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Oakland Raiders filed relocation papers to move to Las Vegas; NFL to vote

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This may be the time in history we look back on as the impetus of the NFL jumping the shark.

Head injuries, inconsistent enforcement of arbitrary rules both on and off the field, teams changing cities like it's Madden and undermining the heritage...

All we need to push this further is an 18-game regular season, more teams able to qualify for the playoffs, Tuesday and Wednesday night games for more tv revenue, and more games in London, Mexico City, Tokyo, Bali, and Sri Lanka. 

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6 hours ago, Boss Hawg said:

... with the Chargers (Still don't get that move)

That's where they started, so they're just going home.

 

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2 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

That's where they started, so they're just going home.

 

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If I'm Spanos, I go back to that logo and their original 1960 design jerseys for the move back to their original home.

I doubt many realized before now the Chargers were in fact originally the LA Chargers.

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If the team moves to Vegas, I am done rooting for them.. It's Oakland or nowhere. I will defect to no other team.. F the NFL messing with the Rams, Chargers and now my team and the Colts before.. stop moving franchises..

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17 minutes ago, OaktownGangstah said:

If the team moves to Vegas, I am done rooting for them.. It's Oakland or nowhere. I will defect to no other team.. F the NFL messing with the Rams, Chargers and now my team and the Colts before.. stop moving franchises..

It was Al Davis who won the right in court 35 years ago to move the Raiders to Los Angeles, which they did for the 1982 season.  The Colts move was done in 1984 to beat the City of Baltimore from taking the team from the Irsays (whom Paul Tagliabue should have forced to give up the Colts name when the original Browns moved to Baltimore for the 1996 season, even going as far as to give the Colts the top two picks in the draft for three years and exempting them from the Salary Cap and so forth in exchange for doing so).  It just happened Indy had the Hooiser Dome (later RCA Dome, which had already been built for Indy to land the Final Four among other events) ready to go at that point.

In the case of the Rams, that more had to do as I remember in 1994 with Georgia Frontierre being tired of playing second fiddle to the Lakers.  The Rosenblooms (sons of Carroll Rosenbloom, who owned the team until he drowned in 1979 as I remember) were forced to sell the team upon Ms. Frontierre's death due to estate taxes and that's how Kronke (who actually was part of the move to St. Louis in 1995 as well as the move back) wound up with them.

The Chargers for years wanted (and actually needed) a new stadium in San Diego, but that was not only about funding, but also about where they stadium would be located (Chargers wanted it downtown, city wanted it where Qualcomm is).

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10 hours ago, Boss Hawg said:

I love the move. LA is already going to be saturated with football with the Chargers (Still don't get that move) and the Rams in the same city. NFL isn't as highly touted in LA like it used to be with the Rams and Raiders. Oakland's move will ensure they get a good crowd every home game. Tourists will want to go for a game and to stay. Homebodies have already done the Vegas gambling schtick, so you have those fans. Then you have California fans who would drive through the desert to get to Vegas. It's really not that far. Not to mention fans (both Raiders and other teams) from other states who would go to Vegas anyways. Why not throw a game in there to.

Hard to see the team not get the 24 votes. It works out for the Raiders, Vegas and the NFL as a whole. That's a butt load of revenue.

Exactly.  It could actually be a boon for Vegas among the football faithful.  Many fans would plan a Vegas vacation around their team's road game against the Raiders.

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45 minutes ago, Wallyhorse said:

It was Al Davis who won the right in court 35 years ago to move the Raiders to Los Angeles, which they did for the 1982 season.  The Colts move was done in 1984 to beat the City of Baltimore from taking the team from the Irsays (whom Paul Tagliabue should have forced to give up the Colts name when the original Browns moved to Baltimore for the 1996 season, even going as far as to give the Colts the top two picks in the draft for three years and exempting them from the Salary Cap and so forth in exchange for doing so).  It just happened Indy had the Hooiser Dome (later RCA Dome, which had already been built for Indy to land the Final Four among other events) ready to go at that point.

In the case of the Rams, that more had to do as I remember in 1994 with Georgia Frontierre being tired of playing second fiddle to the Lakers.  The Rosenblooms (sons of Carroll Rosenbloom, who owned the team until he drowned in 1979 as I remember) were forced to sell the team upon Ms. Frontierre's death due to estate taxes and that's how Kronke (who actually was part of the move to St. Louis in 1995 as well as the move back) wound up with them.

The Chargers for years wanted (and actually needed) a new stadium in San Diego, but that was not only about funding, but also about where they stadium would be located (Chargers wanted it downtown, city wanted it where Qualcomm is).

Raiders moved in 1980.  Don't you remember the Eagles losing the SB to the LA Raiders which at the time, had a very small fanbase because of the move.

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this move would be incredibly stupid. Heck, the East Bay of the SF Bay Area has just as large a population as the entire state of Nevada. It's a short-sighted move. 

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On 1/14/2017 at 11:14 AM, bumpy93 said:

just like people thought that Jacksonville would be a better place for a team then Baltimore.

If the NFL wants a team to permanently move to London, they belong there compared to Jacksonville.  They've played the most games in London over the past decade.   At least in England they will called the "JagUars", and not the "JagWires".    

As for the Chargers moving to a 20,000 soccer stadium next year, I can't see how the NFL would allow that to happen.  That's less than a third of the stadium capacity of  Qualcom Stadium.   That's thousands of dollars of lost ticket revenue.   Roger Goodell never likes to lose revenue. 

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On 1/14/2017 at 9:00 PM, Pallidrone said:

Other then legal prostitution what cant you do here that you can do there?

See decent shows, go out in the desert, go to the mountains, go to a zillion different casinos, etc.

Do you really have to ask that question.

54 minutes ago, Iggles said:

If the NFL wants a team to permanently move to London, they belong there compared to Jacksonville.  They've played the most games in London over the past decade.   At least in England they will called the "JagUars", and not the "JagWires".    

As for the Chargers moving to a 20,000 soccer stadium next year, I can't see how the NFL would allow that to happen.  That's less than a third of the stadium capacity of  Qualcom Stadium.   That's thousands of dollars of lost ticket revenue.   Roger Goodell never likes to lose revenue. 

You're thinking short term instead of long term.  Only for a couple of years.  After that, the new stadium will have two full time tenants.

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10 hours ago, Procus said:

Raiders moved in 1980.  Don't you remember the Eagles losing the SB to the LA Raiders which at the time, had a very small fanbase because of the move.

Raiders did not move until after the 1981 season.  Pete Rozelle hated having to give the trophy to Al Davis, whose team was the first to win three road games and four games overall in one postseason (and excluding the 1982 playoffs that due to the strike was expanded to where any team had to win four games to do it has only been done a handful of times since).  

I remember very well how the Raiders almost moved following the 1980 season (their Monday nighter with the Steelers was thought to be the final regular season game in Oakland) but they did stay in Oakland and as I remember their final game before moving to LA was a Monday nighter.

What also hurt the Raiders in LA was their first year there (1982) was in fact the strike year and the Raiders did not play a home game at the LA Coliseum until after the strike.   Had that been a normal season, I suspect the Raiders would have had more momentum in LA and not had quite the attendance issues they did during their time in LA.

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7 hours ago, Procus said:

See decent shows, go out in the desert, go to the mountains, go to a zillion different casinos, etc.

Do you really have to ask that question.

You're thinking short term instead of long term.  Only for a couple of years.  After that, the new stadium will have two full time tenants.

Yes.  And that situation you can thank some very highly uppity residents of Pasadena who basically got an ordinance that forbids the Rose Bowl from having an NFL team be a tenant, even just temporarily.

I would have actually looked at St. Louis and replacing the Rams in the Edward Jones Dome as an option, even if I had to take a year to do necessary renovations to bring it up to 2018 standards and work a deal with the Cardinals to play one season at Busch Stadium while that was done.   

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I saw a story on PFT within the last couple days that San Diego could actually stop the Raiders from moving to LA. Now here's my issue with this. While I don't think it's very likely, it would be quite sketchy for them to pursue the Raiders while being willing to let the Chargers go. If they have the means and goods to try to get the Raiders to San Diego, why didn't they do any of this to keep the Chargers?

Now with that said, again I don't think that San Diego will try to make the move to stop the Raiders from going to Las Vegas but I just wanted to point out that this is still a scenario that could happen.

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On 1/14/2017 at 11:12 AM, Procus said:

Why would any team owner in their right mind choose Oakland over Vegas.  This move will be good for the entire league if it happens.

Oakland is not only gentrifying to a certain extent, but you have San Francisco, San Jose, and all of Silicon Valley all at arms reach and with public transportation running directly to your Stadium's entrance. It's also 70° and low humidity the majority of the football season, versus the epic heat of Vegas and the poor local population. If cost/stadium/etc. wasn't an issue, I think all owners would choose Oakland > LV. 

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I cannot wait until the Eagles play in Vegas. It would be SO much cheaper than flying to Philly. And it's vegas baby who doesn't want to go to vegas?

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32 minutes ago, SpartaKick said:

I cannot wait until the Eagles play in Vegas. It would be SO much cheaper than flying to Philly. And it's vegas baby who doesn't want to go to vegas?

I'm going to vegas on weds but, would have no desire to see a game there. 

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51 minutes ago, SpartaKick said:

I cannot wait until the Eagles play in Vegas. It would be SO much cheaper than flying to Philly. And it's vegas baby who doesn't want to go to vegas?

You and fans of most of the other teams no doubt feel the same way.

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1 hour ago, Procus said:

You and fans of most of the other teams no doubt feel the same way.

I would love to see a game in Philly but Vegas is way closer and way easier. Not saying that I won't go to Philly to watch a game but Vegas would allow me to see lots of games I imagine. 

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11 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Raiders did not move until after the 1981 season.  Pete Rozelle hated having to give the trophy to Al Davis, whose team was the first to win three road games and four games overall in one postseason (and excluding the 1982 playoffs that due to the strike was expanded to where any team had to win four games to do it has only been done a handful of times since).  

I remember very well how the Raiders almost moved following the 1980 season (their Monday nighter with the Steelers was thought to be the final regular season game in Oakland) but they did stay in Oakland and as I remember their final game before moving to LA was a Monday nighter.

What also hurt the Raiders in LA was their first year there (1982) was in fact the strike year and the Raiders did not play a home game at the LA Coliseum until after the strike.   Had that been a normal season, I suspect the Raiders would have had more momentum in LA and not had quite the attendance issues they did during their time in LA.

I stand corrected Wally.  Thanks for pointing this out.

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21 hours ago, Procus said:

You're thinking short term instead of long term.  Only for a couple of years.  After that, the new stadium will have two full time tenants.

If that's the case, why couldn't the LA Chargers share the Coliseum with the Rams until the new stadium is built?  It's not that I'm a Charger fan, but I find that for the first time since the NFL merger, a home team is playing in a stadium smaller than most baseball parks.  Even when the Seahawks, Vikings, and Bears had to play at college stadiums before their new stadiums were built, they held at least 50K+ seats.   

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5 hours ago, Iggles said:

If that's the case, why couldn't the LA Chargers share the Coliseum with the Rams until the new stadium is built?  It's not that I'm a Charger fan, but I find that for the first time since the NFL merger, a home team is playing in a stadium smaller than most baseball parks.  Even when the Seahawks, Vikings, and Bears had to play at college stadiums before their new stadiums were built, they held at least 50K+ seats.   

You're right, it is odd.  The sad answer is that the Chargers probably couldn't fill up a bigger stadium, and the league would not want to show them playing in an empty stadium.

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If any franchise belongs in Las Vegas, it's the Raiders. I love the move. The city is already such a destination, it's going to be a boon to NFL fans traveling to see their teams play. The Raiders come to Philly in 2017, so the Eagles will travel out there in 4 years. I hope they have the new stadium and everything else settled by then.

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On ‎1‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 1:45 AM, Iggles said:

If the NFL wants a team to permanently move to London, they belong there compared to Jacksonville.  They've played the most games in London over the past decade.   At least in England they will called the "JagUars", and not the "JagWires".    

As for the Chargers moving to a 20,000 soccer stadium next year, I can't see how the NFL would allow that to happen.  That's less than a third of the stadium capacity of  Qualcom Stadium.   That's thousands of dollars of lost ticket revenue.   Roger Goodell never likes to lose revenue. 

But they are getting a $600mil relocation fee (or $500mil)

I think they might be okay with that, with the 3 teams moving that will be $1.5bil - $1.8bil in relocation fees. Don't that get divided up to the teams or something like that?

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