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  1. latest news, it was discovered that over 347,000 US veterans were put on a VA waiting list for receiving needed medical treatment for serious war injuries, but it is comforting to know that 'our' government is on top of this 'Washington &^%skins' evil name thingie, which should be the overwhelming priority, eh?


    Like I have been saying, political wedge issue to distract you from the real problems in this country.

    Yes, the article has presented both sides of the argument and provided an outlet for both. That's why I referenced it. I didn't just dig up some biased smear job.

    Clearly, there are some Native Americans who'd rather put their efforts into other things and some who aren't offended at all. Those people probably aren't identified in the lawsuit and it certainly doesn't represent them. That point has never been debated. However the majority of the 2 million active tribe members stand on the other side of the argument.

    The 90% or the 30%?

  2. That's true. It's a difficult road to navigate sometimes because the idea is to change OPINIONS and BELIEFS and not just actions, but you can't come across as overly "well I'm obviously right and you're wrong so you're an idiot" or else you'll never get your point across.

    I'm neutral on religion, but it's like I tell my friends about religion: the only thing more annoying than a religious zealot who cherry picks Bible verses is an atheist ****nozzle who tells you every second of the day how smart they are.

    The slippery slope argument is invalid to me, but this is a separate issue: how do we get the best result for everyone? And the answers aren't ever as clear as they would seem, for both sides on almost every issue.

    Well said.

  3. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/08/how-many-native-americans-think-redskins-is-a-slur/

    WASHINGTON – The name of a certain pro football team in Washington, D.C., has inspired protests, hearings, editorials, lawsuits, letters from Congress, even a presidential nudge. Yet behind the headlines, it’s unclear how many Native Americans think “Redskins” is a racial slur.

    Perhaps this uncertainty shouldn’t matter — because the word has an undeniably racist history, or because the team says it uses the word with respect, or because in a truly decent society, some would argue, what hurts a few should be avoided by all.

    UPDATE: ‘Redskins’ Name Ruled Disparaging, Trademarks Cancelled

    But the thoughts and beliefs of native people are the basis of the debate over changing the team name. And looking across the breadth of Native America — with 2 million Indians enrolled in 566 federally recognized tribes, plus another 3.2 million who tell the Census they are Indian — it’s difficult to tell how many are opposed to the name.

    The controversy has peaked in the last few days. President Barack Obama said Saturday he would consider getting rid of the name if he owned the team, and the NFL took the unprecedented step Monday of promising to meet with the Oneida Indian Nation, which is waging a national ad campaign against the league.

    Oneida Nation: Taxpayers Can’t Pay to Help Redskins Profit off of ‘Racial Slur’

    What gets far less attention, though, is this:

    There are Native American schools that call their teams Redskins. The term is used affectionately by some natives, similar to the way the N-word is used by some African-Americans. In the only recent poll to ask native people about the subject, 90 percent of respondents did not consider the term offensive, although many question the cultural credentials of the respondents.

    All of which underscores the oft-overlooked diversity within Native America.

    “Marginalized communities are too often treated monolithically,” said Carter Meland, a professor of American Indian Studies at the University of Minnesota.

    “Stories on the mascot issue always end up exploring whether it is right or it is wrong, respectful or disrespectful,” said Meland, an Ojibwe Indian.

    He believes Indian mascots are disrespectful, but said: “It would be interesting to get a sense of the diversity of opinion within a native community.”

    Those communities vary widely.

    Tommy Yazzie, superintendent of the Red Mesa school district on the Navajo Nation reservation, grew up when Navajo children were forced into boarding schools to disconnect them from their culture. Some were punished for speaking their native language. Today, he sees environmental issues as the biggest threat to his people.

    The high school football team in his district is the Red Mesa Redskins.

    Redskins Fan Cried Over Trademark Ruling

    “We just don’t think that (name) is an issue,” Yazzie said. “There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on.”

    “Society, they think it’s more derogatory because of the recent discussions,” Yazzie said. “In its pure form, a lot of Native American men, you go into the sweat lodge with what you’ve got — your skin. I don’t see it as derogatory.”

    Neither does Eunice Davidson, a Dakota Sioux who lives on the Spirit Lake reservation in North Dakota. “It more or less shows that they approve of our history,” she said.

    North Dakota was the scene of a similar controversy over the state university’s Fighting Sioux nickname. It was decisively scrapped in a 2012 statewide vote — after the Spirit Lake reservation voted in 2010 to keep it.

    Davidson said that if she could speak to Dan Snyder, the Washington team owner who has vowed never to change the name, “I would say I stand with him . we don’t want our history to be forgotten.”

    In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name “Washington Redskins” offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.

    But the Indian activist Suzan Shown Harjo, who has filed a lawsuit seeking to strip the “Redskins” trademark from the football team, said the poll neglected to ask some crucial questions.

    “Are you a tribal person? What is your nation? What is your tribe? Would you say you are culturally or socially or politically native?” Harjo asked. Those without such connections cannot represent native opinions, she said.

    Indian support for the name “is really a classic case of internalized oppression,” Harjo said. “People taking on what has been said about them, how they have been described, to such an extent that they don’t even notice.”

    Harjo declines to estimate what percentage of native people oppose the name. But she notes that the many organizations supporting her lawsuit include the Cherokee, Comanche, Oneida and Seminole tribes, as well as the National Congress of American Indians, the largest intertribal organization, which represents more than 250 groups with a combined enrollment of 1.2 million.

    “The ‘Redskins’ trademark is disparaging to Native Americans and perpetuates a centuries-old stereotype of Native Americans as ‘blood-thirsty savages,’ ‘noble warriors’ and an ethnic group ‘frozen in history,’” the National Congress said in a brief filed in the lawsuit.

    The Merriam-Webster dictionary says the term is “very offensive and should be avoided.” But like another infamous racial epithet, the N-word, it has been redefined by some native people as a term of familiarity or endearment, often in abbreviated form, according to Meland, the Indian professor.

    “Of course, it is one thing for one ‘skin to call another ‘skin a ‘skin, but it has entirely different meaning when a non-Indian uses it,” Meland said in an email interview.

    It was a white man who applied it to this particular football team: Owner George Preston Marshall chose the name in 1932 partly to honor the head coach, William “Lone Star” Dietz, who was known as an Indian.

    “The Washington Redskins name has thus from its origin represented a positive meaning distinct from any disparagement that could be viewed in some other context,” NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote in June to 10 members of Congress who challenged the name.

    Marshall, however, had a reputation as a racist. He was the last NFL owner who refused to sign black players — the federal government forced him to integrate in 1962 by threatening to cancel the lease on his stadium. When he died in 1969, his will created a Redskins Foundation but stipulated that it never support “the principle of racial integration in any form.”

    And Dietz, the namesake Redskin, may not have even been a real Indian. Dietz served jail time for charges that he falsely registered for the draft as an Indian in order to avoid service. According to an investigation by the Indian Country Today newspaper, he stole the identity of a missing Oglala Sioux man.

    Now, 81 years into this jumbled identity tale, the saga seems to finally be coming to a head. The NFL’s tone has shifted over the last few months, from defiance to conciliation.

    “If we are offending one person,” Goodell, the NFL commissioner, said last month, “we need to be listening.”

  4. What is hilarious in the argument is how ignorant the pro-side is to reality. I am sure they never traveled outside of this country. If they did they would find that you can meet people that do not like people from the same race but like others from that race. They could not like people from a certain country while liking others. It does not make them racists against everyone but in your ideological rantings where you ignore information that is where you end up. Ignorant.

    I worked in China and regularly ran into people that would not hire people from a certain area because their area was considered lazy but would hire people from a different area because they were considered hard working.

    I worked a lot overseas and saw this on a regular basis.

    It is not racism, it is cultural differences. Cultures view others differently. If you were to call it racism everyone in the world would be racists. Everyone.

    Marshall treated blacks horrible but held Indians in high regard. That is a part of his makeup and he had reasons for that but to throw terms around to make your argument just makes you look ignorant and ill informed about the larger scope of the issue.

    It does not excuse how poorly he treated blacks with respect to treating Indians but you have to separate the two.

    The pro side arguments have yet to show how Marshall was racist towards Indians which is the case you make.

  5. @Jason1978

    I wasn't there when these people said those things, but I'd guess a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek, and it's hilarious.

    If they were actually serious, most of it's still hilarious, but in a sad kind of way.


    One of the biggest issues I have with those on the pro-change side is how self-righteous some of them are. They act like "Redskins" is so blatantly and obviously racist, and then they act so condescending towards those against the name change for not seeing things the way they do. When in reality, the issue is not so black and white, as I said earlier. I see more of this kind of attitude from those for the name change than those against it.

    Not saying you're this way, but just an observation in general.

    Welcome to liberal politics in the US. Unfortunately, that is the way that the country has become.

  6. Quite possibly the dumbest argument against changing the name I've heard so far that hasn't actually been racist or bigoted. So, congratulations, I guess.

    Considering George Preston Marshall's credentials as a person with no moral compass, I can't believe that you are actually using him as a shield for your already baseless argument. That's like saying the racist rancher in Nevada who said blacks were better off as slaves still has credibility on the subject of racism... as long as he isn't talking about blacks.

    Are you this dense? Countless Native Americans (you know, those people who would actually have a clue what's racist in the Native American culture) have been fighting the name for years yet you hide behind a known racists's judgement? Hmm... agenda much?

    I have some advice for you. Maybe you should just quit this debate now. The more you post on the subject the more chance you have of slipping up and admitting that you really don't care if it's racist because it doesn't affect you personally.

    Why are they not fighting the Blackhawks, Chiefs, Braves, etc?

  7. No, it's not ironic. The fact that you cannot understand the difference between 'Chiefs', 'Seminoles' or 'Braves' and 'Redskins' just shows how out of touch with reality that you have become. A title of honor (Chief and Brave) or a tribe name (Seminole) are not racial slurs. It's the same difference between an African tribe name (Zulu, Ondonga, Ait Toureg) and a slur (porch******, mud *****, ni***r). Why you 'Redskin' defenders do not understand this is quite a mystery. Y'all either just very dedicated internet trolls because your lives are absolutely miserable or all y'all a bunch of psychopaths and truly have zero empathy and thus cannot comprehend how racial slurs affect people.

    No, you are the one out of touch. Do you know what Redskin means? The name derived from a pigment the Indians used to but on their face to keep bugs away.

    But continue your one sided ramblings. This is the same as the Fighting Sioux. It is all about creating a political wedge issue and money. Nothing more.

    Spirit Lake Tribe Sues NCAA Read more athttp://indiancountry...sues-ncaa-60972

    Statement by: Reed Soderstrom, an attorney for the Committee of Understanding & Respect, and Archie Fool Bear, individually and on behalf of the 1004+ Petitioners.

    Today, the Spirit Lake Tribe of Indians, by and through its Committee of Understanding and Respect, and Archie Fool Bear, individually, and as Representative of more than 1004 Petitioners of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe, filed a lawsuit against the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) in direct response to their attempt to take away and prevent the North Dakota Sioux Indians from giving their name forever to the University of North Dakota.

    In 2009 the Spirit Lake tribe voted overwhelmingly to allow the University of North Dakota to continue using the name “Fighting Sioux.” In 1969, in a sacred & religious spiritual ceremony, the tribal leaders of the Standing Rock tribe granted perpetual use of the name “Fighting Sioux” to the University of North Dakota.

    However, the NCAA has unilaterally decided that the name “Fighting Sioux” is derogatory to the very people who feel honored by the name—the North Dakota Sioux tribes. The NCAA has declared, without input from the Dakota Sioux, that UND will be prevented from hosting any post-season sporting events; and is encouraging other universities to boycott UND if the University does not remove the name “Fighting Sioux” and the accompanying logo honoring the traditions and customs of the proud Dakota Sioux people. These actions are a violation of the religious and first amendment rights of the Dakota Sioux tribes, and show the NCAA believes it knows the interests of the North Dakota Sioux community better than Sioux people themselves.

    Though the NCAA has decided “Fighting Sioux” is derogatory, the NCAA supports the University of Illinois’ use of the name “Fighting Illini,” and the use by Florida State University of the name “Seminoles” along with the Seminole mascot—someone dressed in Native American attire who rides into the FSU stadium on a horse and throws a flaming spear before every home football game. The NCAA claims these are not derogatory depictions because the Illini people and the Seminole people approve of the use of the name and mascot. Inexplicably, the NCAA fails to accept the tribal vote and the sacred religious ceremony as endorsements of the name “Fighting Sioux” by the North Dakota Sioux Nation. The NCAA’s actions violate Native American civil rights, equal protection rights, and religious rights.

    Read more athttp://indiancountry...sues-ncaa-60972

    So you don't see the hypocrisy in all of this?

  8. Can't believe there are actually people out there arguing against changing the name. The complete lack of empathy some of these people exhibit reminds me of the definition of a sociopath.

    I find the hypocrisy behind those supporting the name change sociopathic and showing a complete lack of empathy. They are just pushing an agenda to fit their needs. Why selectively pick their targets? Why are the Chiefs, Braves, Blackhawks, Fighting Illini, and Seminoles not offensive when the Red skin comes from a pigment used to ward off bugs? But then again they are so focused with their anger that they cannot see the bigger picture or their own hypocrisy.

  9. @Jason1978

    I wasn't there when these people said those things, but I'd guess a lot of it is tongue-in-cheek, and it's hilarious.

    If they were actually serious, most of it's still hilarious, but in a sad kind of way.


    One of the biggest issues I have with those on the pro-change side is how self-righteous some of them are. They act like "Redskins" is so blatantly and obviously racist, and then they act so condescending towards those against the name change for not seeing things the way they do. When in reality, the issue is not so black and white, as I said earlier. I see more of this kind of attitude from those for the name change than those against it.

    Not saying you're this way, but just an observation in general.

    It is ironic that they only pursue the Redskins and not the other teams with Indian names. It is the side of the argument that they never address.

  10. Well, I've read multiple accounts that say that he did name the team the Redskins to honor the Native Americans on the team, but that newspaper article is fairly strong evidence to the contrary. However, please read the articles in the link below. Specifically the one titled, "Lone Star Dietz Designed Redskins' Uniforms."


    However, assuming that Marshall didn't name them the Redskins as an honor to those Native Americans on his team, I have read another report that said that Marshall named them the Redskins to honor a local Native American who did quite a bit of charity work around Boston. However, I have not been able to find the link, so take it for what you will.

    Also, I would like to see the rest of the article. Because that doesn't prove that he had malicious intent when he came up with the name, it's just saying that he wasn't necessarily trying to honor those on his team.

    Another point: if Marshall really was racist toward Native Americans, why did he have a Native American HC? Why did he have Native American players? Why would he even associate himself with the people he hated by calling his own team the Redskins? That would totally defeat his purpose.

    Because it does not fit the narrative the others want you to believe in order for this to be a wedge issue. The other side assumes that you cannot use Google and think for yourself.

  11. it seems like there are a lot of people having more problems than I am. Its really weird how appearance of the boards and feature functionality is so different from person to person. Right down to who is seeing which avatar. Other people are complaining that things are overlapping, like an eagles logo overlapping on other things. Ive never seen anything like that.

    In the blog, ghor50 has a Jerel Worthy avatar uploaded, but I see a picture of a body builder while others see Worthy. How does something like that happen?

    Also, when you go in to his profile, you just see a red x.

    It must be complicated to fix a problem when for other people there is nothing that really needs to be fixed. If they change a setting to fix it for you, does it mess things up for others?

    What a mess... But at least Im having 0 issues. My only complaint is not seeing which threads Ive posted in, but Im having no issues remembering anyway.

    That just shows the poor coding. You don't see these problems on free boards and this is supposed to be a premium product.

  12. Dave, can we just switch back to the other boards while Demand Media goes back and figures out what is wrong with their software?

    It has been long enough (1 year) to work out the bugs and if they cannot get everything working on Monday we should not be their test subjects.

    Boards like Invision work without a problem right out of the box. They do not need days of testing to turn on features and figure out bugs.

    They need to come back when their software works right.

  13. There are dozens of profanity filters that kick in if you type something that we don't allow. The K**l-Aid one is among them because people were spamming the boards with it. Leave the moderators out of this. They aren't doing anything to your posts.

    The absolute best one was the PF specific filter for Bastardo. 1 billion stars for that gem.

  14. Last year was worse. The site lost many posters and NEVER really recovered. Many of the OTI users went to other sites. Now, this year's changes w/o any notice makes many people feel like we are not a part of the decision making process.

    You are not going to have a choice in the decision making process but the problem was going with a company who has a very poor reputation in their industry.

  15. it sure is a shame how many people are gone now after the first disaster. and they just did it again...

    this change isnt as bad, but the way they went about it was worse.

    last time there was a warning, and an example of what to expect, evidence of preparation beforehand to make the transition as smooth as possible, and much more of a sense that admins were working with us and for us to give us a product that was more acceptable and closer to meeting previously set standards after the entire thing was botched despite great efforts.

    this time, no warning, and Dave just seems upset at us for not jumping for joy over the "substantial upgrades" which we have yet to see.

    its quite disappointing even for someone like me who really has very little issue with the board itself right now.

    Dude what are you smoking? The last time was a complete cluster**** from start to finish. Even the mods threw in the towel and said they could not work with this.

    But this is a good troll attempt.