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Which is why Art Briles is likely the next HC. Never coached in the NFL, been a college HC for 10 years, was coaching high school 14 years ago. Snyder will sell everyone on how he is the mentor to RGIII but he is a no-name HC that Snyder can boss around, that will have zero power.

Can't wait to hear the media eat this up, overhype it. RGIII reunited with his mentor will equal instant success. Chip Kelly never coached in the NFL and people were skeptical of him but i'm sure Briles gets a pass for no NFL on his resume.

I don't know there were reports that Briles is really happy in Texas, the guy has never even vacationed outside of Texas, and does Briles really want to set himself up for this type of potential failure? Briles to me just started gaining recognition a few years ago and if he becomes their new HC, this guy has his work cut out for him, and I'm not really sure he could come in and make that happen. I am not saying that he wouldn't be up for the challenge or he doesn't have th ability, I am just saying that with their current roster and conditions, it would take someone who is possibly more experienced.

Were talking about a football team that honestly has 5 good players (Kerrigan, Morris, RG III, Garcon and Reed)......everything else has to be built from the ground up. New offensive lineman with a new scheme, their special teams is atrocious and they have zero draft picks. They will likely lose London Fletcher and DeAngleo Hall.

So Snyder then has to ask his dumb self if he is willing to trust a new collegiate HC with tons of cap money to go out and get talent on their roster. Bruce Allen isn't a typical GM whom scouts players and knows the FA's, he just keeps an eye on the money.

Skins are really F'ed and Snyder is to blame IMO. Snyder has been the blame ever since he has owned that team.

F'em.

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I don't know there were reports that Briles is really happy in Texas, the guy has never even vacationed outside of Texas, and does Briles really want to set himself up for this type of potential failure? Briles to me just started gaining recognition a few years ago and if he becomes their new HC, this guy has his work cut out for him, and I'm not really sure he could come in and make that happen. I am not saying that he wouldn't be up for the challenge or he doesn't have th ability, I am just saying that with their current roster and conditions, it would take someone who is possibly more experienced.

Were talking about a football team that honestly has 5 good players (Kerrigan, Morris, RG III, Garcon and Reed)......everything else has to be built from the ground up. New offensive lineman with a new scheme, their special teams is atrocious and they have zero draft picks. They will likely lose London Fletcher and DeAngleo Hall.

So Snyder then has to ask his dumb self if he is willing to trust a new collegiate HC with tons of cap money to go out and get talent on their roster. Bruce Allen isn't a typical GM whom scouts players and knows the FA's, he just keeps an eye on the money.

Skins are really F'ed and Snyder is to blame IMO. Snyder has been the blame ever since he has owned that team.

F'em.

He might be happy where he is but he is 40-30 with Baylor, likely will never get a HC job again and Snyder is going to throw big money at him. Then throw in the fact that he will be reunited with RGIII and I think he takes the job. Some reports make it seem he is almost a lock to be next in line. Like the Skins might have even talked to him.

Snyder wants a guy that he can control. Who will not talk back to him so a college coach makes the most sense over Gruden, Cowher etc. He will have his guy who knows how to work with RGIII and a guy who wouldn't dare question the treatment Snyder gives RGIII like Shanny does/did. Shanny wanted to bench RGIII during the playoff game last year, RGIII refused to come out. Briles wouldn't be in that situation because he wouldn't favor Cousins over RGIII. Shanny was concerned first of RGIII's health, Snyder is concerned more about the millions RGIII brings. During their post game press conferences yesterday Shanny didn't guarantee RGIII would start next week while RGIII pretty much said he would.

I also think with the success Chip Kelly has had, more teams might go the college route especially if coming off a vet NFL head coach.

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Just an all out Cluster there in DC, not that I care but Snyder is running that organization to the ground, and all I can do is laugh.

Running? :lol:

It's all ready run into the ground. I love it.

Still pointing and laughing

My favorite CF thread; "The 20## Point and Laugh at the Redskins"

Same awesome thread, different year.

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WOW just WOW

With the stadium as empty as it was at the start of the second half, do you think that the guy who does the "pump up the crowd" music by playing his jock jams on 3rd down went home, or was trying to pump up the 3 people still there in the 4th quarter? Did the cheerleards still go out or did they say f it and start drinking and smoking in the bleachers ala "The Waterboy"?

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Bob is setting himself up for an epic failure the likes of haven't been seen since Leaf.

I for one am going to LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT.

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Bob is setting himself up for an epic failure the likes of haven't been seen since Leaf.

I for one am going to LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF IT.

It won't be like leaf. Leaf was angry with the world. RGMe is not that bad of a guy, provided you are puffing up his ego, and letting him have his way. If not, then he turns into McNabb, passive aggressive mode.

I can see RGMe pulling this out, unfortunately.

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wow Shanahan was getting GRILLED at his PC today. I feel so bad for the guy because he's a good man, and he answered pretty much all the questions with straightforward answers.

With that said, I thought that he'd be back next year, but I think Shanahan himself may step down.

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It pisses me off to no end how people constantly say Eagles fans aren't one of the top best fans.

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wow Shanahan was getting GRILLED at his PC today. I feel so bad for the guy because he's a good man, and he answered pretty much all the questions with straightforward answers.

With that said, I thought that he'd be back next year, but I think Shanahan himself may step down.

Yea but if he steps down he won't get his money right? If I am Shanny I wait until I'm fired so I still get my money.

From what I understood in his PC, Cousins will finish the season.

Not surprised at all, DC sports radio were claiming this morning that Shanny would play Cousins as a big F-You to Snyder.

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When I have time I'll look for it, but does anyone remember that article that came out about how Lil Danny Snyder landed Shanahan. It was like 2 weeks into the season and they flew his private jet to Denver and landed the deal. The entire article Lil Danny Boi was boasting about how clandestine they did it and deflected attention by claiming the plane was out on loan, thinking he was a shrewed one, but came across as a huge a-hole since he basically replaced Zorn* in the first month of his second year.

*This is an especially huge D move when you take into consideration that:

1) Zorn was never hired to be the head coach. He was hired to be the offensive coordinator by Snyder, which scared away all head coaching prospects since EVERY OTHER ORGINIZATION hires a head coach first then they choose their staff. Danny Boi f'd up, couldn't find anyone so he promoted Zorn. (ES then convinced themselves this was all part of the plan :lol: )

2) Every account of Zorn through his career is that he is one of the nicest coaches you'll ever meet. "Crunchy" was probably the most used term. For him to be screwed over by that little rat in DC like that really felt wrong.

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When I have time I'll look for it, but does anyone remember that article that came out about how Lil Danny Snyder landed Shanahan. It was like 2 weeks into the season and they flew his private jet to Denver and landed the deal. The entire article Lil Danny Boi was boasting about how clandestine they did it and deflected attention by claiming the plane was out on loan, thinking he was a shrewed one, but came across as a huge a-hole since he basically replaced Zorn* in the first month of his second year.

*This is an especially huge D move when you take into consideration that:

1) Zorn was never hired to be the head coach. He was hired to be the offensive coordinator by Snyder, which scared away all head coaching prospects since EVERY OTHER ORGINIZATION hires a head coach first then they choose their staff. Danny Boi f'd up, couldn't find anyone so he promoted Zorn. (ES then convinced themselves this was all part of the plan :lol: )

2) Every account of Zorn through his career is that he is one of the nicest coaches you'll ever meet. "Crunchy" was probably the most used term. For him to be screwed over by that little rat in DC like that really felt wrong.

I thought Shanny was hired literally hours after they fired Zorn. But Allen and Snyder did not leak details about the plane and fans were surprised how fast it came because it was like 1-2 days after the last game of the season. Which led to people believing that Snyder was talking to Shanahan 1-2 weeks before the end of the season and basically the deal was done way before the last game (while Zorn was still coach).

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Found it

:roll: :roll: Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan :roll: :roll:

Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan

By Mike Wise,September 10, 2011

On a Sunday evening nearly two years ago, Daniel Snyder hit his nadir with the Washington Redskins. Trudging down the stairwell of one of his private planes in the hangar of the Dulles Jet Center, burgundy-and-gold striped necktie askew, he mouthed an expletive passengers behind him could clearly hear. In that moment, hours after the Redskins had lost to the lowly Lions - the worst team in pro football - in Detroit, Snyder resembled less of an NFL owner than an exasperated day trader.

"He was as stressed out and lost as I'd ever seen him," said an associate of Snyder, who recounted the scene." It was the bottom for all of us, but it was mostly the bottom for him."

On the way to missing the playoffs for the eighth time in his 11 seasons as Redskins owner, Snyder retreated to the pilot's lounge inside the hangar with two of his closest advisers at the time, Dave Donovan, the team's chief operating officer, and Karl Swanson, Snyder's senior vice president of public relations. Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice president of personnel and Snyder's right-hand man, joined them after he had taken the team plane home with the players and their beleaguered coach, Jim Zorn.

While watching NBC's "Sunday Night Football" game between the Arizona Cardinals and Indianapolis Colts, the four men drank glasses of Sassicaia, a bold Tuscan red that is a Snyder favorite, those who were present said. They added that Snyder eventually graduated to Crown Royal.

Finally, Snyder turned to the others. "Let's go get Mike Shanahan," he said.

It would be more than three months before Snyder hired Shanahan, who on Sunday begins his second season as Redskins head coach. But interviews with 11 individuals in and around the franchise, each of whom spoke on condition of anonymity so as to speak more freely, reveal that his pursuit of the former Denver Broncos head coach began far earlier than even the night of Sept. 27, 2009, after the deflating loss to Detroit.

While Snyder's lengthy courtship of Shanahan has been known, many of the details of his pursuit have not. It paralleled the last year of Zorn's tumultuous two-season tenure as Redskins coach, a fact that led Snyder and his advisers to go to elaborate lengths to keep it from becoming public so as not to appear to both undermine Zorn nor scuttle their efforts to land Shanahan. Snyder declined through a spokesman to be interviewed for this story.

Within minutes of Snyder's request at the airport hangar, calls began flying back and forth between representatives of the Redskins owner and Shanahan. About two hours later, Shanahan had agreed to meet with the Redskins' brain trust - but when?

"Let's not wait for him to change his mind," Snyder said, those who were present recalled. "Let's go now."

Snyder's confidantes still marvel at the impulsive decision, yet they say it encapsulated the way in which they often did business.

"A lot of calls, a lot of booze that night," one participant said. "We were just like four college roommates drowning their sorrows with alcohol after our team lost. The difference was, one of our college buddies was the owner of the team. And he called an ex-coach to make him feel better."

Redskin One's engines purred for the second time that night. The Bombardier BD-700 Global Express XRS corporate jet, which bore the team's helmet on its tail, landed at Centennial Airport outside Denver at about 2 a.m. Mountain time, 4 a.m. back in Washington.

Bleary-eyed with maybe three hours of sleep, Snyder came down the stairwell and was greeted by Shanahan, who escorted Snyder, Cerrato, Donovan and Swanson to his waiting sedan. They drove to Shanahan's sprawling, 35,000-square-foot ranch estate about 10 miles away in Cherry Hills Village, Denver's most exclusive suburb, where one of Snyder's confidantes recalled Shanahan's hospitality.

"He said, 'If you want, I'll put you guys up in the back of the property where you can hear the coyotes howl.' "

Portis incident plays a role

The courtship between the Redskins and Shanahan actually had begun in earnest the previous January, immediately after Zorn's first season - one in which the team, after winning four of its first five games, lost six of its last eight to finish 8-8.

The reason back then had less to do with the Redskins' record than it did with Zorn's crumbling relationship with one of the players Snyder felt closest to on the team - running back Clinton Portis.

Zorn and Portis had clashed repeatedly during the season, but as the Redskins prepared to play the San Francisco 49ers on the final day of the season, Snyder received a call from Portis's agent, Drew Rosenhaus. He was told Portis would no longer play for the Redskins if Zorn wasn't fired, according to Snyder's close associates.

Zorn and Portis had exchanged words in practice that week when Portis refused Zorn's request that the running back take his hands out of his pocket during a drill.

Snyder was ticked, not just about Zorn's latest blowup with Portis but with the overall course of the season. Zorn had assured him things were improving as they sat next to each other on the team flight to San Francisco. Fed up, Snyder got off the phone call from Rosenhaus and told Cerrato: "Vinny, you handle this. Fix it. Tonight."

That night, the eve of the Redskins' final game of 2008, Cerrato summoned Zorn to a ballroom used by the team at the San Francisco Four Seasons hotel. Zorn brought Sherman Smith, his offensive coordinator and only genuine confidant on his staff. "Vinny kept telling Jim to apologize," Smith said in a telephone interview. "And Jim was like: 'For what? I just wanted him to take his hands out of his pocket.' "

When Portis joined the three later that night, no one shook hands. Zorn was dumbfounded he had been ordered to be part of a kiss-and-make-up session with a player the night before a game.

The Redskins lost the following day, 27-24.

Within about a week of the season's conclusion, Snyder began making overtures to Shanahan, who had just been fired by the Broncos.

He arranged to have his plane pick up Mike and his son, Kyle, in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, where the Shanahan family was spending its annual vacation, and bring them to Los Angeles. Snyder was in Los Angeles to attend the Golden Globe Awards, which the Snyder-owned D Clark Productions were contracted to put on.

Snyder, Cerrato and the Shanahans met at a Beverly Hills hotel for about six hours.

There is a debate between the parties over Kyle's role that day, whether or not he participated in the discussions or simply sat and watched. A person with knowledge of the trip said Kyle's original reason for accompanying his father was to see friends in Los Angeles. Kyle was under contract with the Houston Texans at the time, which brings into play NFL rules prohibiting tampering with another team's players or coaches.

No job offer was made to Shanahan, who expressed interest but was in no hurry to jump back into coaching immediately. He also would not entertain any offer until the Redskins decided whether to retain Zorn for a second season.

Zorn managed to survive that offseason largely because of an internal discussion at Redskins Park that centered on one question: What would the public reaction be if Snyder were to jettison another coach, his sixth in less than 10 seasons, not to mention one who just finished 8-8?

Said a participant in the discussion, "There was a real feeling that everyone in the media was going to say, 'There goes Dan again, firing a guy after one year.' Most of us felt the best thing to do was stick with Zorn for at least one more season. The P.R. hit was going to be too much, it was decided."

With more than a little reservation, Snyder stood pat, which he regretted within the first few weeks of the 2009 season.

A near hiring - and a hiring

The basement of Shanahan's home included a bowling alley and lounge, a poker room, a video-golf room, a racquetball court, a shuffleboard table and four bedrooms. All told, there were six fireplaces, a six-car garage, a pool, waterfall, two bridges and two guesthouses. "You'd never seen anything so big," said one of his guests, who had been to Snyder's French chateau-style estate in Potomac many times.

Before they turned in for bed, Snyder and his associates made their plight clear for almost two hours to Shanahan. The sting of the loss to the Lions was sharp, they told him. They needed help.

"We needed some individual advice on how bad this was, whether what we had was salvageable," one participant said. "Obviously we were desperate and serious enough to take a chance flying to Colorado on Redskin One the same night of the Detroit game. But did we go out there to convince Mike Shanahan to come back with us and take over as coach? I can't say that wasn't an option. But it wasn't the plan."

The next morning, everyone got up about 7:30. Peggy Shanahan, Mike's wife, went out and bought breakfast burritos for the group, one of the participants remembered.

From the beginning, Shanahan took on the role of wizened sage, distilling calm and knowledge to Snyder and his associates.

"It wasn't, 'When can you start? How much is it going to cost?' It was more, 'What do you think? Can Zorn do it? Would you do it?' " one of those present recalled.

As for the last question Shanahan was, as one of Snyder's associates put it, "enthusiastically interested but not committed."

Shanahan had major misgivings about inheriting someone else's staff in-season, telling Snyder and his inner circle that if four more weeks of losing and misery went by and the Redskins were at the bye week, he might possibly consider coaching the team after having a chance to study it on film - provided a decision was made on Zorn.

But he warned, "I don't think your results will be that much different with me this season."

The five men sent out for sandwiches at a local deli for lunch before Snyder and his party left Denver - without a new coach but armed with a well-guarded secret.

After the tail of the Redskins plane was spotted at the Denver airport, there was immediate speculation about a secret meeting between Snyder and Shanahan. The Redskins put out a story saying the plane was on loan to a private company, and that Snyder was not on it. Local media in Denver and Washington, including The Washington Post, and national media outlets bought the story - and the rumors quickly died down.

"Everybody bought it," one of the participants said. "I still remember [sports Illustrated's] Peter King calling Vinny on his cellphone, telling Vinny he knows we're in Denver. Vinny says, 'Peter, we're not in Denver. We're at Redskins Park right now. Go look in the parking lot. All our cars are there.' And I hear Peter on the other end say, 'Oh yeah, I didn't think you guys would be so [expletive] obvious.' And he hung up."

The Redskins' season did not get any better, and Snyder hired Bruce Allen as general manager in mid-December - a move that led to Cerrato's immediate termination and to Zorn's dismissal three days after New Year's.

And on Jan. 5, 2010, nearly the one-year anniversary of the meeting with Snyder in Beverly Hills, Shanahan finally stood on the dais in Ashburn. In tow was Kyle, the only coach on the Texans' staff who balked at re-signing with the club. His deal expired at the end of 2009, which contractually allowed him to become his father's offensive coordinator in Washington.

As Shanahan and Sandy Montag, his agent, were preparing to leave Snyder's house on the way to his introductory news conference, they saw an assortment of 10 burgundy-and-gold ties arrayed on a table beside the front door. Snyder explained to his new coach that not just any burgundy would do. "There's a Redskin burgundy," Snyder told him, dead serious, "and you gotta make sure it's right."

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It won't be like leaf. Leaf was angry with the world. RGMe is not that bad of a guy, provided you are puffing up his ego, and letting him have his way. If not, then he turns into McNabb, passive aggressive mode.

I can see RGMe pulling this out, unfortunately.

Stop with this. He's already miles worse than McNabb, who didn't really pull this stuff till the end of his tenure -- after, you know, he'd won some damn games.

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I really love the fact there crying right now that Cousins might start the rest of the year. How dumb are there fans that they want to see RG in meaningless games and another chance to get hurt ? Its causing a **** storm over there and If I could post Id prob get banned . There is no point in him starting , he has a chance to rest and chill out . Im still giggling while writing this otherwise id have more to type .

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interesting read at the very least

http://www.hogshaven.com/2013/12/9/5191564/must-read-mike-shanahans-brilliant-last-act-by-kc-clyburn

as always, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of shanny being a stand up guy and him being the absolute worst

That reads like some North Korea propaganda aka from the office of Little Danny Snyder

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I really love the fact there crying right now that Cousins might start the rest of the year. How dumb are there fans that they want to see RG in meaningless games and another chance to get hurt ? Its causing a **** storm over there and If I could post Id prob get banned . There is no point in him starting , he has a chance to rest and chill out . Im still giggling while writing this otherwise id have more to type .

I think a part of it is that after 13 games RGMe has the lowest total QBR (32nd) among all NFL starters and what the potential (not only fanbase) but locker room ramifications could be going forward if Cousins was to come in, play lights out and the team wins 3 straight and then Danny Boy says thanks buddy but bob's the unchallenged starter going into next season.

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Stop with this. He's already miles worse than McNabb, who didn't really pull this stuff till the end of his tenure -- after, you know, he'd won some damn games.

the comparison was to leaf. RGMe is nothing like leaf. I pointed to mcnabb's passive aggressiveness, which started well before the end. Also, I didn't say McNabb was the devil of anything, only that he had passive aggressive tendencies - which no one can deny.

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It pisses me off to no end how people constantly say Eagles fans aren't one of the top best fans.

You can't really fairly compare a picture of a 3-9 team's stadium being down 38-10 at the half to a picture of an 8-5 team's stadium when they were winning in epic fashion.

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You can't really fairly compare a picture of a 3-9 team's stadium being down 38-10 at the half to a picture of an 8-5 team's stadium when they were winning in epic fashion.

We were winning in epic fashion at halftime? I happen to remember being shut out in a blizzard and the fans still stuck around.

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We were winning in epic fashion at halftime? I happen to remember being shut out in a blizzard and the fans still stuck around.

I didn't know the picture was from halftime. And our team isn't a sinking ship like Washington is. That's all I meant.

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Remember how Shanahan was the savior and McNabb was going to be his Elway2.0?

Those were fun times.

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