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[whodi.]

http://www.philadelp...1e-f1b7ba758201

Talking about Vick:

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"There are a whole lot of guys in this league who have talent and abilities. But the ones who become great are the ones who put that together with the great desire to work at it," Lazor explained. "I'm excited because I know Michael's competitiveness. I think, watching the video, you see a skill set. You can probably watch ESPN highlights to see what his physical skill set is. But I've had enough knowledge of him first-hand, being in the meetings and watching him on the field and watching him accept coaching, that I have great confidence that it's going to work."

Talking about Foles:

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"When he was in the pocket in the National Football League, he looked like he belonged," Lazor said. "He had a certain poise and calmness to him. He looked like he could play the game; it wasn't going too fast for him. It looked like, from a video perspective, he had a confidence about him. I was really impressed.

"You see a lot of guys come into this league, even years into their development, who don't give you that sense when they're in the pocket. They're jittery; their feet are moving. (Foles') head was calm, moving through the progression; his feet were calm. So I said, ‘This guy looks like he can handle himself.'"

Ignoring the fact that this is a fluff piece from the team, I read that part about Vick and thought "Oh great, more deluded coaches that think they can turn Vick into the perfect QB." Why won't these guys learn from EVERY OTHER coach to ever coach Vick and see that it's not gonna happen? "Vick is fast with a rocket arm, if we could just get him to play smart." Except you can't teach intelligence. Vick has proved he's dumber than a box of rocks countless times. The most obvious time was when he said himself he needs to slide more after a week of being derided for not doing it, and HE STILL DIDN'T SLIDE. The guy is a grade-A moron who is killing himself and the team.

But Bill Lazor is gonna change that. *pukes*

Edit: inb4 another Vick thread whining. There's nothing going on today.

[Iggles_Phan]

Here's why Vick is still here:

From wikipedia...

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Lazor entered the NFL coaching ranks in 2003 under head coach Dan Reeves as the Atlanta Falcons offensive quality control coach.

In other words, he remembers Vick from when he was a threat to run... but he's not that guy anymore!

[Solomon]

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You can probably watch ESPN highlights to see what his physical skill set is.

This tells me all I need to know about Lazor and his evaluation skills. Watch ESPN for his highlights? Vick hasn't been a highlight on ESPN since 2010. Everyone always thinks they can "fix" Vick. Luckily, Vick won't be here at all next season, so there's that silver lining.

[Clamdigger]

Vick has no problem taking coaching. The problem he has is not fully understanding why they do what they do. With decent protection, Vick will execute plays to a tee - but when he's presented with something that confuses him, he improvises with his legs because it's always been his strength. It's going to take a great play caller and strategist to hand-feed him the plays, but I think they're right about his ability to execute an offense.

I hope they put him through tons of broken play scenarios so he can get comfortable with what his WR's are going to do and what he can/should do when protection breaks down.

That's why people like Foles. If he can get his mechanics to where they need to be, he has that mental maturity and balls that it takes to be a good QB.

I don't see them moving Foles. The league isn't shifting towards mobile QB's because they're more effective, it's shifting to mobile QB's because they're easier to find and develop an effective offense around. Finding a solid pocket passer that can make the right decisions on the field isn't easy.


My favorite thing about Foles is that he got absolutely destroyed on some hits and he never looked around for a flag.

Solomon, on 26 February 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

This tells me all I need to know about Lazor and his evaluation skills. Watch ESPN for his highlights? Vick hasn't been a highlight on ESPN since 2010. Everyone always thinks they can "fix" Vick. Luckily, Vick won't be here at all next season, so there's that silver lining.

Your hate is clouding your memory. Vick had some ridiculous highlights in 2011 too.



For how bad it was, the 2011 offense was really impressive at times. Look at the run blocking. Unreal.

Also, Vick's "air ukelele" is the best thing ever.

[whodi.]

Solomon, on 26 February 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

This tells me all I need to know about Lazor and his evaluation skills. Watch ESPN for his highlights? Vick hasn't been a highlight on ESPN since 2010. Everyone always thinks they can "fix" Vick. Luckily, Vick won't be here at all next season, so there's that silver lining.

Unless he somehow starts, somehow wins 8 games and shows just enough to get another season. This is why we needed to cut bait with Vick along with AR. Vick took on ARs worst trait!

[Footballman175]

Why the hell would a QB coach say to look at someone's ESPN Highlights...the only ones that were from 3 years ago?

[alfduh]

Vick made so many plays In those 2011 highlights

And peters is a huge reason we were so bad last year. I forget how much of a freak he is

[kmass88]

alfduh, on 26 February 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Vick made so many plays In those 2011 highlights

And peters is a huge reason we were so bad last year. I forget how much of a freak he is

According to the Fole H.oes he shouldn't even be on an NFL team. Didn't the coaches get enough tape not just highlights to see that he should be flipping burgers by now?

[New Zealand Eagle]

Bradford got absolutely pummeled in that first game.

[PhillyBirds5_36_86]

New Zealand Eagle, on 26 February 2013 - 06:47 PM, said:

Bradford got absolutely pummeled in that first game.

And Ryan in the following. Can't believe they got through those games

[Iggles_Phan]

Clamdigger, on 26 February 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Vick has no problem taking coaching. The problem he has is not fully understanding why they do what they do. With decent protection, Vick will execute plays to a tee - but when he's presented with something that confuses him, he improvises with his legs because it's always been his strength. It's going to take a great play caller and strategist to hand-feed him the plays, but I think they're right about his ability to execute an offense.

I hope they put him through tons of broken play scenarios so he can get comfortable with what his WR's are going to do and what he can/should do when protection breaks down.

That's why people like Foles. If he can get his mechanics to where they need to be, he has that mental maturity and balls that it takes to be a good QB.

I don't see them moving Foles. The league isn't shifting towards mobile QB's because they're more effective, it's shifting to mobile QB's because they're easier to find and develop an effective offense around. Finding a solid pocket passer that can make the right decisions on the field isn't easy.


My favorite thing about Foles is that he got absolutely destroyed on some hits and he never looked around for a flag.




Your hate is clouding your memory. Vick had some ridiculous highlights in 2011 too.

[media]http://youtu.be/A9laJsgriUE[/media]

For how bad it was, the 2011 offense was really impressive at times. Look at the run blocking. Unreal.

Also, Vick's "air ukelele" is the best thing ever.

Yes, some great plays, and some absolutely mind baffling ones.  The biggest hole in Vick's game with the Eagles has been ball security and injuries:

2010: 12 starts 6 Ints, and 11 fumbles (3 lost)
2011: 13 starts 14 Ints, 10 fumbles (4 lost)
2012: 10 starts 10 Ints, 11 fumbles (5 lost)


Not to mention the inefficiency in the red zone... so I guess that's 3 problems - all of them are killers to the win-loss record.

[PhillySteaks]

Competitiveness..that is to laugh..

Well he is competing on turning the ball over the most...this lazor needs to get his eyes checked or realize its 2013, not 2003..

[BirdGang45]

Think Lazor will be a hell of a coach, but Vick is trash my man. He is so competitive he scores points for the other team.

[iluvdaeagles]

vick will win the job

[BirdGang45]

iluvdaeagles, on 26 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

vick will win the job

Thats fine its only for a year. Its he wins the competition flat out, then thats fine

[iluvdaeagles]

BirdGang45, on 26 February 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

Thats fine its only for a year. Its he wins the competition flat out, then thats fine

of course its only for a year

bridge qb

but he will win the job

[kevkro64]

iluvdaeagles, on 26 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

vick will win the job

iluvdaeagles, on 27 February 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

of course its only for a year

bridge qb

but he will win the job

Recorded.  Your bet is placed.

[BirdGang45]

iluvdaeagles, on 27 February 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

of course its only for a year

bridge qb

but he will win the job

Thats fine, i trust Chip to make it work.

[downsoufeagleluva]

Everybody has an opinion I just can't believe that there are so many dumfux in here that think they know more than paid NFL coaches and are so willing to put their football ignorance on blast because they hate one guy so much......if Vick sucks so badly he should just be a camp body this year right?  But the 1-6 rookie has all the right stuff?  We have 4 big arse question marks at QB and are probably going to bring in one more. Teams get better with real competition. Lazor is going to be fine here.

[eephraim]

Snow storm coming again. I hate February.

[Phila.:chip]

iluvdaeagles, on 26 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

vick will win the job

Vick already won the job.

[iluvdaeagles]

kevkro64, on 27 February 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

Recorded.  Your bet is placed.

its been placed....i have been saying vick will be the starter in 2013 since december

[Clamdigger]

Iggles_Phan, on 26 February 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Yes, some great plays, and some absolutely mind baffling ones.  The biggest hole in Vick's game with the Eagles has been ball security and injuries:

2010: 12 starts 6 Ints, and 11 fumbles (3 lost)
2011: 13 starts 14 Ints, 10 fumbles (4 lost)
2012: 10 starts 10 Ints, 11 fumbles (5 lost)


Not to mention the inefficiency in the red zone... so I guess that's 3 problems - all of them are killers to the win-loss record.

Not arguing with you. I wanted him gone, but the hate around here has overtaken facts.

[whodi.]

Clamdigger, on 27 February 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Not arguing with you. I wanted him gone, but the hate around here has overtaken facts.

I don't know about anyone else but I used to love Vick. In 2010 he had a quiet warrior vibe going. He was humble, and playing out of his mind. Then came 2011, he was mostly a disappointment. I wasn't ready to give up on him, though and wanted to see him turn it around in 2012. He didn't. He got worse and I had to finally give up on him.

I liked Foles since preaseason last year. Then he proved he can play in the regular season and showed some really great traits, but also some things he needs to work on. However, I fully expect Foles to win out the QB competition if he isn't traded, then I hope the team is smart enough to cut/trade Vick. At this point the guy is just a distraction.

The Vick **** have finally come slob the knob of their hero. With the king Vick **** saying a brilliant one-liner "vick will win the job". The guy should be a writer. He always backs up his bold statements.

"Confidence - it's the food of the wise man, but the liquor of the fool"

[Dirty 30 Sucks]

downsoufeagleluva, on 27 February 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

Everybody has an opinion I just can't believe that there are so many dumfux in here that think they know more than paid NFL coaches and are so willing to put their football ignorance on blast because they hate one guy so much......if Vick sucks so badly he should just be a camp body this year right?  But the 1-6 rookie has all the right stuff?  We have 4 big arse question marks at QB and are probably going to bring in one more. Teams get better with real competition. Lazor is going to be fine here.

only Eagles fans think Foles is better than Vick. People that study the tape realize that even though Vick isn't a great QB or even a good one, he still has a higher ceiling at 33 than Foles does based on his limited tape. Now Foles is also on the team, so the fact that people are complaining about an open competition suggests they are scared Foles wont actually win.

[Lloyd]

downsoufeagleluva, on 27 February 2013 - 03:42 AM, said:

Everybody has an opinion I just can't believe that there are so many dumfux in here that think they know more than paid NFL coaches

Right. Because paid NFL coaches are never wrong.

Dirty 30 Sucks, on 27 February 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

only Eagles fans think Foles is better than Vick. People that study the tape realize that even though Vick isn't a great QB or even a good one, he still has a higher ceiling at 33 than Foles does based on his limited tape. Now Foles is also on the team, so the fact that people are complaining about an open competition suggests they are scared Foles wont actually win.

I can't speak for others, but the fact that we're having a QB competition doesn't make me scared that Foles won't win.  It makes me scared that we're becoming the type of team that has a QB competition.  

I mean, christ, just name a starter and go with it.  Going into camp pretending that you have 2 quality starters at QB just means that you have zero quality starters at QB.

[whodi.]

Dirty 30 Sucks, on 27 February 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

only Eagles fans think Foles is better than Vick. People that study the tape realize that even though Vick isn't a great QB or even a good one, he still has a higher ceiling at 33 than Foles does based on his limited tape. Now Foles is also on the team, so the fact that people are complaining about an open competition suggests they are scared Foles wont actually win.

A ceiling so high that he only reached it for 10 games in 2010. Yeah Vick totally has a higher ceiling than Foles. Unfortunately he's 33 and will never play at that level again. Seriously do you people even watch the games? Vick can't achieve anything if he only plays 10-12 games a year. Judging by the past it's all but a certainty that he misses significant time. You really support him being the guy knowing this? It's so irrational that the only explanation is that you're a Vick fan first and an Eagles fan second.

As for being "scared" that Foles loses the QB competition. Not in the slightest. I want Vick gone because I hate his personality and think that he has noting more to offer in terms of playing the game. He's delusional and that delusion spreads to the rest of the team. Which is why after going 12-20 some of these idiot players are still talking about how talented they are and not talking about how bad they have been and how they can improve. That all stems from Vick. "It was meant to be" "God willed it" "I left it all out there" "What happens, happens". There is no way a rational man can look at Vick and see him as a positive for the team. Only **** are too blind to see the truth.

If Foles loses the QB competition I would chalk it up to him not being as good as I thought and move on. Or maybe I should go the Vick **** route and hold out hope that he'll put it all together in his 11th year.

[badmeetsevil]

Some of you have severe reading comprehension issues.

First it is a fluff piece. Foles could be traded tomorrow if they truly internally don't care for him. Vick can be cut before week 1 if they like what they see iN Foles and Dixon from now till training camp.

What he said about the ESPN highlights comment was "I DON'T HAVE TO SELL YOU ON HIS PHYSICAL SKILL SET BECAUSE ANYONE CAN SEE THAT EVEN IF ALL YOU DO IS WATCH ESPN HIGHLIGHTS" but that his concern was Vick accepting coaching and working behind the scenes which he has seen enough of now to know that if Vick is the guy they go with they are confident they can make it work. How did you guys miss that? That he isn't concerned with the physical tool set, its evident and its there. They are more worried about him accepting a new system, coaching staff, complete new way of doing things, and whether he is committed to that.

He also then goes on to praise Foles. So if they coach is stupid for thinking he can make it work with VIck, then he must also be wrong on his analysis on Foles no? Besides its just a ONE YEAR DEAL during a transition year for a coach and staff basically rebuilding the entire structure.

They have so many holes and needs that there is no way they are competing for a championship with either of the QBs they have on the roster as of now. I don't get why its so hard for people to accept. This draft class isn't good or deep for QBs. Foles isn't a clear cut answer. The OLINE is a mess, the DLINE needs DT help, they possibly are switching to a 3-4 system, they barely have one good LB, no safeties of NFL caliber, and two CBs who severely underperformed and might need both replaced. Yet all people want to complain about is VIck for 1 year? Or the QB coach in a fluff piece talking highly about both QBs who might not even be here a year from now?

[badmeetsevil]

Only **** are too blind to see the truth? Please tell me you are not saying what I think you are saying.

And as a counter to your entire post, from all accounts and even previous Vick doubters in the media, Vick was a team player, always putting in time in the film room, practice field, and taking his job seriously. Cause quite honestly he has no other option if he wants to stay in the league. The problem isn't if he puts in the work behind the scenes, but why it doesn't translate to the playing field.

Poor redzone offense has been an issue for a Reid offense since before Vick took over. It was fine in 2010 for a while but once defense's adjusted, Reid and Vick never did.

Again its only a 1 year deal. Vick won't be here in 2014 short of winning comeback player of the year, MVP, and winning a SB. What is the issue really? Chip wants to use VIck as a guinea pig to see to what extent he can implement his style of offense. And who knows since his style actually relies on running the ball, even a broken QB like Vick can play better than he did under the crazy pass happy offense Reid ran.

[Lloyd]

What is a "Vick ****?"  The fact that you're unwilling to spell it out just makes you seem like a scumbag.  And, I gotta be honest, I'm kinda feeling like I have to report you.