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Grossman is better than Collins who BTW is yet to land on a team.

Um maybe that's because Todd Collins is 39 and was only with the Skins because he came over with Al Saunders. He hasn't played outside of an Al Saunders system or the Skins since he was with Buffalo back in 1998.

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Um maybe that's because Todd Collins is 39 and was only with the Skins because he came over with Al Saunders. He hasn't played outside of an Al Saunders system or the Skins since he was with Buffalo back in 1998.

so that would make Grossman a better QB since he fits the Kyle Shanahan system, yes.

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An extensive look at the 2010 Skins roster:

QB:

McNabb (34) - played 1 full season since 2004, McNabb overrall is an upgrade over Campbell however is on the decline and Campbell was just as good last year

Grossman (30) - two season ending knee injuries, has only played in more than 8 games once, brought over from Hou because he knows offense. Better than Collins, sure but many backups are better than Collins

Brennan (27) - never taken a regular season snap and completly overhyped due to preseason performance against backups

Bartel (27) - practice squad player that Shanny said will compete with Brennan for 3rd QB spot

B (McNabb is no longer a top 10 QB and he could slip even more this season with questionable talent around him and especially a very questonable o-line)

RB:

Portis (29) - injuries have caught up to him and he is no longer the full-time back he once was

Johnson (31) - played just 14 games past two seasons, hasn't lasted for more than 12 games since 07. Might be upgrade over Betts but he's still a backup

Parker (30) - like the other two ahead of him, he can't stay healthy at all

Torain (24) - played 2 games in his career, missed entire 2009 season with knee injury but if there is a sleeper in this bunch he might be it

C (Shanny has brought in alot of worn out, beat up running backs with little gas left in the tank. Poor decision not to draft a RB or add a healthy vetern. Skins would be smart in somehow trying to get Marshawn Lynch from Buffalo considering they have Jackson and Spiller)

WR:

Moss (31) - numbers greatly dropped last season, undersized and better as a #2 WR, had offseason knee surgery, still facing HGH problems?

Thomas (24) - a bust so far though some feel he could be a breakout candidate in year 3 but so far hasn't shown why anyone feels he will and still has questions to answer

Kelly (24) - another bust drafted along with Thomas and who is said to lack the motivation/confidence he needs to take the next step

Wade (29) - wouldn't be shocked if Wade starts to push Kelly or even Thomas for the #2 spot and if that happens, Skins are in big trouble

Galloway (39) - has played in 12 games the past two years scoring 0 td and a little over 200 yards

Furrey (33) - yet another vetern WR who had a few decent years in the past

Williams (29) - former Titan hasn't played since 2007 when he had 719 yards/4td...which is far better than anything Thomas/Kelly have done. Shanny seems to be living in the past alot.

Armstrong (27) - practice squad player said to have looked good in the spring. could push for a roster spot

Austin (22) - 7th rd rookie who is better suited for special teams

Hodge (23) - undrafted rookie

Banks (23) - undrafted rookie

C+ (Skins are clearly not sold on either Thomas/Kelly because their name continues to be attached to Vincent Jackson and they brought in the veterns to push the 3rd year recievers. Skins have no legit #1 WR while Moss is a #2 and Thomas/Kelly have yet to prove they are capable of being starters let alone holding down the 3rd spot)

TE:

Cooley (28) - missed 9 games last year and there are rumblings that the fan favorite could eventually be pushed out of DC by Davis

Davis (24) - could be a starter for most teams and really stepped up with Cooley out. expected to see alot more action this year

Vickers (29) - hasn't played since 2007

Paulsen (23) - undrafted rookie

A (the one area where the Skins are really solid at. McNabb has always liked throwing to the TE and Cooley/Davis could have a huge season)

FB:

Sellars (35) - former Pro Bowler on the downside of his career but guaranteed of his job

Morris (23) - undrafted rookie who Skins said will be groomed to take over for Sellars

B- (Sellars is still a solid vetern but at 35 how much does he have left and behind a questionable Skins o-line and running backs how beat up will he get)

OL:

LT T. Williams (22) - 1st rd rookie, questions about not giving 100% on every play, replaces former Pro Bowler Chris Samuels

LG Dockery (30) - decent vetern returning to the Skins after spending last 2 seasons in Buffalo. Slight upgrade to the right-side of the line

C Rabach (33) - only former returning starter from 2009 but getting older

RG Hicks (32) - Mike Williams was expected to start but he's done for the season and now Hicks, who has been a backup the past few years must start

RT Brown (29) - missed entire 2009 season however if healthy is solid add for the Skins and a huge upgrade over Heyer

T Heyer (26) - started last year but was replaced by Brown

G Rinehart (25) - drafted in 08 but has been a letdown for the team so far

G/C Montgomery (27) - got some chances to play last year due to injuries but will be a backup this year

C Lichtensteiger (25)

C/G E. Williams (24) - another player who got some playing time last year due to injuries

T Capers (25) - 7th round rookie will competing for roster spot

C/G Cook (23) - undrafted rookie

G M. Williams - former first rounder was expected to start but will miss entire 2010 season

C (the Skins o-line has improved some but not by alot. they still have too many veterns and unproven players. hard to call Trent Williams a stud or expect him and Brown to automatically improve the line. McNabb's o-line hasn't been this questionable/bad for a while and could mean trouble for him and especially the running game)

D-line:

Daniels (37) - numbers continue to drop as Daniels gets older

Kemoeatu (30) - missed entire 2009 season and hasn't played since Dec 08, comes over from Car and will be a starter for the Skins

Haynesworth (29) - fat, lazy, injury prone and being called out by teammates. Fat Albert is a joke and could hurt the chemistry of the D-line

Carriker (26) - former first rounder in 07 still hasn't lived up to hype and will be a backup for the Skins

Golston (27) - could see a bunch of playing time depending on what happens with Fat Albert

Holliday (35) - had a solid year with Denver last year but on the downside of his career

Green (31) - journeyman backup T with history of injuries

Scott (29) - backup DE who missed 12 games last year with the Vikings

Bryant (29) - DT who hasn't played since 07 and has played just 8 games in his career

C (Skins have loads of questions on the d-line, alot of age, injury prone players and of course Fat Albert. D-line could be a major problem this season and like most positions, depth should be a huge concern)

LB:

Carter (31) - coming off arguably his best season last year but starting to age

McIntosh (28) - decent starter but not great in pass coverage

Fletcher (35) - made his first Pro Bowl last season but how does he follow that up at 35?

Orakpo (24) - 3-4 D is expected to benefit him alot but still hasn't fully lived up to the hype/expectations

Alexander (27) - backup to Carter

Wilson (27) - backup to Orakpo

Blades (26) - tough kid that will again backup Fletcher

Draft (34) - played under Jim Hasslett with the Rams a few years ago but has battled injuries and doesn't have much left

Jarmon (23) - 3rd round pick in 09 but coming off broken leg that held him out of 5 games last year

Riley (22) - 4th rd rookie looking to push for backup job/roster spot

B (the linebackers have a solid mix of veterns and up and comers but you have to wonder when the veterns will start to decline especially Fletcher and Carter, who are coming off one of the best seasons of their careers)

Secondary:

Rogers (29) - said to be really happy with Hasslett and often had problems with Blache

Hall (27) - hasn't lived up to expectations/hype since leaving Atlanta and has been injury prone missing 12 games in his first two years with the team

Landry (26) - battled toe injuries during spring practices, will move back to SS this year

Doughty (28) - current starter who could be moved to SS from FS

Moore (26) - 6th rd rookie in 08 expected to get a chance to start this season at FS

Horton (26) - missed 8 games last year but split time with Doughty at FS

Buchannon (30) - vetern CB playing with his fifth team since 02 expected to backup Rogers, missed a few games last year

Tryon (26) - improved last year over rookie season and will backup Hall

Westbrook (26) - should be the only Westbrook on the Skins roster in 2010

B- (Skins have three former first rounders with Rogers/Hall/Landry but Rogers is in the final year of his contract, Hall has been injury prone and Landy is battling some recent toe problems. Secondary should be much better than it has been and maybe under Hasslett it will be)

Special Teams:

K Gano (23) - played four games as a rookie last year and only kicker Skins brought to camp

P Bidwell (34) - vetern punter replaces Hunter Smith

KR Devin Thomas - expected to be the kick returner but could find competition with Ryan Torain

PR Buchanon - expected to be first in line to replace Randle El but Moss and Hall could get a chance as well

D+ (Skins are going to rely on a unproven kicker this year and a vetern punter. Return game is also pretty questionable as well)

Alot hasn't changed from the 4 win team last year to make them drastically better or a legit playoff team or threat in the division. They are the oldest team in the NFL, they have many question marks, alot of problems with depth and way too many injury prone players. Those reasons make me believe that they will win anywhere from 6 to 9 games and most likely finish at or around .500 with 8-8 record.

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Pretty decent write-up jason. However, now i will nitpick.

-Dennis Morris is actually an H-Back type that can play FB/TE and he was our 6th round pick this year.

-Dockery plays on the left side of the line, you actually had him listed as LG so im assuming that was just a typo.

-Erik Cook on the o-line was our 7th round pick.

-I disagree with our d-line grade. I think we have a number of good but not great players there and if Haynesworth is motivated and happy i think it becomes it a pretty good d-line and we should get at least a B.

-I also disagree when you say Orakpo has not lived up to expectations so far. I think as a rookie he surpassed many expectations. Double-digit sack seasons are very rare for rookies.

-You also left out a very notable player in our secondary, last years 3rd round pick CB Kevin Barnes. I think he has starting caliber talent.

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Haynesworth is in town, in shape, and ready to play according to the media. He will play mostly at 3-4 DE and sometimes shift to NT in pass rushing situations. He said he will not be a distraction. Great news for the skins. Link

Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has reached out to the Redskins recently and assured them he won't be a distraction, several people familiar with the situation said Wednesday.

Haynesworth, who has returned to the area to prepare for the opening of training camp Thursday, is optimistic about his situation in Washington for the first time in months, said one team source who has spoken with him at length in the past few weeks.

The source said Haynesworth told him he is coming to work and understands he will have to play nose tackle at times in the Redskins' new 3-4 defense.

People in the organization have informed Haynesworth that it appears veteran nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu, who sat out the 2009 season because of an Achilles' injury, will be fully recovered to start the season. Kemoeatu, an effective player during his years with the Carolina Panthers, is a starting-caliber NFL nose when he is healthy.

The Redskins plan for Haynesworth and Kemoeatu to be on the field together often. In that scenario, Haynesworth would play defensive end, which basically is a three-technique defensive tackle in a 4-3 - Haynesworth's preferred position.

The team fined Haynesworth $10,000 for his absence from the mandatory minicamp and again for missing a scheduled physical, according to two sources familiar with the disciplinary action. The Redskins reportedly plan to try to recoup some of the $26 million in bonus money Haynesworth has received in the first 17 months of his contract (he has been paid $32 million total), but they have not done so yet.

It appears such a move is likely to fail based on the language in the collective bargaining agreement. The Redskins may prefer to avoid the potential distraction of initiating a grievance against one of its top players, as long as Haynesworth rejoins the team and does his job.

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Pretty decent write-up jason. However, now i will nitpick.

-Dennis Morris is actually an H-Back type that can play FB/TE and he was our 6th round pick this year.

-Dockery plays on the left side of the line, you actually had him listed as LG so im assuming that was just a typo.

-Erik Cook on the o-line was our 7th round pick.

-I disagree with our d-line grade. I think we have a number of good but not great players there and if Haynesworth is motivated and happy i think it becomes it a pretty good d-line and we should get at least a B.

-I also disagree when you say Orakpo has not lived up to expectations so far. I think as a rookie he surpassed many expectations. Double-digit sack seasons are very rare for rookies.

-You also left out a very notable player in our secondary, last years 3rd round pick CB Kevin Barnes. I think he has starting caliber talent.

Tried to add everyone. I heard yesterday that Morris is being groomed to replace Sellars and Vickers/Paulsen will compete for the 3rd TE spot.

D-line's problems like I mentioned are age and injuries. Your starters: Daniels is 37 years old declining, Kemoatu hasn't played 2 years and then there is Fat Albert. Hard to give that a B. Albert being motivated is like asking the Tea Party to accept Obama LOL. Haynesworth lacks motivation and is lazy. He has been like that for a while now. I think the only way he's motivated is if he's traded.

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Haynesworth is in town, in shape, and ready to play according to the media. He will play mostly at 3-4 DE and sometimes shift to NT in pass rushing situations. He said he will not be a distraction. Great news for the skins. Link

That's all good but the Skins are not cutting him any slack and Shanny wouldn't confirm Albert would be a Redskin this year. He said we will see.

Updated: July 28, 2010, 5:08 PM ET

Haynesworth to start camp as backup

ESPN.com news services

ASHBURN, Va. -- Albert Haynesworth finally showed up for work -- and quickly learned the Washington Redskins won't be cutting him any slack.

On the eve of the first day of training camp, Haynesworth ended his months-long boycott of the team by meeting Wednesday morning with coach Mike Shanahan. Hardly sympathetic to the plight of a player who recently received a $21 million bonus, the coach wasn't about to let bygones by bygones.

Shanahan said Haynesworth must pass a conditioning test in order to practice. And, assuming the test is passed, the two-time All-Pro defensive lineman with the $100 million contract won't be practicing with the starting unit, at least not right away.

"I'm expecting him to be in great shape," Shanahan said. "And if he's not in great shape, then we're going to do what we need to do to get him in shape.

"Once he gets to that point, hopefully he'll fit into our system and do the things we want him to do. Because, if he does, he can be an excellent football player for us. If not, we're going to be very good anyhow."

Asked if he expected Haynesworth to be a part of the team in 2010, Shanahan would only say: "We'll see."

"All I can do is tell you we're going to give him every opportunity to show us what we can do," the coach said. "Hopefully he'll like the position that we play him in and give us everything that he's got."

The "position that we play him in" is the main point of consternation for Haynesworth. He's unhappy with the Redskins' switch to a 3-4 defense and would rather play for another team. Shanahan was ready to grant that wish in February and March -- but the door was shut once Haynesworth collected the $21 million bonus on April 1, part of the seven-year contract he signed a year earlier. The deal is part of the enduring legacy of a decade of bad offseason signings under owner Dan Snyder.

The Washington Post, citing an unnamed team source, reported Wednesday that Haynesworth is now optimistic about his situation in Washington and understands that he sometimes will have to play nose tackle in the Redskins' new defense.

Haynesworth has been informed by the team that nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu is healthy, which will allow Haynesworth to play defensive end when both are playing on Washington's defensive line, the Post reported.

Thus Haynesworth continues to overshadow a team trying to turn a new page. By all rights, Thursday's start of training camp should be about Shanahan and new quarterback Donovan McNabb, but instead all eyes and ears will be on the disgruntled big man whom teammates called "selfish" when he skipped the mandatory minicamp last month. Even Shanahan said at the time that it was "really a shame that Albert has got so much attention for not showing up."

Shanahan said he was "very pleased" with Haynesworth's mindset during their Wednesday meeting, which perhaps could signal of change of heart.

"The conversation went well," the coach said, "and now we'll get a chance to see exactly where we're at in the near future."

Shanahan said he did not ask Haynesworth about the litany of legal issues that have surfaced and resurfaced during the offseason. Among the headlines: lawsuits by a bank over a loan repayment and by a man injured in an automobile accident, accusations from Haynesworth's ex-wife that he hasn't paid bills, and an allegation from an exotic dancer that he got her pregnant.

"I have not addressed those issues with him," Shanahan said. "He's a grown man."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

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As he should. Haynesworth needs to learn that he has to work hard. I'm glad shanny is taking this stance with him and starting him out with the 2nd team defense. Cerrato and Zorn would have just immediately put him in like nothing happened.

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Malcolm Kelly injured during "Hell Week"

Posted by Evan Silva on July 29, 2010 12:15 AM ET

It was billed as a positive when the Redskins' wide receivers all agreed to show for new quarterback Donovan McNabb's pre-training camp "Hell Week" in Arizona. The Redskins, though, emerged from the "intense series of workouts in the desert heat" with a negative.

Malcolm Kelly got hurt.

People familiar with the situation tell the Washington Post's Jason Reid that Kelly experienced tightness in his hamstring, an injury that may keep the former second-round pick from participating in the start of training camp. The Redskins will "proceed cautiously" with Kelly, who's missed 11 games combined in his first two seasons.

Though he's been a major disappointment along with fellow 2008 first-day pick Devin Thomas, Kelly's roster spot is not believed to be in jeopardy. The Redskins paid Kelly a $391,000 bonus on April 1, and his base salary is scheduled to be just $470,000.

Any missed time would give Thomas a leg up in the competition to start opposite Santana Moss, however. Veteran Joey Galloway is also in the mix.

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^^^^

yeah i seen that yesterday, no big surprise the "glass man" is hurt once again..

I believe his roster spot IS in jeopardy due to the fact that he doesn't play

special teams.

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Now Albert Haynesworth fails his physical. Good times ahead.

Jason Reid from the washington post said Haynesworth "killed it" during his conditioning test so we wont know for sure until the reports get cleared up.

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hmmm, i don't know what to make of this right now. until i get the full story i wont pass judgement.

they say he nailed the 1st part of the test but stuggled in the 2nd step. everyone said he looked in

pretty good shape, better than last year.

i wonder if the skins put him thru the ringer just to let him know whos boss?

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Word is he passed the first test, failed the second. Either way im starting to get severely pissed off right now.

As you should, Haynesworth doesn't like the 3-4 defense BUT I heard Shanny might line him up at DE so he could possibly get some 1 on 1 matchups instead of being double teamed all of the time. We'll see what happens, but so far this has been a BUST signing for the Skins.

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As you should, Haynesworth doesn't like the 3-4 defense BUT I heard Shanny might line him up at DE so he could possibly get some 1 on 1 matchups instead of being double teamed all of the time. We'll see what happens, but so far this has been a BUST signing for the Skins.

Hes not really a bust in the sense that he didnt play well. He was a difference maker on the field last year but if i could go back in time and prevent the signing i would. Its just become way too much of a headache.

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something in the back of my mind tells me the Skins may have "turned up the screws" a bit with this physical.

i've heard that they made him run three 300 yard sets, hmmmm.

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letting everyone know who's boss??

http://www.csnwashington.com/07/29/10/Sour...amp;feedID=6458

By Ryan O’Halloran

Staff writer

CSNwashington.com

A league source confirmed that Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth failed a portion of his conditioning test earlier today and will not be allowed to practice when the team hits the field for the start of training camp at 4 p.m.

The source said coach Mike Shanahan ran the test, which ended with a disagreement between Haynesworth and the Redskins about his physical condition.

Haynesworth was scheduled to run two 300-yard sets. On both sets, the source said, Haynesworth finished in enough time.

But Shanahan, according to the source, thought Haynesworth took too much time to rest between the two sets and made him run a third 300-yard set, which Haynesworth failed.

Shanahan said Wednesday that Haynesworth would not be allowed to practice until he passed the test.

Until he puts on pads for the first time, Haynesworth is eligible to be put on the physically unable to perform list.

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Hes not really a bust in the sense that he didnt play well. He was a difference maker on the field last year but if i could go back in time and prevent the signing i would. Its just become way too much of a headache.

for the $$$ he's getting and what they received from him production wise....he's a bust.

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I'll give haynesworth credit, that conditioning test sounds alot harder than the one Terrence Cody failed in Baltimore

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