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Protests and Change

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Dave, I don't want this post to get embroiled into another debate over the protests during the National Anthem. Instead, I'm wondering if the Front Office would be open to using its platform to facilitate a healthy conversation between Philadelphia's police force and with those concerned about police brutality in the Philly area. This fan would respect a move by the org. 

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How about the Front Office uses its platform to build a championship football team and provide entertainment for its paying customers, and leave the 'conversation' about alleged police brutality to people who actually know what the hell they are talking about?           This fan would respect that a hell of a lot more.

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1 hour ago, mjkvol said:

How about the Front Office uses its platform to build a championship football team and provide entertainment for its paying customers, and leave the 'conversation' about alleged police brutality to people who actually know what the hell they are talking about?           This fan would respect that a hell of a lot more.

Can end this thread now.

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Not sure it's either/or. And I'm not suggesting that the FO take a side. Just that they open a dialogue. That said, the emotion in this thread already is probably a good part of the reason it couldn't be considered. 

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There can't be a dialogue. Are blacks oppressed more by law enforcement than other groups? No. We have data that already supports this. Actual, verifiable facts. So no, a professional sports team doesn't need to take the initiative to "open a dialogue" about an issue that doesn't exist just because the media chases race wars the way a cat chases a pen light. There's a football game tonight, one I'm really excited about. 

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1 hour ago, Highboy said:

There can't be a dialogue. Are blacks oppressed more by law enforcement than other groups? No. We have data that already supports this. Actual, verifiable facts. So no, a professional sports team doesn't need to take the initiative to "open a dialogue" about an issue that doesn't exist just because the media chases race wars the way a cat chases a pen light. There's a football game tonight, one I'm really excited about. 

Oh, okay. My bad. What was I thinking? 

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7 hours ago, Highboy said:

There can't be a dialogue. Are blacks oppressed more by law enforcement than other groups? No. We have data that already supports this. Actual, verifiable facts. So no, a professional sports team doesn't need to take the initiative to "open a dialogue" about an issue that doesn't exist just because the media chases race wars the way a cat chases a pen light. 

Edited to make it perfect.

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15 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Edited to make it perfect.

I don't know how you can't appreciate some of of the football this team has played the first two weeks this season. Pederson's playcalling, Wentz's command of of the offense. Not going to overreact but definitely fun to watch. 

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6 hours ago, Highboy said:

I don't know how you can't appreciate some of of the football this team has played the first two weeks this season. Pederson's playcalling, Wentz's command of of the offense. Not going to overreact but definitely fun to watch. 

Wentz is clearly the real deal - his poise is very impressive, he looks like a veteran in the huddle and at the line of scrimmage, and he can make all the throws.       The potential is there for him to be a big time QB.           So far, so good with Pederson's playcalling and game management, but those were two dreadful teams they beat.        But good teams are supposed to beat up on bad teams, and the Eagles did that.

I'm just not excited about it anymore, HB.         The NFL isn't 'must watch' the way it always used to be, and the quality of play is so absolutely putrid it's scary.        Every game is a matter of what team will look worse - Dallas / Washington was a classic example.         The Pats are about the only team left where you can count on good, sound team football from week to week.

The Eagles seem to be as good as anyone else in a very bad league.       I don't see the team they flat out can't beat in the NFC, and that speaks volumes because I look at this Eagles team on paper and I see 8-8.           The trick will be getting beyond being pretty good, which will be out of Roseman and Pederson's comfort zone.        They both have known nothing but this level throughout their careers, and taking that next step can be like your first dive into the deep end of the pool.

 

 

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This was a good try, Erie.  And in truth, it might be a little easier in real life than here.  As you know very well, the EMB is a bit of a knucklehead magnet.

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and a self-righteous hypocrite magnet. 

which is why avoiding all that and sticking to football-related discussion is such a good idea. 

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~meh~  Standard rationalization.  Pretty boring really.  Mostly that just helps you avoid challenging yourself and asking hard questions.

At least those that you describe as "self-righteous" are trying to be righteous.  Too many people give no evidence whatsoever of actually caring about others or caring at all about right & wrong.  Erie does care.  And so do I.  And so do many others.  No one's claiming to be perfect.  But trying matters.

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2 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

~meh~  Standard rationalization.  Pretty boring really.  Mostly that just helps you avoid challenging yourself and asking hard questions.

At least those that you describe as "self-righteous" are trying to be righteous.  Too many people give no evidence whatsoever of actually caring about others or caring at all about right & wrong.  Erie does care.  And so do I.  And so do many others.  No one's claiming to be perfect.  But trying matters.

nah. all you do is talk trash on Christian conservatives and say that nobody cares unless they care the specific way that your personal politics demand.

It gets really old. 

for example, I know from CVON that you think Americans should give up most of our prosperity and the personal things we have worked for, in order to share with those less fortunate around the world. And you feel that the best way to accomplish it, is to bring waves of people into this country (including illegals), and then redistribute American citizen's wealth to them.

You think it should be a political policy enforced by government, and that anyone who disagrees is horrible and a racist or something. That's where the self-righteousness creeps in.  And you flat out disagree with Conservatives who think that giving is good, but is supposed to be voluntary, and a matter of individual conscience.  

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5 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

~meh~  Standard rationalization.  Pretty boring really.  Mostly that just helps you avoid challenging yourself and asking hard questions.

At least those that you describe as "self-righteous" are trying to be righteous.  Too many people give no evidence whatsoever of actually caring about others or caring at all about right & wrong.  Erie does care.  And so do I.  And so do many others.  No one's claiming to be perfect.  But trying matters.

Caring is great but I think verifiable evidence matters. The reason I said to the OP that there can't be a dialogue is because no one agrees what the facts actually are. Until one side is willing to do that, dialogue is impossible. 

Malcolm Jenkins took to Twitter to publicly ridicule Ben Carson for referring to African American slaves as immigrants yet completely ignored Obama doing the same thing. Why? Because Carson  didn't take the position that most in the black community feel he should take and Obama did. ESPN First Take did entire segments on police shooting black criminals and "systematic racism". Yet not once did they mention the fact that a police officer is almost 18 times more likely to be shot and killed by an African-American citizen than the African American citizen is to be shot and killed by a cop. Raw data had no place.

The idea that the front office of a professional football team is somehow morally obligated to open up the dialogue that the original poster suggested is simply giving voice to fake social justice warrior outrage. 

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Protests and Change

 

 

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Locking this post. NOT looking for debate. 

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