise move the Eagles ship Nick Foles to KC for their 3th rounder. Look; I like Foles but I don't think he's a good fit here. I wish him nothing but the best and he'll be better of in KC with Andy Reid.

Nnamdi restructures his contract, Eagles save about 8 mln. (if it doesn't work out, he'll be cut next year)

Eagles sign Free Agents Sean Smith (CB), William Moore (or Pat Chung) (Safety), Andre Branch (DT), Michael Johnson (DE).

With the addition of Johnson, Trent Cole becomes expendable. Eagles decide that if a team is willing to give up a 4th round pick, it’ll settle the deal. With pain in my heart; Cole will not be an Eagle next season! I'm not saying Johnson is a better player but I think he might just be a better fit. Even if we don't sign a FA DE, Cole isn't a good fit. He's no OLB, doesn't have the speed to be our Predator and probably isn't a natural fit as a 3/4 DE.

(Of course there’ll be more players cut who don’t fit the new sceme/don’t have a future here/cap-casualties)

Draft;
Now that KC has it's QB in Foles, they select his protector in Joeckel first overall. At 4 Geno Smith is still available. Bills, Cardinals and NY Jets get into a bidding war. One of them is willing to give up their second , their 4th and a conditional 2014 3th round pick.

Round 1; Dion Jordan, DE/OLB, Oregon (could also be Barkevious Mingo or Ezekial Ansah)

Round 2; Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama

Round 2; Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist Mustangs

Eagles use one of their 4th round picks and their 5th to trade back into the second round.

Round 2; Phillip Thomas, S, Fresno State

Round 3; Kyle Long, OT, Oregon

Round 4; Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati

Round 4; Michael Buchanan, DE/OLB, Illinois

Round 6; BPA

Round 7; BPA

I know! You’re probably asking yourself the question; why no CB, why wait to adress OL till the 3th round? Well, I just have the feeling Nnamdi will restructure his contract, they’ll sign a FA CB and therefor will not draft one. Think about it; they still have Marsh and Hughes on the bench and Boykin playing in the slot! As for OL; getting everybody back healthy, will do wonders and Dennis Kelly deserves a shot at RT. With the addition of Kyle Long in the 3th, there’ll be enough depth. A depleted OL like last years is an anomaly! Focussing on Jason Peters heir is not the best way to go right now. Maybe next year!

Offense;

-   QB;    Vick, Dixon, Edwards
-   OL; Peters, Mathis, Kelce, Kelly/Long, Herreman/Watkins
-   RB; McCoy, Brown, Lewis
-   WR;   Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Cooper, Johnson, McNutt
-   TE; Celek, Harbor, Kelce
-   FB; Havili, Igwenangu

Defense;
   -   DB’s; Asomugha, Moore, Thomas and Smith
   -   LB’s; Ryans, Kendricks, Graham/Curry (Predator), Jordan, Buchanon
   -   DL;    Branch/Williams (NT/DT), Cox, Hunt, Johnson, Thornton, Graham/Curry, (Jordan/Buchanon)


Dion Jordan and Michael Buchanon are hybride DE/OLB and can be used in the 4/3, 4/3 under and 3/4. Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry are both predators in 4/3 under, could be OLB in 3/4 or DE in traditional 4/3. These 4 players give the Eagles the flexibility to switch from a traditional 4/3 to a 4/3 under and even to a 3/4 defense. Like Roseman said; defense has to become more versatile…

[dawk1977]

There is no way dion's body holds up to the pounding of the NFL.  You really need to rethink this option.  IF we traded back to 7 and got eric fisher or ezekial ansah I would be perfectly fine.  Just compare his body to ray lewis and his 17 year career.  There is no comparison.

[GoEagles614]

I hope to gawd we don't waste a pick on a QB this year.

If any of these guys came out last or next year they'd all take a round or two drop

[Ray75]

dawk1977, on 26 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

There is no way dion's body holds up to the pounding of the NFL.  You really need to rethink this option.  IF we traded back to 7 and got eric fisher or ezekial ansah I would be perfectly fine.  Just compare his body to ray lewis and his 17 year career.  There is no comparison.

I'm with you! But Jordan, he's talented! Like I said; won't be shocked if they pick Fisher, Ansah or Mingo... All fine with me!

[Ray75]

GoEagles614, on 26 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

I hope to gawd we don't waste a pick on a QB this year.

If any of these guys came out last or next year they'd all take a round or two drop

You're right in that there is no RG3 or Luck in this draft. Could even argue that there's no QB worthy picking in the first round. That's the reason I was willing to trade only a fifth round pick (the other 4th we received in a trade) to get Manuel. It's not that I'm spending a first or valuable second on him, right?!

[GoEagles614]

Ray75, on 26 February 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

You're right in that there is no RG3 or Luck in this draft. Could even argue that there's no QB worthy picking in the first round. That's the reason I was willing to trade only a fifth round pick (the other 4th we received in a trade) to get Manuel. It's not that I'm spending a first or valuable second on him, right?!

Every pick in the draft should be held with a high value. So it doesn't matter when, I think QB isn't a good pick this year. Because next year you'll be drafting another.

Somewhat like the Browns

[BtotheH]

GoEagles614, on 26 February 2013 - 10:42 AM, said:

Every pick in the draft should be held with a high value. So it doesn't matter when, I think QB isn't a good pick this year. Because next year you'll be drafting another.

Somewhat like the Browns

Yea but he traded Foles. So that would only leaves us Dixon and Vick at camp. I wouldn't waste a good second rounder on a QB, but if we do trade back into the second round that nets us two picks in the second round, I would be okay with drafting a QB in the 3rd or 5th round. But the whole idea of trading back into the 2nd round again would be to fill a void on defense (safety or corner).

[GoEagles614]

BtotheH, on 26 February 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

Yea but he traded Foles. So that would only leaves us Dixon and Vick at camp. I wouldn't waste a good second rounder on a QB, but if we do trade back into the second round that nets us two picks in the second round, I would be okay with drafting a QB in the 3rd or 5th round. But the whole idea of trading back into the 2nd round again would be to fill a void on defense (safety or corner).

Use the picks on players that contribute immediately, sign a one year vet QB to be 2nd or 3rd. Draft QB next year.

[Ray75]

GoEagles614, on 26 February 2013 - 11:02 AM, said:

Use the picks on players that contribute immediately, sign a one year vet QB to be 2nd or 3rd. Draft QB next year.

What player(s) would you like me to pick instead of Manuel (4th and 5th)? Like to hear your suggestions!

[GoEagles614]

Well you're using those to trade back into the 2nd.

If have to go with Amerson or Rhodes if they last til the 2nd. QB isn't worth it this year.

If you kept the 3rd, 4th and 5th with your scenario.

Jon Bostic ILB
Corey Lemonior OLB/DE
Dwayne Gratz or Tyrann Matheiu

E.J Manuel < Three possible starters/impact players.

[Robbieb77]

GoEagles614, on 26 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

I hope to gawd we don't waste a pick on a QB this year.

If any of these guys came out last or next year they'd all take a round or two drop

Barkley?

[rstarter]

dawk1977, on 26 February 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

There is no way dion's body holds up to the pounding of the NFL.  You really need to rethink this option.  IF we traded back to 7 and got eric fisher or ezekial ansah I would be perfectly fine.  Just compare his body to ray lewis and his 17 year career.  There is no comparison.

We're in a very good position to get Fisher AND  a player with similar measurables to Ansah. I'm set on this: the 2nd round pick should go to selecting Margus Hunt. 6' 8" and VERY quick first (and 2nd, third,...) step. Even though he's from a small conference he has enough of a base to get started in the league, and is green enough to be coached up by the team. IMHO he's a first round guy that we should nab on day 2.

[Hawley081887]

rstarter, on 26 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

We're in a very good position to get Fisher AND  a player with similar measurables to Ansah. I'm set on this: the 2nd round pick should go to selecting Margus Hunt. 6' 8" and VERY quick first (and 2nd, third,...) step. Even though he's from a small conference he has enough of a base to get started in the league, and is green enough to be coached up by the team. IMHO he's a first round guy that we should nab on day 2.

Couldnt agree more with you.  Hunt looks like a beast, but still very raw.

[GoEagles614]

rstarter, on 26 February 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

We're in a very good position to get Fisher AND  a player with similar measurables to Ansah. I'm set on this: the 2nd round pick should go to selecting Margus Hunt. 6' 8" and VERY quick first (and 2nd, third,...) step. Even though he's from a small conference he has enough of a base to get started in the league, and is green enough to be coached up by the team. IMHO he's a first round guy that we should nab on day 2.

Margus is like Bruce Campbell a few years ago, freakish athlete, but gets exposed on the field.

[dawk1977]

you know what, I saw margus in alot of mocks but never paid any attention.  He looks really good.  Definitely worth a second round pick.  Alot of times guys like him go at the end of the 1rst round though.

[rstarter]

Dion Jordan sure has picked up a lot of buzz post combine, but as nice as his coverage abilities are let's not kid ourselves we're drafting him to rush the qb. He does have the physicality to dominate but at the #4 it's just too high a price. Better to get a tackle (and I sure do hope Joeckel is the guy, but Fisher is a good compromise) that will be effective, and then use the 2nd pick on a medium risk but high reward guy like Hunt.

[ThaPhenom]

rstarter, on 26 February 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Dion Jordan sure has picked up a lot of buzz post combine, but as nice as his coverage abilities are let's not kid ourselves we're drafting him to rush the qb. He does have the physicality to dominate but at the #4 it's just too high a price. Better to get a tackle (and I sure do hope Joeckel is the guy, but Fisher is a good compromise) that will be effective, and then use the 2nd pick on a medium risk but high reward guy like Hunt.

and after that we'll totally forget that we need CBs and Safeties and get burned on every play again??

[rstarter]

ThaPhenom, on 26 February 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

and after that we'll totally forget that we need CBs and Safeties and get burned on every play again??

After what went down yesterday we need to get quality guys up front. We could have the best backfield but with no pressure we know what happens.

[ThaPhenom]

rstarter, on 26 February 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

After what went down yesterday we need to get quality guys up front. We could have the best backfield but with no pressure we know what happens.

or we could have the best front 7 but with no backfield we know what happens...... cause we saw it last year

[SBorBust]

ThaPhenom, on 26 February 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

or we could have the best front 7 but with no backfield we know what happens...... cause we saw it last year

The key phrase being, "Best front seven."

Every position is a need. Just get the best guy.

[ThaPhenom]

SBorBust, on 26 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

The key phrase being, "Best front seven."

Every position is a need. Just get the best guy.

well obviously.... but our secondary is a little more hurt then our LBs and our DL so atleast 1 of our 1st 2 picks gotta be either a CB or a S

[James40]

Robbieb77, on 26 February 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

Barkley?

I wonder if he suffer's from the weak 2011 QBs, like Gabbert and Locker.  Even Tannehill went too early last year.

[Ray75]

rstarter, on 26 February 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Dion Jordan sure has picked up a lot of buzz post combine, but as nice as his coverage abilities are let's not kid ourselves we're drafting him to rush the qb. He does have the physicality to dominate but at the #4 it's just too high a price. Better to get a tackle (and I sure do hope Joeckel is the guy, but Fisher is a good compromise) that will be effective, and then use the 2nd pick on a medium risk but high reward guy like Hunt.

How about this? Still not willing to change my first pick. Only if Nnamdi doesn't want to restructure and they cut him...then I would like them to draft Milliner. Would you like to help me out with the rest of my draft?

[Ray75]

GoEagles614, on 26 February 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

I hope to gawd we don't waste a pick on a QB this year.

If any of these guys came out last or next year they'd all take a round or two drop

How about this? Wanna help me out with my mock?

[rstarter]

Ray75, on 27 February 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

How about this? Still not willing to change my first pick. Only if Nnamdi doesn't want to restructure and they cut him...then I would like them to draft Milliner. Would you like to help me out with the rest of my draft?

I'd really like a safety in the 3rd and a defensive tackle/NT/best player available in the 4th. The regime change sure has revealed a lot of deficiencies that will be hard to address in one year. I don't anticipate having another high draft pick in the next couple of years though, and even if the achilles doesn't do Peters in age most def will eventually; therefore, I vouch for Joeckel/Fisher.