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[News] Offense Is Complete: Now What?

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1 minute ago, stine said:

Welp, I am in the minority. 8-8 this year and 8 or less wins next year and it is good bye HC or good bye me as a fan. I am just tired of almosts and mediocrity.... Sorry but I just cannot do it much longer.

So Stine, if it is good bye you as a fan, then what's next?  Are you leaving the Eagles for another team, or football all together?  Just wondering.

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So if Bradham gets suspended and Hicks injured...you are going to blame the HC Stine? Those two things could easily happen. Then our defense goes to sh17! No corners as it is to cover anyone. I just don't see it the same. Too many variables in a NFL season for me to call out a W/L total on the HC. We have potential offensive firepower. But Wentz and Pedey have to learn how to win NFL shootout type games. You don't just become Master of all Masters overnight.

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So if Bradham gets suspended and Hicks injured...you are going to blame the HC Stine? Those two things could easily happen. Then our defense goes to sh17! No corners as it is to cover anyone. I just don't see it the same. Too many variables in a NFL season for me to call out a W/L total on the HC. We have potential offensive firepower. But Wentz and Pedey have to learn how to win NFL shootout type games. You don't just become Master of all Masters overnight.

You did not read my original post Ham. I said that if we had no major injuries we should be 9-7 min. Obviously something like your scenario would be an issue! IF they have no LB's we would have a problem, obviously. However, we are getting back a promising player from last year I believe. He was lost for last season due to injury.

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  54 minutes ago, stine said:

Welp, I am in the minority. 8-8 this year and 8 or less wins next year and it is good bye HC or good bye me as a fan. I am just tired of almosts and mediocrity.... Sorry but I just cannot do it much longer.

So Stine, if it is good bye you as a fan, then what's next?  Are you leaving the Eagles for another team, or football all together?  Just wondering.

Nope, just won't root for any team. I will just enjoy watching the games as a football fan. My wife is a GB fan so probably watch them allot more than usual.

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No way Doug is still here if he doesn't make the playoffs in hte next 2 years! No shot!

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No way Doug is still here if he doesn't make the playoffs in hte next 2 years! No shot!

Stine will be gone too.

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  47 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

No way Doug is still here if he doesn't make the playoffs in hte next 2 years! No shot!

Stine will be gone too.

If the Eagles don't make the playoffs ... we are firing Stine too?

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  49 minutes ago, phillyphanwest said:
  1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

No way Doug is still here if he doesn't make the playoffs in hte next 2 years! No shot!

Stine will be gone too.

If the Eagles don't make the playoffs ... we are firing Stine too?

He will be removing himself from Iggles phandom to become a casual, non-denominational football observer.

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The Steelers just signed our released RB Terrell Watson. I will be watching to see how he does going forward.

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We are NOT trading Stine! May be voting to have 2 players on IR able to return and by then we'd have done something above mediocre enough for Stine to give the team another chance.

BTW, had those 18 staples removed and we definitely either have different pain tolerances or my leg was getting pulled as they were nothing. Then again believe last Wed a few hrs after my procedure, believe I was doped up enough to figure out how to hit the little buttons on my phone to post to the EMB.

Figuring gift ideas for each of the 3 shifts - now that's hard!

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  11 hours ago, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

Wentz was not the problem. One man cannot do this on his own. You keep saying he did not make plays. To whom? Everyone kept dropping his passes. Give the dude some slack JR. Wentz will not be the problem this year if they falter.

Go back and watch the games. Never once...not once, did a WR drop a ball late in any of the 7 close games we played. Wentz never put the ball up to even a covered receiver in those situations to give him a decent shot at winning a jump ball. The one time he tried, which was a terrible decision anyway because of the situation (late in the Lions game when we needed maybe 40 yards, with plenty of time and TOs left, for a game winning FG), it was badly under thrown which gave Agholor no chance.
I'm expecting (hoping, actually) CW to be much better, but the truth about last year is what I've said. QB play was not the problem in 2015, and despite the fact the WRs needed to be upgraded the play of our QB was why we didn't win 10 games at the very least in 2016. There's a lot to like about Carson, but to ignore how bad he was with the game on the line repeatedly is just blind optimism based on nothing. The fact is he needs to be much, much better in these clutch situations. It was only his rookie season, but instead of getting better as the season when on and he gained experience, he got worse. That is concerning, but hopefully not very meaningful. We'll find out.

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The Steelers just signed our released RB Terrell Watson. I will be watching to see how he does going forward.

Me too. I think he, and a few other guys (C.J.Smith and Aaron Grymes in particular) deserved (for the team's sake) more of an opportunity.

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  11 hours ago, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

Wow way to much on Wentz for our close game loses.....Lets neglect the fact that Wentz had plenty of plays taken away because of dumb penalties or just plain drops by our skill positions in those games that would have extended drives or given us the lead....Or that Wentz had us a lead and our RBs fumbled two games away......Wentz was by no means perfect and needs to improve but not everything was on him in those close games 

It's just not the truth, BG93. I record every game and then watch them again a few times during the week. Not one thing you said is true. No dumb penalty ever was an issue at the end of any of our close losses. Which games did our RBs fumble away the game late? The Smallwood fumble vs Dallas? We had a few possessions after that and still had the lead (they tied it at the end of regulation). The Mathews fumble vs Detroit? We had the ball at the end with plenty of time and only needing a FG to win and he threw an underthrown deep ball on first down that Agholor had no shot to come down with. Things were on him no more or less than on any other QB. If he made a good throw and it was dropped, or he was under extreme pressure and had no chance to make a play that would be different, but that was never the case. We did need big upgrades at WR but the guys we had never had a chance last year in those late game situations. I realize that's not the perception around here but it's the truth.

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9 minutes ago, johnreaves said:

It's just not the truth, BG93. I record every game and then watch them again a few times during the week. Not one thing you said is true. No dumb penalty ever was an issue at the end of any of our close losses. Which games did our RBs fumble away the game late? The Smallwood fumble vs Dallas? We had a few possessions after that and still had the lead (they tied it at the end of regulation). The Mathews fumble vs Detroit? We had the ball at the end with plenty of time and only needing a FG to win and he threw an underthrown deep ball on first down that Agholor had no shot to come down with. Things were on him no more or less than on any other QB. If he made a good throw and it was dropped, or he was under extreme pressure and had no chance to make a play that would be different, but that was never the case. We did need big upgrades at WR but the guys we had never had a chance last year in those late game situations. I realize that's not the perception around here but it's the truth.

Everything I said was true...Yes there are chances still at the end but should never be put in that situation to start with...how many of those games you watch did we not score on because of missed plays by our skill positions...Seen a few Tds that we should have had late in games that would have given us a lead but the play was missed whether it was a penalty or a skill player missing......Everything you said was wrong you are putting it all on a rookie QB that made plays throughout the game but hey it is his fault the team coughed up the lead and didn't get enough help at the end of games to close it out get real 

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Just now, BleedingGreen93 said:

We did need big upgrades at WR but the guys we had never had a chance last year in those late game situations. I realize that's not the perception around here but it's the truth.

And this is the biggest load of horseshit I have seen ever plenty of chances for our guys late in games and plenty of plays missed by them....By no means did I say Wentz was perfect or that miss chances but to put it all on him like you are is completely wrong 

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We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

WR drops at crucial times,conservative play calls.Stop blaming Wentz

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  15 hours ago, GreenbleedinFL said:
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  17 hours ago, stine said:

Correct TD. That is why I feel DP is on a short leash. Fipp will get a HC job somewhere and I feel be very successful. I know the Eagles feel the same. Is it fair? Nope. But Lurie has been owner a long time and I feel is starting to lose his patience....

I hope Lurie remains patient.he gave Chip WAY too much slack.let Pes re-tool this team.It's not gonna happen overnight

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Hey! You never looked me up when you were in NC! We had an awesome time GBLF. The people who rented me the chairs and tables brought me some home brewed Moonshine Tuesday night... I have to say it was the smoothest I had ever tasted.

I'm in Florida for now.I may move there in a year

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  15 hours ago, stine said:
  15 hours ago, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

Wentz was not the problem. One man cannot do this on his own. You keep saying he did not make plays. To whom? Everyone kept dropping his passes. Give the dude some slack JR. Wentz will not be the problem this year if they falter.

Go back and watch the games. Never once...not once, did a WR drop a ball late in any of the 7 close games we played. Wentz never put the ball up to even a covered receiver in those situations to give him a decent shot at winning a jump ball. The one time he tried, which was a terrible decision anyway because of the situation (late in the Lions game when we needed maybe 40 yards, with plenty of time and TOs left, for a game winning FG), it was badly under thrown which gave Agholor no chance.
I'm expecting (hoping, actually) CW to be much better, but the truth about last year is what I've said. QB play was not the problem in 2015, and despite the fact the WRs needed to be upgraded the play of our QB was why we didn't win 10 games at the very least in 2016. There's a lot to like about Carson, but to ignore how bad he was with the game on the line repeatedly is just blind optimism based on nothing. The fact is he needs to be much, much better in these clutch situations. It was only his rookie season, but instead of getting better as the season when on and he gained experience, he got worse. That is concerning, but hopefully not very meaningful. We'll find out.

My god the kids a rookie tossed into the fire.Remember he was supposed to sit behind Sam.I'm sure the playbook was limited early on.As the season progressed they gave him tough things to do/work on,so it's not that he got worse,he had more looks to check down-sheesh

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On 5/22/2017 at 1:48 PM, stine said:

Welp, I am in the minority. 8-8 this year and 8 or less wins next year and it is good bye HC or good bye me as a fan. I am just tired of almosts and mediocrity.... Sorry but I just cannot do it much longer.

I agree with this statement completely by next year this team should be int eh playoffs honestly think this team has enough talent to be a playoff team this year....THink we are lacking in some areas to make a serious SB push though 

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  On 5/22/2017 at 9:53 PM, johnreaves said:
  On 5/22/2017 at 10:09 AM, stine said:
  On 5/22/2017 at 9:52 AM, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

Wentz was not the problem. One man cannot do this on his own. You keep saying he did not make plays. To whom? Everyone kept dropping his passes. Give the dude some slack JR. Wentz will not be the problem this year if they falter.

Go back and watch the games. Never once...not once, did a WR drop a ball late in any of the 7 close games we played. Wentz never put the ball up to even a covered receiver in those situations to give him a decent shot at winning a jump ball. The one time he tried, which was a terrible decision anyway because of the situation (late in the Lions game when we needed maybe 40 yards, with plenty of time and TOs left, for a game winning FG), it was badly under thrown which gave Agholor no chance.
I'm expecting (hoping, actually) CW to be much better, but the truth about last year is what I've said. QB play was not the problem in 2015, and despite the fact the WRs needed to be upgraded the play of our QB was why we didn't win 10 games at the very least in 2016. There's a lot to like about Carson, but to ignore how bad he was with the game on the line repeatedly is just blind optimism based on nothing. The fact is he needs to be much, much better in these clutch situations. It was only his rookie season, but instead of getting better as the season when on and he gained experience, he got worse. That is concerning, but hopefully not very meaningful. We'll find out.

My god the kids a rookie tossed into the fire.Remember he was supposed to sit behind Sam.I'm sure the playbook was limited early on.As the season progressed they gave him tough things to do/work on,so it's not that he got worse,he had more looks to check down-sheesh

Early on was when he was at his best. Why change anything? Also, you made up the whole scenario about him being given more 'tough things to work on'...and blah, blah. You just made it up. When you're at your best has nothing necessarily to do with being a rookie, BTW. That hasn't been the case with other top QBs as rookies, including Dak Prescott last year.

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  On 5/22/2017 at 9:52 AM, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

WR drops at crucial times,conservative play calls.Stop blaming Wentz

I know you want to think Wentz is great, and I want him to be too, but the truth is last year he was pretty bad as an NFL starting QB...especially at the end of close games (and there were 7 of them). Yes he was a rookie so there's plenty of time, but last year he played his worst when you need your QB to play his best, as I said.

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  On 5/22/2017 at 9:52 AM, johnreaves said:

We've made a ton of upgrades, particularly on offense, but the Blunt truth is the biggest concern remains the QB position. Even with our lousy WRs and instability on the line with LJ's suspension and lost games by two other starters (forcing two rookies to play before they were really ready), we had six losses that were there for the taking at end but our rookie QB just couldn't make a play in any of them, except the Ravens game perhaps (which he made with his legs, not his arm). He was unable even in the one close win vs the Giants to secure what should've been an easy win. It took Eli and our defense, especially Jenkins, to put that one in the win column. What a contending team needs is a QB who's at his best at the end of close games. That's when Wentz was at his worst. He was only a rookie, but that needs to change more than upgrades anywhere else. Hopefully it will.

WR drops at crucial times,conservative play calls.Stop blaming Wentz

Just not the truth. It's what you want to believe but not what actually happened. Stop making excuses for Wentz. There's a lot to like about him and reason to expect a big improvement in the future but that doesn't change the truth about last year, or the fact that his consistently poor performance at the end of close games isn't something to be somewhat concerned about.

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