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AP's knee was supposedly in really good shape except for the ACL. RG3's knee is a dog chew toy that has been abused from a month, even before this happened. I don't see how anyone can say 6-8 months. That is a joke.

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Something that could be a problem for Griffin is what Peterson did this past season. That may make Griffin push it when maybe he shouldn't and if he doesn't recover as quickly as he thinks he should, based on Peterson, he may push it even harder and wind up making it take longer.

AP is the exception not the rule. I'm sick and tired of Shanny and everyone pointing at him like looke AP did it! So you know our guy too! That's like assuming that every player that goes through the same workout as a top tier player will have the same success as the top tier player.

I mean I'm not a doctor or specialist. But your SECOND reconstructive knee surgery in 4 years on the same knee is only going to take you 6-8 months barring set backs and you expect to be ready for the first game of the season? That sounds like a reach to me.

I don't know because the past couple of days these dudes have been playing media games. They went from Shanny saying the Dr. cleared the kid to play weeks ago, to the Dr. saying he never cleared the kid to play and has been worried about him ever since (that was the first red flag).

To letting him play visibly injured, re-injure or make his injury worse to saying he just had a sprain, to saying he may have re-injured or aggravated a previous injury (ACL). To saying he needs full re-constructive surgery.

Then the whopper comes out that when he had that mild concusion - the one they let him come back THE VERY NEXT WEEK and play after. That it was more serious than reported and they are facing fines from the NFL for it?

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AP is the exception not the rule. I'm sick and tired of Shanny and everyone pointing at him like looke AP did it! So you know our guy too! That's like assuming that every player that goes through the same workout as a top tier player will have the same success as the top tier player.

I mean I'm not a doctor or specialist. But your SECOND reconstructive knee surgery in 4 years on the same knee is only going to take you 6-8 months barring set backs and you expect to be ready for the first game of the season? That sounds like a reach to me.

I don't know because the past couple of days these dudes have been playing media games. They went from Shanny saying the Dr. cleared the kid to play weeks ago, to the Dr. saying he never cleared the kid to play and has been worried about him ever since (that was the first red flag).

To letting him play visibly injured, re-injure or make his injury worse to saying he just had a sprain, to saying he may have re-injured or aggravated a previous injury (ACL). To saying he needs full re-constructive surgery.

Then the whopper comes out that when he had that mild concusion - the one they let him come back THE VERY NEXT WEEK and play after. That it was more serious than reported and they are facing fines from the NFL for it?

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That's a great point. The Redskins- let's be honest- are a joke of a franchise. It's not surprising in the slightest that they've bungled this at every imaginable turn.

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"AP's genetics were apparent in the immediate wake of the injury. He had his surgery moved up from the first week in January to December 30, six days after he tore his ligament on Christmas Eve. Afterwards, Dr. James Andrews, who performed the procedure in Birmingham, Alabama, pulled AP's father aside and told him he had never seen the interior of a knee like that. "It's like a newborn baby," the famous orthopedic surgeon marveled.

Dr. Andrews agreed to talk to me about AP's knee. "He runs good tread on it," he says in that reassuring Louisiana country doctor accent that the most famous athletes in the world pay premium to have available on speed dial. "The big problem that we have in the NFL is that they wear out the patellofemoral joint, where the kneecap glides on the end of the thigh bone. We even start seeing this in college, sometimes even in high school. That articulate cartilage wears early in them. But the inside of AP's patellofemoral joint looks like white glistening marble. When it's worn it looks like a shaggy rug. That's a problem, because when you go to rehab 'em, it propagates further wear and they break down because they already have bad surfaces.""

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"AP's genetics were apparent in the immediate wake of the injury. He had his surgery moved up from the first week in January to December 30, six days after he tore his ligament on Christmas Eve. Afterwards, Dr. James Andrews, who performed the procedure in Birmingham, Alabama, pulled AP's father aside and told him he had never seen the interior of a knee like that. "It's like a newborn baby," the famous orthopedic surgeon marveled.

Dr. Andrews agreed to talk to me about AP's knee. "He runs good tread on it," he says in that reassuring Louisiana country doctor accent that the most famous athletes in the world pay premium to have available on speed dial. "The big problem that we have in the NFL is that they wear out the patellofemoral joint, where the kneecap glides on the end of the thigh bone. We even start seeing this in college, sometimes even in high school. That articulate cartilage wears early in them. But the inside of AP's patellofemoral joint looks like white glistening marble. When it's worn it looks like a shaggy rug. That's a problem, because when you go to rehab 'em, it propagates further wear and they break down because they already have bad surfaces.""

But you know RG3 coming off of one knee surgery his knee is going to look just like APs because this is obviously the norm. /sarcasm

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LCL and ALC full reconstruction is being reported on WTEM (DC sports radio).

According to Skins fans he'll be back and better than ever for 2013. I'd be a little shook. If that was Philly they would've torn the head coaches house down. He'd need to be in the witness protection program with the way they've handled this kid this year.

Over in Redskin land everyone is just all calm and cool. Never mind they mortgaged their future drafts for the kid and its his 2nd reconstructive surgery in 4 years. Nope nothing to worry about at all.

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Skins fans are just so used to being garbage that this whole winning the division Rg3 dream will go away and they will go back to normal.

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According to Skins fans he'll be back and better than ever for 2013. I'd be a little shook. If that was Philly they would've torn the head coaches house down. He'd need to be in the witness protection program with the way they've handled this kid this year.

Over in Redskin land everyone is just all calm and cool. Never mind they mortgaged their future drafts for the kid and its his 2nd reconstructive surgery in 4 years. Nope nothing to worry about at all.

I live in Arlington, VA and I am well versed in the ostrich like behaviors of said Skins fans. If they had any intelligence, the Skins management that is, they would be shopping Orakpo right now. Jackson did a hell of a job in his place, and Orakpo could get them a couple of draft picks which they desperately need. My guess is they will do what they did with Cris Cooley and Fred Davis showed he was very good, the skins kept Cooley 2 seasons too long. They should have traded him and they should trade Orakpo now. Also, they get another 16 million cut from their cap next years, so they won't be free agent hunting too much.

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I live in Arlington, VA and I am well versed in the ostrich like behaviors of said Skins fans. If they had any intelligence, the Skins management that is, they would be shopping Orakpo right now. Jackson did a hell of a job in his place, and Orakpo could get them a couple of draft picks which they desperately need. My guess is they will do what they did with Cris Cooley and Fred Davis showed he was very good, the skins kept Cooley 2 seasons too long. They should have traded him and they should trade Orakpo now. Also, they get another 16 million cut from their cap next years, so they won't be free agent hunting too much.

Dude, teams don't just trade away draft picks for players, especially not for players with alarming injury histories. Draft picks are a very very coveted commodity in the NFL, it's hard to actually pull off a decent -player for picks- trade without being fleeced. I'd love to join you in piling on the Skins' misery as I personally dislike many things about them...but what you're suggesting is a bit too 'Madden on PS3' like. It doesn't just magically happen in real life.

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Dude, teams don't just trade away draft picks for players, especially not for players with alarming injury histories. Draft picks are a very very coveted commodity in the NFL, it's hard to actually pull off a decent -player for picks- trade without being fleeced. I'd love to join you in piling on the Skins' misery as I personally dislike many things about them...but what you're suggesting is a bit too 'Madden on PS3' like. It doesn't just magically happen in real life.

You are talking about the #6 pick just 2 years ago, he is worth at least a strong 3rd or low 2nd, thoughts?

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You are talking about the #6 pick just 2 years ago, he is worth at least a strong 3rd or low 2nd, thoughts?

You could definitely get a an early 3rd for Orakapo right now. NO QUESTION. That's not a stretch. Or even a couple later picks.

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You are talking about the #6 pick just 2 years ago, he is worth at least a strong 3rd or low 2nd, thoughts?

Orakpo? He was drafted 13th overall, not 6th. He's heading into the 5th and final year of his rookie contract, that would lessen his value. Also, hes had two surgeries the last two years one of which ended his season early, although the injuries he suffered are not severe so that can be overlooked.

Having said that, ya you can get a 3rd for him from someone solely based on talent. My initial reply to you had more to do with first or second rounders for him, which I think there is/was no way anyone would give up for him.

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Total reconstructive surgery, ACL and LCL.

RGIII is Bo Jackson 2.0

How so? I fail to see the signifigance of the comparison or any relevant analogy between the two athletes and their injuries.

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How so? I fail to see the signifigance of the comparison or any relevant analogy between the two athletes and their injuries.

He's just trying to say that RGIII's career will be cut short, not unlike Bo Jackson's. You REALLY didn't see that?

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He's just trying to say that RGIII's career will be cut short, not unlike Bo Jackson's. You REALLY didn't see that?

Nope. Totally different injury to a totally different body frame playing a different position in a totally different era of medicine. Stupid me.

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Nope. Totally different injury to a totally different body frame playing a different position in a totally different era of medicine. Stupid me.

The injuries, body frames, positions and eras of medicine don't have to be identical for you to make that kind of analogy. Kind of like saying Terrell Davis was Gale Sayers 2.0. Even though his analogy wasn't as compatible, you can clearly see what he was trying to say by realizing that RGIII and Bo Jackson have one thing in common...and that's the fact that they got injured pretty bad.

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I was just checking out extremeskins.com and they thinking RG3 will be 100% by week 1.

Did I miss something? The week started with a partial LCL. Then the MRI on the ACL wasn't clear because he had a previous reconsturction. Now he had a reconstuction of both LCL and ACL and it's somehow good news?

There's a good chance the RG3 of 2012 is gone forever, meaning the Redskins won't be running any read option any more and he'll start hook sliding as soon as he gets within 5 yards of someone. He'll become a pocket passer not by choice, but because it's the only way he can remain in the league.

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The injuries, body frames, positions and eras of medicine don't have to be identical for you to make that kind of analogy. Kind of like saying Terrell Davis was Gale Sayers 2.0. Even though his analogy wasn't as compatible, you can clearly see what he was trying to say by realizing that RGIII and Bo Jackson have one thing in common...and that's the fact that they got injured pretty bad.

Bo's injury was career ending. Period. End of story. Hip replacement surgery. Sorry that I fail to see the connection between that injury/surgery/recovery and an injury/surgery/recovery that has become commonplace in the NFL and athletes in general.

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I was just checking out extremeskins.com and they thinking RG3 will be 100% by week 1.

Did I miss something? The week started with a partial LCL. Then the MRI on the ACL wasn't clear because he had a previous reconsturction. Now he had a reconstuction of both LCL and ACL and it's somehow good news?

There's a good chance the RG3 of 2012 is gone forever, meaning the Redskins won't be running any read option any more and he'll start hook sliding as soon as he gets within 5 yards of someone. He'll become a pocket passer not by choice, but because it's the only way he can remain in the league.

F the read option, I hope is completely disappears from the league ASAP...franchises will eventually learn what a health hazard it is on their QBs. If Griffin turns strictly into a pocket passer because of his knee, then it will be a blessing in disguise.

Bo's injury was career ending. Period. End of story. Hip replacement surgery. Sorry that I fail to see the connection between that injury/surgery/recovery and an injury/surgery/recovery that has become commonplace in the NFL and athletes in general.

Again, you're talking about the specifics of the injury...that's not what we're talking about. The post that you replied to was likening Griffin to a player who lost his career because of injury, although it has a significant degree of presumption. You're digging too deep into the specifics, it's a little anal retentive.

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F the read option, I hope is completely disappears from the league ASAP...franchises will eventually learn what a health hazard it is on their QBs. If Griffin turns strictly into a pocket passer because of his knee, then it will be a blessing in disguise.

That's the catch for the Redskins. The read option was a huge part of their success in both running and passing (which is RG3).

I guess what I was saying is the read option will get him killed, but without it he won't have a 100+ passer rating or run for 815 yards/7TDs. If he had a 90 passer rating wtih 350 rushing yards is the world still enamored by RG3? Probably not.

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That's the catch for the Redskins. The read option was a huge part of their success in both running and passing (which is RG3).

I guess what I was saying is the read option will get him killed, but without it he won't have a 100+ passer rating or run for 815 yards/7TDs. If he had a 90 passer rating wtih 350 rushing yards is the world still enamored by RG3? Probably not.

They have themselves a pretty nice running game, and a talented running back. They don't need all that gimmicky ish, go back to basics. Run the ball, run play action, run bootlegs etc... go back to the offense that Shanahan used to run back in the late 90's.

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They have themselves a pretty nice running game, and a talented running back. They don't need all that gimmicky ish, go back to basics. Run the ball, run play action, run bootlegs etc... go back to the offense that Shanahan used to run back in the late 90's.

I'm pretty sure that's what they will do, but all the same the 100+ passer rating and 800+ rushing yards will probably be gone. They have created their own benchmark. Going forward if he has a 85-90 passer rating with 300-500 rushing yards each year the fan base will still say his best season was his rookie year where he ended up leaving 3 of 16 games (sat one game out).

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