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you're really that high on Colt McCoy?

Santana Moss is a solid NFL WR. Nothing more. He's on the wrong side of 30 and has averaged about 900 yards a year the last 4 seasons. Is he capable of a big season? Sure, he proved that. But he's not a guy that scares the opposition the way a DJAX does. He's not nearly as explosive, and he's a lot older.

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Report: Redskins still favored to land Westbrook

ESPN’s Adam Shefter lists former Eagles TB Brian Westbrook as one of the top 5 remaining free agents.

Teams have had health questions on Westbrook, but his agent, Todd France, insists that his client is fine. The Washington Redskins remain the favorite to land Westbrook; they’ve already made him an offer to reunite him with quarterback Donovan McNabb and keep him playing in the NFC East, this time against his former team, the Philadelphia Eagles. The Rams also are interested, but Westbrook has become more of a luxury for teams, not a necessity.

The Redskins are not going to keep four older running backs who don’t play on special teams so if Westbrook goes one of the other top three backs on the roster now — Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson and Willie Parker — won’t last long in burgundy and gold. It won’t be Portis because he’s guaranteed about $7 million this year whether he plays for Washington or not. Larry Johnson has so far looked better than Parker — some would say Johnson has looked better than even Portis this offseason — so he’s a favorite to stay. That leaves Parker as the back most likely to be eventually released if Westbrook signs with the Redskins.

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Redskins' receivers to join Donovan McNabb for "hell week"

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 18, 2010 12:40 PM ET

The Redskins will open training camp in Ashburn, Virginia, on July 29, but Donovan McNabb and some of his teammates are getting a head start.

Rick Maese of the Washington Post reports that receivers Devin Thomas, Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly are among the players who have accepted McNabb's invitation to spend this week in Arizona for an intense series of workouts in the desert heat.

"I think it's important for the specialists on the offense to have that chemistry, to have that bond," McNabb said, "where they can trust me and I can trust them."

McNabb calls the workouts -- which he also did with teammates in Philadelphia -- "hell week."

"It's a different mindset," McNabb said. "I prepare guys the way I prepare."

For some players, a week of relaxation might make more sense than a week of hell right before the start of camp, but Thomas is among those expressing excitement at the opportunity to get extra work in.

"Can't nothing but good come out of the situation when you go out and work out with your quarterback before the season starts," Thomas said. "It's a great time to build that chemistry without the coaches being there. You just get a little of that extra bonding time to lead into training camp."

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Biggest difference between Moss and DJax is that Moss never had the ability or chance to be an elite player whereas DJax does.

Things is though, Campbell's numbers were simular to McNabb's last season though. I think McNabb's numbers will be 19-21td, 10-12int.

It's not like Moss has had bad quaterbacks either. Vinny, Pennington, Campbell were far from bad.

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I'm saying if he had a good QB he would consistently be a top WR year in and year out.

It's not like Steve Smith in Carolina had an elite QB in Delhomme. What about Andre Johnson? Schaub finally stepped up in 09 but what about prior to that? Matt Ryan in Atlanta is far from elite yet Roddy White is a borderline top 5 WR and had his breakout season with Chris Redman/Joey Harrington. Derick Mason has remained a 1000 yard WR without average or less than average quaterbacks in Baltimore. Brandon Marshall went from Kyle Orton to a still unproven Chad Henne (and a run heavy offense). I bet he tops 1000 reguardless and is far better than Moss this year w/ McNabb.

Jason Campbell was not a bad QB at all and greatly improved in 09. You guys wanted him gone and feel McNabb is a massive upgrade when really he is not mostly due to the weapons around him. The biggest problem for Campbell wasn't Campbell. It was the fact that Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly...they are AVERAGE RECIEVERS. Cooley is your best reciever. Moss is a solid #2, Randle El was a #3. Moss would greatly benefit with a better WR playing in front of him. Had the Skins landed Marshall, Moss would be more dangerous and wouldn't have to be the top guy.

McNabb: 60.3 comp %, 3553 yards, 22td/10int w/ Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Celek

Campbell: 64.5 comp %, 3618, 20td/15int w/Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Davis

I'm willing to bet that McNabb's numbers this year will be simular to Campbell's in 09 though the completion % will be simular to what he did with the Eagles. Again, some of it will be due to McNabb declining but most of it will be due to the lack of weapons. Cooley/Davis might be his favorite weapons over Moss.

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Redskins' receivers to join Donovan McNabb for "hell week"

Posted by Michael David Smith on July 18, 2010 12:40 PM ET

The Redskins will open training camp in Ashburn, Virginia, on July 29, but Donovan McNabb and some of his teammates are getting a head start.

Rick Maese of the Washington Post reports that receivers Devin Thomas, Santana Moss and Malcolm Kelly are among the players who have accepted McNabb's invitation to spend this week in Arizona for an intense series of workouts in the desert heat.

"I think it's important for the specialists on the offense to have that chemistry, to have that bond," McNabb said, "where they can trust me and I can trust them."

McNabb calls the workouts -- which he also did with teammates in Philadelphia -- "hell week."

"It's a different mindset," McNabb said. "I prepare guys the way I prepare."

For some players, a week of relaxation might make more sense than a week of hell right before the start of camp, but Thomas is among those expressing excitement at the opportunity to get extra work in.

"Can't nothing but good come out of the situation when you go out and work out with your quarterback before the season starts," Thomas said. "It's a great time to build that chemistry without the coaches being there. You just get a little of that extra bonding time to lead into training camp."

Thought he said he wasn't going to Arizona this year? Are Cooley and Davis going?

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Things is though, Campbell's numbers were simular to McNabb's last season though. I think McNabb's numbers will be 19-21td, 10-12int.

It's not like Moss has had bad quaterbacks either. Vinny, Pennington, Campbell were far from bad.

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It's not like Steve Smith in Carolina had an elite QB in Delhomme. What about Andre Johnson? Schaub finally stepped up in 09 but what about prior to that? Matt Ryan in Atlanta is far from elite yet Roddy White is a borderline top 5 WR and had his breakout season with Chris Redman/Joey Harrington. Derick Mason has remained a 1000 yard WR without average or less than average quaterbacks in Baltimore. Brandon Marshall went from Kyle Orton to a still unproven Chad Henne (and a run heavy offense). I bet he tops 1000 reguardless and is far better than Moss this year w/ McNabb.

Jason Campbell was not a bad QB at all and greatly improved in 09. You guys wanted him gone and feel McNabb is a massive upgrade when really he is not mostly due to the weapons around him. The biggest problem for Campbell wasn't Campbell. It was the fact that Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly...they are AVERAGE RECIEVERS. Cooley is your best reciever. Moss is a solid #2, Randle El was a #3. Moss would greatly benefit with a better WR playing in front of him. Had the Skins landed Marshall, Moss would be more dangerous and wouldn't have to be the top guy.

McNabb: 60.3 comp %, 3553 yards, 22td/10int w/ Jackson, Maclin, Avant, Celek

Campbell: 64.5 comp %, 3618, 20td/15int w/Moss, Randle El, Thomas, Kelly, Davis

I'm willing to bet that McNabb's numbers this year will be simular to Campbell's in 09 though the completion % will be simular to what he did with the Eagles. Again, some of it will be due to McNabb declining but most of it will be due to the lack of weapons. Cooley/Davis might be his favorite weapons over Moss.

You could at least acknowledge that Campbell played two more games(throwing 66 more passes) than McNabb to have similar numbers. I agree that Donovan is going to stuggle a bit, but I'm not sure his numbers will fall that far, McNabb does love the TE after all. He will suffer a bit due to age, a bit due to the line and a bit due to the downgrade from Desean and Maclin to Moss and whoever. I actually think its possible his TD numbers will be up a bit though simply because of the dual TEs

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Jasomn Campbell is garbage.

Campbell greatly improved the past few seasons.

2007 (77.6, 250/417, 60.0 comp %, 2700 yards, 12td/11int, 1 rushing td, sacked 21 times):

QB rating - 20th

Completions - 15th

Attempts - 15th

Comp % - 24th

Yards - 16th

YPG - 20th

TD - 16th

Sacked - 13th (tied) most in NFL

2008 (84.3, 315/506, 62.3%, 3618 yards, 13td/6int, 1 rushing td, sacked 38 times):

QB rating - 19th

Completions - 11th

Attempts - 10th

Comp % - 15th

Yards - 16th

YPG - 21st

TD - 23rd

Sacked - 4th (tied) most in NFL

2009 (86.4, 327/507, 64.5%, 3618 yards, 20td/15int, 1 rushing td, sacked 43 times):

QB rating - 15th

Completions - 12th

Attempts - 13th

Comp % - 9th

Yards - 14th

YPG - 16th

TD - 10th

Sacked - 3rd most in NFL

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You could at least acknowledge that Campbell played two more games(throwing 66 more passes) than McNabb to have similar numbers. I agree that Donovan is going to stuggle a bit, but I'm not sure his numbers will fall that far, McNabb does love the TE after all. He will suffer a bit due to age, a bit due to the line and a bit due to the downgrade from Desean and Maclin to Moss and whoever. I actually think its possible his TD numbers will be up a bit though simply because of the dual TEs

And McNabb also had to go through the Vick expierement. I'm expecting McNabb to miss a game or two especially behind that o-line and he will throw more than he did last year if the running game is a bust.

In Shanny's last year in Denver, Cutler threw league high 616 times. It was due to a poor running game and poor o-line. Shanny didn't get the production from the running game and guys were always getting hurt. Could be very simular this season. Shanny likes to run but if you look at his tenure in Denver he likes to throw alot as well. McNabb is going to have to carry this offense if the running game struggles, which it very well could.

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And McNabb also had to go through the Vick expierement. I'm expecting McNabb to miss a game or two especially behind that o-line and he will throw more than he did last year if the running game is a bust.

In Shanny's last year in Denver, Cutler threw league high 616 times. It was due to a poor running game and poor o-line. Shanny didn't get the production from the running game and guys were always getting hurt. Could be very simular this season. Shanny likes to run but if you look at his tenure in Denver he likes to throw alot as well. McNabb is going to have to carry this offense if the running game struggles, which it very well could.

Geesh I had no idea how much Cutler threw it in 2008... That was the year where they had no defense and had to keep playing catch up though, and they lost a ridiculous amount of RBs as well. McNabb matching the numbers Campbell put up in 16 games in only 14 is an improvement, and honestly, if he throws more this year than he did last year wouldn't he likely surpass Campbell's numbers?

You're absolutely correct that Donovan could end up having to carry their offense. I don't think Larry Johnson has anything left no matter what the reports say, and Willie Parker looks finished. One thing to keep in mind however, is that McNabb is pretty used to carrying the offense. He has done so in seven our of his ten years starting throughout his career.

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Geesh I had no idea how much Cutler threw it in 2008... That was the year where they had no defense and had to keep playing catch up though, and they lost a ridiculous amount of RBs as well. McNabb matching the numbers Campbell put up in 16 games in only 14 is an improvement, and honestly, if he throws more this year than he did last year wouldn't he likely surpass Campbell's numbers?

You're absolutely correct that Donovan could end up having to carry their offense. I don't think Larry Johnson has anything left no matter what the reports say, and Willie Parker looks finished. One thing to keep in mind however, is that McNabb is pretty used to carrying the offense. He has done so in seven our of his ten years starting throughout his career.

McNabb is used to carrying offenses but as we all know, McNabb needs help and can't do it by himself especially as he gets older. Other guys need to step up. He needs a running game, he needs recievers, he needs a defense. With the Eagles for years he had Westbrook and often a solid defense thanks to JJ. All three areas are arguably much worse than what he had last year. He is also in a new offense, on a team that knows more about losing than winning as of late, a coach who has struggled to find alot of success since Elway retired and the most important thing, zero depth at many positions and the oldest team in the entire NFL.

It's also interesting to note that in the ten years after Elway was gone, the Broncos had only four seasons of 20 or more td passes HOWEVER in those four seasons they averaged 14+ ints. McNabb is a QB who averages around 20-22td passes but that could decline depending on if any of his recievers decide step up, which they didn't do last year. Shanny also almost always had young, fresh running backs and one of the best offense lines in the NFL. He always had an elite WR for his QB. The 2010 Skins have arguably the worst o-line, running backs and recievers Shanny has ever coached but the best QB since Elway.

McNabb no doubt lights a fire under this team and could improve them but again, he can't do everything. McNabb automatically doesn't make them a playoff contender. Other players need to step up and that's where I question this team. McNabb is pretty much back to where he was a few years ago with the Eagles. How soon before he's asking for more playmakers in DC? I still have a feeling T.O. ends up with the Skins.

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Campbell greatly improved the past few seasons.

2007 (77.6, 250/417, 60.0 comp %, 2700 yards, 12td/11int, 1 rushing td, sacked 21 times):

QB rating - 20th

Completions - 15th

Attempts - 15th

Comp % - 24th

Yards - 16th

YPG - 20th

TD - 16th

Sacked - 13th (tied) most in NFL

2008 (84.3, 315/506, 62.3%, 3618 yards, 13td/6int, 1 rushing td, sacked 38 times):

QB rating - 19th

Completions - 11th

Attempts - 10th

Comp % - 15th

Yards - 16th

YPG - 21st

TD - 23rd

Sacked - 4th (tied) most in NFL

2009 (86.4, 327/507, 64.5%, 3618 yards, 20td/15int, 1 rushing td, sacked 43 times):

QB rating - 15th

Completions - 12th

Attempts - 13th

Comp % - 9th

Yards - 14th

YPG - 16th

TD - 10th

Sacked - 3rd most in NFL

Yet he couldn't win his way out of a paperbag where as guys like Brunell and Collins made the playoffs.

If Campbell had been the Eagle's QB over the past two seasons they would've never made the playoffs.

Although injuries decimated the Skins offense last season i guess he did the best he could.

I remember Zorn trying to find a replacement at the beginning of last season.

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Skins should never have cut Chase Daniels. I believe he would have been a much better back up then Brennen. or rex grossman for that matter.

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Skins should never have cut Chase Daniels. I believe he would have been a much better back up then Brennen. or rex grossman for that matter.

Where is he now?

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:lol:

Donovan's critics are PRAYING that Skins O-line doesn't hold up. What makes it so comical is that despite the fact that obvious offseason acquisitions to the line in addition to Shanny's proprietary 'zone-blocking' schemes are going to MORE-THAN-LIKELY improve that line in 2010; you all STILL want to believe that they are going in to the 2010 season with the same exact 2009 line! :roll:

ahhh...I love the EMB.

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Yet he couldn't win his way out of a paperbag where as guys like Brunell and Collins made the playoffs.

If Campbell had been the Eagle's QB over the past two seasons they would've never made the playoffs.

Brunell made the playoffs because of his rushing game and defense. The offense was ranked 22nd that year while the rushing offense and D were top 10.

In 2009 the Skins had their highest ranked passing offense since 2001 when they were ranked 12th however look at the rushing offense and defense. Campbell greatly improved but the rushing offense drastically got worse.

Brunell and Collins made the playoffs because they had help, other players stepped up. Campbell didn't have that last year. McNabb won't have that this year either because the rushing game hasn't improved and neither really has the defense.

2009 (w/ Campbell) 4-12

passing offense - 14th

rushing offense - 27th

defense - 18th

2008 (w/ Campbell) 8-8

passing offense - 22nd

rushing offense - 8th

defense - 6th

2007 (w/ Campbell/Collins) 9-7, 0-1 in playoffs

passing offense - 15th

rushing offense - 12th

defense - 11th

2006 (w/ Brunell/Campbell) 5-11

passing offense - 23rd

rushing offense - 4th

defense - 27th

2005 (w/ Brunell) 10-6, 1-1 in playoffs

passing offense - 22nd

rushing offense - 7th

defense - 9th

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:lol:

Donovan's critics are PRAYING that Skins O-line doesn't hold up. What makes it so comical is that despite the fact that obvious offseason acquisitions to the line in addition to Shanny's proprietary 'zone-blocking' schemes are going to MORE-THAN-LIKELY improve that line in 2010; you all STILL want to believe that they are going in to the 2010 season with the same exact 2009 line! :roll:

ahhh...I love the EMB.

The Skins OL has been a pretty strong unit over the past few years. Too many people are hanging on last seasons struggles as a reason McNabb will fail. They point out that the Skins OL sucked last season but dismiss the fact the 4

key linemen were put on the IR. I don't know of any offensive unit that wouldn't suffer a poor season with those kind of losses. The bottom line is (as with any team) we need to stay healthy.

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Skins should never have cut Chase Daniels. I believe he would have been a much better back up then Brennen. or rex grossman for that matter.

They were going to put him on their practice squad but he didnt want to be on a practice squad and the saints gave him a roster spot.

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:lol:

Donovan's critics are PRAYING that Skins O-line doesn't hold up. What makes it so comical is that despite the fact that obvious offseason acquisitions to the line in addition to Shanny's proprietary 'zone-blocking' schemes are going to MORE-THAN-LIKELY improve that line in 2010; you all STILL want to believe that they are going in to the 2010 season with the same exact 2009 line! :roll:

ahhh...I love the EMB.

Two guys are the same, three guys are new however out of those three new guys, two didn't even play last season, one was a backup.

Skins starting o-line:

Trent Williams (22) - ROOKIE

Derrick Dockery (30) - one of the league leaders in false starts

Casey Rabach (33) - longest tenured Redskin lineman w/ team since 05

Artis Hicks (32) - will replace Mike Williams, has 27 starts since 2006

Jammal Brown (29) - missed entire 2009 season w/ hip and hernia injury

The Skins added 30 year old former 1st rounder Mike Williams to start however he is now out for the season with blood clots in his heart. Artis Hicks, who was mostly a backup since 06 in Minny takes over.

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I agree the skins o-line is definitely still a work in progress. Shanny re-signed Rabach so that should indicate that he believes Rabach is at least a decent starting center. Rabach and Dockery actually played fairly well last year, but Rabach struggled with penalties.

The skins o-line will be better than last year, thats pretty much a certainty. But they will probably struggle at times again and still allow a bunch of sacks. Shanny will definitely still be working on this line come next off-season.

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I agree the skins o-line is definitely still a work in progress. Shanny re-signed Rabach so that should indicate that he believes Rabach is at least a decent starting center. Rabach and Dockery actually played fairly well last year, but Rabach struggled with penalties.

The skins o-line will be better than last year, thats pretty much a certainty. But they will probably struggle at times again and still allow a bunch of sacks. Shanny will definitely still be working on this line come next off-season.

Rabach also played hurt last season.

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McNabb is used to carrying offenses but as we all know, McNabb needs help and can't do it by himself especially as he gets older. Other guys need to step up. He needs a running game, he needs recievers, he needs a defense. With the Eagles for years he had Westbrook and often a solid defense thanks to JJ. All three areas are arguably much worse than what he had last year. He is also in a new offense, on a team that knows more about losing than winning as of late, a coach who has struggled to find alot of success since Elway retired and the most important thing, zero depth at many positions and the oldest team in the entire NFL.

It's also interesting to note that in the ten years after Elway was gone, the Broncos had only four seasons of 20 or more td passes HOWEVER in those four seasons they averaged 14+ ints. McNabb is a QB who averages around 20-22td passes but that could decline depending on if any of his recievers decide step up, which they didn't do last year. Shanny also almost always had young, fresh running backs and one of the best offense lines in the NFL. He always had an elite WR for his QB. The 2010 Skins have arguably the worst o-line, running backs and recievers Shanny has ever coached but the best QB since Elway.

McNabb no doubt lights a fire under this team and could improve them but again, he can't do everything. McNabb automatically doesn't make them a playoff contender. Other players need to step up and that's where I question this team. McNabb is pretty much back to where he was a few years ago with the Eagles. How soon before he's asking for more playmakers in DC? I still have a feeling T.O. ends up with the Skins.

the thing about it is..

Mike Shanahan is the head coach, but Kyle Shanahan runs the offense.

so you may wonna change that from Denver to Houston.

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